Posted April 12, 2015
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Brasas: As far I can understand the Indiana law is trying to protect individuals with religious beliefs from being coerced into performing actions that go against their beliefs. The examples of discussion, of which the whole pizzeria brouhaha exemplifies, had to do with catering to gay weddings, which is a cause celebre of the same groups that oppose GG, Sad Puppies etc... let's call them SJWs? I might be assuming, but let's take you as an illustrative example. We all know you consider GG to be a reactionary political group right? You seem to have similar opinion of the Sad Puppies campaign underlying motivations, yes? So here's a question, do you consider it legitimate that anyone should be able to refuse catering a gay wedding? Do you support coercing them into "tolerant" actions?
(Snipped the rest. Just wanted to respond to this one wee bit.) There is a problem with your argument.
For much the same reason as someone refusing to serve black people despite freely serving everyone else is violating civil rights.
Like, your argument of "these people are being FORCED to accept MONEY from the PUBLIC for their SERVICES" is... weak, and kind of risky.
They chose to open a business serving the public; refusing to serve a customer solely because they want a cake addressed to 'Alice & Jane' instead of 'Alice & Bob' is not only silly but rather blatant discrimination.
(A comparatively sensible person might lie, if they are in a business where they are free to make up excuses not to take on a particular client.)
Another issue with the whole 'free market' approach (in the sense that they should be free to refuse service to anyone & also accept the consequences) is that if there is only the one bakery in that area.
I mean, where else are the cute gay couples going to be getting a lovely cake from?
(Not that lovely cakes are an inherent right or anything. But it just seems so bloody daft to not do so.)
There are issues with the idea that one is always obligated to serve everyone, but... *shrugs*.
I don't see how decorating a cake or serving pizza violates some moral principle.
"THE LORD THY GOD SAYS THOU SHALT NOT PROVIDE PIZZA TO THE GAYS" doesn't ring a bell.
Thou there was a baker refused to bake a cake for the KKK because it was racist as fuck.
Funnily enough, she got told she broke the law too. Religious discrimination somehow.
The USA is pretty strange from a European perspective tbh.