Hey, I just told them they should sue the expo!

I can't speak for the convention organizers, but I would assume people would want an environment of different ideas that can be shared and respectively challenged, otherwise how are you going to grow as a creative group and open your mind to new ideas? I wouldn't want a homogeneous group that is only there and sharing the same ideas and the same type of products. How dull and uninteresting is that?

Also, I kindly ask that you specifically point us to evidence of them causing blatant trouble. You keep making the claim, but I personally have not seen any. The only thing I have heard is them asking for permission from a panel to field a question, who then said "sure." They were also there to promote the idea of leaving creators alone. That was their goal from the very beginning, as they promote freedom of artistic expression. I would think this is something we all would strive for, yet all I can see is a certain group trying to shut down anything that does not fit with the current radical narrative.

In regards to the SPLC, until they are equal and have a page on misandry, it is hard to take them seriously. I certainly know over the course of the past year I have seen nothing but hate for the "cisgendered white man" and people wanting to wipe them from the face of the earth. I have seen my friends, who are nothing but really great guys, trashed and berated for simply being men. Funny how that works. Nobody seems to care about that. Maybe that is why some people feel the need to band together into MRA groups in trying to find balance.

What status-quo are they trying to maintain? The one where young boys are overdiagnosed with ADHD to make them behave more like girls, or the one where more women are going to college than men? Maybe they are trying to maintain the status quo of men killing themselves at higher rates than women? Or maybe they just want to keep the status quo of constant losing their children in court or maybe they want to ensure some men are forced to pay for child support when they aren't even the father? Or, most of all, maybe they want to maintain the status-quo of being disposable human beings for war.

I find all this fascinating because all anyone has to do is take off their little radical agenda goggles and see that both genders have a lot of crap to deal with, and nobody has it easy regardless of how you want to paint it. All it takes is being a human being to see this.

But that's the MRA movement all over isn't it? A lot of people don't realise that they're even a thing, those that do dismiss them as cranks out of hand. The absolute best most people ever say about them is that 'they're as bad a feminists only on the other side'
Yeah, the only people who are that concerned are the MRAs themselves and the fems they attack - because they are anti-female groups much more than they are pro-male
And, in terms of 'patriarchy' that's because men do have the advantage to such a degree the concept of MRA with genuine equality grievances is laughable in the vast majority of cases, or it would be funny if they didn't say such scary-ass extremist things so damn often
I really fear how much the whole GG fiasco and its polarising effects will swell the ranks of MRAs - #GamersGatewayToMRAExtremism!

(see what I did there?)

Patriarchy? Bullshit! You are so delusional it isn't even funny. What you believe is what is really laughable. What advantages? Name them? Can't argue with the stupid....

Patriarchy is a made up stupid word that doesn't apply to modern society except where there is a right to rule through kings and male heirs. Meaningless buzzwords does not a discussion make...

Gender Gap?

Unequal pay, glass ceilings, unequal job opportunities in many fields, despite the lower wage, societies expectation that you keep your face constantly painted (do you have any idea how much it cost to RUN a lady face?) promiscuous males hero worshiped while promiscuous females are slut shamed, here's an article from The Guardian that I haven't had teh patience to properly read myself because it's plain as the nose on yer face:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/19/observer-editorial-gender-equality-women

Because married women get the luxury of working fewer hours in exchange for staying home with the kids? The gender gap myth has been generally dispelled if one actually looks at the data. You cannot just add up how much money all women make and add up how much all men make and say they are underpaid.

No where does it say men make more money doing the same job than women because it isn't true.

Studies have shown two main reasons for the "statistical" gap. Women working less to care for children and similarly, men working more higher paid jobs which require travel away from the home and/or are more dangerous. There is a reason the average male life expectancy is a number of years shorter.

In short, women in general make less money because they chose to work less or work safer jobs with a better schedule. Period.

@Fever
Funny how all your evidence always seems to be opinion pieces by feminists.

Here's an actual analysis by credible economists breaking down the facts and figures. Using logic and not emotion.
http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

show me the studies?

if you want evidence it is in the Wikipedia article, where this is even taken in account.
"By looking at a specific and detailed sample of workers (graduates of the University of Michigan Law School) economists Robert Wood, Mary Corcoran and Paul Courant examined the wage gap while matching men and women for possible explanatory factors such as occupation, age, experience, education, time in the workforce, childcare, average hours worked, grades while in college, and other factors. After accounting for all that, women were paid 81.5% of what men "with similar demographic characteristics, family situations, work hours, and work experience" were paid.[24]"

Well *I'm* a "cisgendered white man" and I haven't felt any hate come my way except from other "cisgendered white men" like you lot when I try to point out what douchbags you are - for being pro-GG and pro-MRA, not for being "cisgendered white men" I feel the same way about the "cisgendered white women" from HBB - there equality in my douchbag shaming!

All *I've* seen in the last year is a girl dev slut-shamed, guys who can't cope with a woman critiquing gaming from a feminist perspective without sending death threats and, in the wider world, UKIP overtake the LibDems at the polls and ISIS stoning gay folk, I just don't feel like we're looking at the same world sometimes...

You are the fucking douchebag. Go fuck yourself! We present facts. You make shit up, call us all names. You are a despicable hateful person.

But let's see. A girl dev got "slut-shamed" for sleeping with 5 people while supposedly in an exclusive relationship. What horror! But men can be brought on Jerry Springer and that is just a-ok. How dare someone think its unethical to sleep around on one's boyfriend to promote her career right? Her position is not as defensible as you think.

Death threats are thrown around on both sides, but you being an ignorant fool can only see those thrown against your side. Fuck off, you one-sided ignorant fool.

UKIP vs LibDems. What the fuck does politics have anything to do with anything. Both sides lie about what the other believes but YOU know the truth of whatever side is the RIGHT one.

And name one person here supporting ISIS stoning anyone?

Strawmen, lies, distortions, guilt by association, one-sided zealotry. YOU ARE EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD. LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR AND THAT"S THE PROBLEM.

But I guess I don't know what it is being an ifiot like you. I read. I read between the lines and find the truth. You, have a side. Your side is right and everyone else is just too stupid to see it. You think you are God's gift. You are just another stupid idiot.
You are going to quote some study from 1993? 22 years ago? Exactly why one does not trust Wikipedia....

I linked it above or better yet, do some of your own damn research. Not that fucking hard to Google "gender gap myth or reality" and pick the ones that seem to come from credible sources...

Or you just want to believe your 22 year old study on Wikipedia which is well known for being edited by special interests in such matters.

You are really showing your true colors. Regarding the underlined part, I certainly hope you are speaking on a general level, because I am not that at all. I'm a woman who actually tries to look at subjects equally and not label myself into one particular group. As I said, you only have to take off the radical agenda goggles and look at this stuff as a human being to see the problems both genders face. Picking sides and shouting the other side is evil is disingenuous and contributes nothing to society. It only exacerbates the problem.

Maybe if she actually critiqued games and did not misrepresent them, this wouldn't have led to the clusterfuck we are now dealing with. Check out her Bayonetta video any time. The original one, not the one she edited after being caught for never researching or playing the game. Remember, to her, Bayonetta is a single mother.

I absolutely welcome feminists critiquing video games and discussing issues. As a girl playing games for nearly three decades, I can see where some people may have issues with certain aspects of games. Now if only we could get someone who actually critiques and thoroughly researches them, then we might be onto something. Blindly applying a list of tropes and blaming all the cisgendered white men for our troubles is asinine to say the least.

Additionally, you still have not met my request for evidence I asked for in my previous post.

I know, wouldn't it be wonderful if people got a clue that video games are such small potatoes compared to the bigger issues in the world, and actually fought for equality for real people instead of fictional characters? That would be amazing. I'd also love to see support for all the women kidnapped by Boko Harem, and the many women being forced into sex slavery by all these terrible groups.

But you know, video games and all that, clearly those take precedence for real feminists. How dare fictional characters sport pony tails or wear the color pink!

/rolleyes

wow, just wow!

Seems I finally pushed the right / wrong buttons to create a major backlash with a clear conscience (in that I wasn't just pushing buttons for the sake of it)
But for the record I was listing some situations where the lives of people other than "cisgendered white men" are getting worse over the last year - UKIP because they're racist and represent the rise of the far right and the ISIS stonings because bad things happening to gays. While I can't really think of any meaningful examples of bad things happening to "cisgendered white men" simply BECAUSE they are "cisgendered white men" - I wasn't suggesting you guys supported ISIS's stonings or anything - that wasn't my intention at all!

i listened to the horrible thing the HBB did.

they dared ask for their turn to speak, and got kicked out of the expo for having "no to censor" banners.

And then the expo called the goddam cops on them because they still held their meet and greet, except in a public park, which is legal under Canadian law.

but yes, the HBB are definitely the bad guys here. Had they been banned for a picture of anitas towerfall char, you'be crying misogyny, rape culture and apartheid level oppression of women.
But anything is fine when done against gg people right?