I think people always forget that while Zoe is the developer of Depression Quest she is also the developer of Depression Quest, people tend to write from their own experience, most art is in some way, autobiographical and links between depression and promiscuity are well established:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/promoting-empathy-your-teen/201301/link-between-sexual-promiscuity-and-depression-in-teens
I don't think it in any way certain that Zoe's bed hopping with the guys she happened to come into contact with wasn't a symptom of her medical condition and not a cynical attempt to further own career

Good point.

the same zoe that was also responsible for many depressions herself (cough helldump cough)
be glad its not the "our side is the only right one, the other side are terrorists that support rape culture and abuse" think we have been receiving from many places including a certain V.
just like SJW adopted a herd mentality when faced with the perceived threat of a group of xenophobic misogynist shitlords.





look, i have nothing against progressive games, go make that weird ass shit.

The problem comes when you start bashing hating and censoring anything that isn't like that.

Again though, I wasn't denying the group-think on the feminist side, I was just finding Shadowstalker16's assertions that they / we have the monopoly on it, and that no group-think goes on over there, a bit short-sighted and obnoxious
Basically, I think that the internet at the start of the 21st century is one big group-think breeding ground of inter-connected echo-chambers and that I view any group on the internet that claims not to be influenced by group-think with suspicion, a group like that is in denial of it's own group-think in the majority of cases
So can we just all agree, that like most groups on the internet, we are all guilty of group-think to some degree, write the 'group-think' argument off as a non-starter and move on, please?
Ta

Are you serious?GG isn't a group; its a movement composed of people doing a small number of tweets individually; and the numbers of people doing it multiplying everything. There is no level of cohesion similar to antiGG and I think that is clear to any human to see. Check out any youtube comments on GG(I don't tweet or use social media) or any comments on any GG article and you'll see GGers arguing with eachother on what is and isn't acceptable and so on. Cohesion is relative. So I place GG in more of a lasiz faire neighborhood resident's association and AntiGG into an indoctrinated sect/ political party. You have to be blind to not see the cohesion in GG. There is no outward speaker for it, there is no leader. There is no single idea to unite or fight for. There is not a goal ever GGer aspires for. So how can you keep saying GG is groupthink?

I didn't refer to you in an insulting manner, or any SJWs; I just stated that the primary purpose they(not including you; since GOGlodytes are different :D) are on social media or the internet as a whole is to spread ideology. Gamers and GGers are not.

Finally; me on the left?? In India, I will be classed as a liberal and anticommunist. In the US and UK I'd be in the moderates group, which is shrinking day by day. Like it or not, I'm more of a pluralist and obey morality guy. There's proof in the pic.

and again the nazi references, you really seem to love em. +1 for comparing a movement against censorship and for ethics to a group that slaughtered 6 million, so fucking comparable. (real funny since SJW seem to consider gaters and men the untermensch, #killallmen right?)

The fact you think gg thinks its enemies have ies with communists shows (i'm sorry) you are completely losing touch with reality.

And for fucks sake, GG doesn't hate artsy games, it hates you people shitting on all non artsy games ( games should stop being fun -fullmcintosh)


Yes, Sargon claimed that we have reached some of our goals, which we indeed have. Watch the video and you'll understand. But I don't think you'd ever admit it.

GG is diverse too, but can you even see that?

"The diversity of feminist perspectives" here its positive
but when gamergate has diverse ideals, perspectives and goals you go "AHAHA LOOK THOSE MISOGYNIST LOSERS THEY HAVE NO COHERENCE AHAHA."

you deny there is group think within the group that blocks anyone who has anything do do with anyone within gg? That's not group think nonono.

Its the patriarchy I tell ya! They're making SJWs think they're not a cult. Damn it, if only SJ would concentrate on real problems. Now that I think of it;why are SJWs calling gamers homophobes when entire groups of countries tried to stop LGBT reps from the UN from coming to their countries? I'd think someone LIKE THE PATRIARCHY is making them think gamers saying they got a gay random map is more important than persecution of LGBT people. Damn you patriarchy! Social justice had so much potential. It could've changed the world.

PS; downrep all you want; but I didn't say the PATRIARCHY doesn't exist.

OK firstly the "Who do you even think you're talking to?" Question was literal - I wondered who you imagined I was and what my life was like as you were basically denying that anyone could be 'casually' anti-GG to someone who IS 'casually' anti-GG and spends a lot of time gaming - I didn't mean to sound like I was taking offense but, reading it back I can see why you might have thought that - sorry!

Secondly, leaving the entire argument about whether MRAs are just Feminists opposite numbers or not, now, when you say that GGers are not about spreading ideology you are denying any MRA influence on GG at all despite the fact that the Honey Badgers are hosted by 'A Voice For Men' and RoochV is behind Reaxxion. Also by saying 'Gamers and GGer' you seem to be denying that any gamers oppose GG and what it stands for, that you can't be a gamer and an anti-GG at the same time, which, again is what I believe I am

Also you are now denying the diversity within the population that opposes you - I've not really been 'out there' on twitter and the 'blogasphere' or whatever the kids are calling it these days, as I say, I'm only casually interested in all of this and it may be that the fully 'assimilated', indoctrinated voices banging on about rape culture, this rape and that rape the whole time are the loudest and most prominent but don't go making the mistake that they are the only people who oppose you

I can actually think of reasons to oppose GG that arn't even ON the feminist / MRA axis - like how about the fact that Anita is a critic delivering feminist arts critiquing on a more high-brow level than the vast majority of game journalism?
We've fully explored why the feminists are offended by attempts to silence her but what about those who want to see arts critiquing on a more high-brow level than the vast majority of game journalism be applied to games? Who see attempts to silence her as a minor crime against the arts and culture itself?

People like Charlie Brooker (it's almost embarrassing how many new reasons I keep finding to totally hero-worship that guys) who "claims that he did not graduate because his dissertation was written on video games, which was not an acceptable topic"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brooker#Early_life

Or the "Fuck you Rodger Ebert - I'm glad you're dead, you small minded prick" crowd?
http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/video-games-can-never-be-art

Hmm?

Fever, seriously, you are a piece of work...

SJWs are a fucking cult. You are with them are against them, say the wrong thing and you get thrown out of the cult. This is why having a cup of coffee with "the enemy" is a serious offense. No one can criticize the "Great Anita" or they are a misogynist. One person looking to cause trouble for a game developer, pores over a game looking for anything to call a problem and they find it, an inoffensive limerick. So all you SJW assholes need to start crying "Transphobia" and go about cancelling your pre-orders and creating a shitstorm over nothing. I've never seen a more petty bunch of immaturity. And if Obsidian does nothing, you will drag them through the mud and make sure their game gets banned for not listening to you. You are zealots. Nazis? Communists? You like to attempt to paint GG that way, but its really true of you. Have to remove "Transphobic" games for the benefit of society. Need to blocklist anyone who disagrees with the Holy SJW agenda or the Great Anita. How dare a game let a "Woman" be killed! the 90% men who can be brutalized in the same way, but killing a woman is problematic... You are fanatics. You are nutjobs.

Fever you are such a fucking distortionist. "Everyone group thinks, so you can't blame SJWs for doing it". Bullshit. You take it to an extreme. Brianna has a cup of coffee. Quick! You have to save her from being brainwashed! Can't listen to anything a "Gamergater" has to say! La la la la la la la la la la la la. Block them! Call them terrorists, KKK, ISIS, misogynists, transphobic. Tell the world how no one should listen to them. La la la la la la la la la la la la la. Cultish wackos.

If that doesn't work, attack the group for their supporters. MRA MRA MRA MRA MRA. RAPE denial. RAPE denial. RAPE denial. RAPE denial. If one person is a bad man and supports Gamergate, they are all guilty of the crime. But amazingly enough, if you support us, you can be a Nazi sympathizer like Arthur Chu who got paid using his power on Reddit by letting spam through for profit or who claimed to know a bunch of rapists in college but didn't report them because they were his friends...

But hey, support your fucking Nazi idiots if they support your Holy Cause. You are nothing but a fucking hypocrite. SJWs cherry pick to fucking hell. One MRA supports Gamergate, "See they are all misogynists!" Proof. This is why people like Vain are fucking morons.

But what it really comes down to is that Gamergate makes too much sense. You can't argue with what they say, so "Shoot the Messenger". MRA MRA MRA MRA MRA Transphobic Transphobic Transphobic Transphobic Transphobic Transphobic Misogynist Misogynist Misogynist Misogynist Misogynist Misogynist Misogynist. Patriarchy Patriarchy Patriarchy Patriarchy Patriarchy Patriarchy

You are nothing but a fucking cult...

And Anita has been discussed ad nauseum. She is not just a critic. She is not like Roger Ebert. Roger Ebert was a critic, yet even for movies he generally disliked, he was respectful. Anita is not. Games are "problematic", "misogynistic". Poor research of games she didn't even fucking play. One scene out of a whole game and she attacks the game as a whole. That is not professional critique. That is zealotry. That is having an agenda. That is not being objective.

Critics are supposed to be objective like journalists. They are supposed to point out the good and the bad. Pick and choose and help the readers/listeners better understand the true context of the work being critiqued. They are not supposed to have an agenda. They are not supposed to be pushing their agenda. As I said, a critic is supposed to do their best to be objective. In other words, find the truth in the art. That is not Anita. She is like Jack Thompson.

These are not quotes of a critic, but of an advocate...
"We need to seriously address connections between violence, sexism and toxic ideas of manhood before boys and men commit more mass shootings."

"Not a coincidence it’s always men and boys committing mass shootings. The pattern is connected to ideas of toxic masculinity in our culture."

This is "toxic femininity" . This is the bat shit crazy brigade... Critic like Roger Ebert my ass....

Of course not. Taking up that name, voluntarily, essentially means "I accept Adam Baldwin's slutshaming tweet and the 'Burgers and Fries' video it contained as the roots of my cause". I'd rather have Justin Bieber talk me through masturbation than listen to an outspoken "gamergater".

We are strongly reminded these days that gamergate started as nothing but a harrassment campaign to drive a game developer into suicide, and we become aware that the people who took up the tag back then are still, more desperately than ever before, arguing that it wasn't. Which is, I'm sad to say, far more of a dogmatic or 'cultist' stance than anything you accuse gamergate's favorite fictional enemy figure of.

Your silencing and dehumanizing strategies will rather have the opposite effect, and I'm in fact impressed by the level of insult and incoherence in your post. I generally find this rather helpful, thank you. I'll have to report you anyway for personal insults, not that it would have any kind of effect. Reminding people where gamergate came from is easy enough. Your hate is inconvenient and doesn't spur me anywhere, but I do see that opposition is still necessary, so I will of course continue to remind people on what pile of toxic waste the hashtag grew powerful.

Having the professional ties to PR that I do, I'd advise to approach a rebranding VERY SWIFTLY. Some developments these last few weeks are suggesting that the hashtag could break the movement's neck in the coming months. That pride in threatening Zoë Quinn's life for eight months... it's becoming a bit of a burden for y'all.

why do you describe the antis tactics and call them ggs?

calling us all terrorists,rapists misogynists, supporters of partner abuse, not dehumanizing at all.

Blockbots TOTALLY not silencing the other side no no no.

you just admitted you are living in an echo chamber. You will say things and then use the things YOU said as proof to verify YOUR point. You are willingly blinding yourself from the other side.
Delusional much? A few retard trolls send hate while many hate her CONFLICT OF FUCKING INTEREST, its driving people into suicide?
Zoe may always claim victimhood, don't forget she is known as abusive herself and was involved in a forum that literally WAS ABOUT BULLYING PEOPLE, a site which according to its own users actually has confirmed kills. But she has always been the sad sad victim.

or the mass doxxing your side has partaken in, and unlike people in gg, who dislike and report this (seen ggrs call for reporting twitter accounts shortly after they sent harassment) , your side praises and laudes it.

Hypocrisy at its fucking finest.

is that a threat?

are you even...Are you fucking serious...this....

you said: i refuse to listen to the other side and then go YOU MONSTERS NEVER LISTEN TO THE OTHER SIDE

and gg grew not out of toxicity from it, but from sheer toxicity AGAINST IT. Including me. i was uncertain about it, but the whole extracreditz attack on tb during his twitter break for chemo eventually brought me in.

Banning all who do not conform to exactly your lifeviews? just fine. Blocking all who even have the audacity to listen what the others have to say, you find that ok. Harassment, sabotage and hate campaigns, you seem to really appreciate them if they are against your enemies.

you know why you get downvoted? because you are toxic, refuse to listen, continuously insult everyone who does not think and do exactly, while acting as all who have different political views are nazis. All while constantly spouting hypocrisy.

one more thing: i have been following a few prime figures in gg on twitter for a while now. Barely seen any aggression by them, seen MUCH aggression towards them.

You are such a hypocrite. So someone sleeps around and gets called a slut... As I said Tiger Woods, Arnold, Bill Clinton, Jack Kennedy. Holy fucking hell. You dipshits think its okay when you do it, but since you think you are the "right" side, you feel entitled to do so.

A slut got called a slut and you call it harassment and claim it is silencing them, claim its forcing someone into suicide. What the fuck are you trying to do with Gamergate? How is your speech not "silencing" or "harassment" by your own definition? Nope SJW hypocrites. Because apparently SJWs are the only ones allowed to name call and even speak.

Fuck you! Seriously fuck you! That's fucking rich. You threatening to report me? Who is the asshole trying to silence and harass? You show your true colours. You are toxic! You are the one filled of hate. And everyone on this forum can see this from your posts.

Only to the cult of SJW does vocally disagreeing with someone equal "silencing". How dare anyone say something bad about your great Anita. How dare we "silence" her. But she is entitled to make up whatever bullshit she wants and attempt to get game content changed all she wants. You privileged asshats. Vain, you are the most stuck up idiot I have ever fucking seen.

SJW = get GTA V banned
SJW = Blocklist anyone on Twitter who is linked to two enemy accounts.
SJW = boycott a game for an inoffensive limerick
SJW = Deny the existence of minorities and women in NotYourShield
SJW = kick someone out of a convention because of their prior speech.
SJW = report others in a vain attempt to ban them from the forum after months of your own name calling.

SJW = silence and harass.

Which side is "actually" silencing and harassing? Which side is "actually" censoring and banning?

All you SJW idiots are such hypocrites...

I don't know what is it with MRAs in the west. What did they do to deserve the flak? And are anyone but the ultra fems against them? If not; I don't think they're anything to worry about. Either way, whoever was kicked out does not matter. Its the principle of the thing. No one is denying antiGG from expressing themselves; which is how it should be, because freedom of speech applies to everyone. Then you get them banning people from conventions for thinking differently. I don't know if many people know, but freedom of speech applies to any person, ANY PERSON on the planet, be it terrorists or hipsters. The fact that such basic rights can be denied by an occult group of gender freedom crusaders is hypocrisy.

Just asking; but how do you consider the stuff Anita puts out of any quality at all? She reads a pre-wtitten speech and explores nothing of what makes the game a game. Nothing about mechanics, immersion, complexity, writing, story, nothing but mere character model deep control options. What Anita is doing is taking a bear and trying to pass it along at a dog show.

Did you hit your head somewhere before typing that? I think you need to lay down for a while.