3 replies and crickets from you... what a surprise... not.
Oh wait, you edited more into your post. Sneaky :) I start liking you.

Anyway interesting how some phobias and disorders are deserving of sympathy and imposing special behavior on society, whereas others are to be ostracized. Could it be rhetoric? Calling something a phobia because proving hatred is so much harder? Easier to insinuate moral differences through insults, condescension and sarcasm... clearly.

Come on mate, prove us wrong. Shouldn't be so hard to have a tolerant, rational dialogue.

Edit: You did, hurrah! Quite a wall of text though... let me see.

if it were only that simple



case: gg doesn't mind there being more diversity, what it does mind is when something has a white male protage they go SO SEXIST SO RACIST

"They're supposed to be harmless fucking fun"

according to certain people they are not. they are actually encouraging rape and abuse of women. WE say they are fun. the SJW say they are rape promotions.


The SJW are not just about " having more people enjoy games & feel comfortable playing games", if you dare be a cis white male, you have to reminded of what a shit you are and made sure to feel guilty of everything at all times.

"seriously, who the fuck goes to videogames journalism of any form for honest assessments of quality"
we would, if we could trust it

"people like you who disrespect the opinions of others, aren't worth listening to."
How deliciously ironic.

Also no, trigger warnings are not fucking stupid.
They allow individuals to determine whether they feel capable of handling whatever they are warned about.
It's generally considered impolite at the least to not warn someone of a potentially nasty surprise.

Let's take rape victims, since I know several!
If there is something with sexual assault featured or an abusive relationship, that is likely to trigger the majority of them. Especially if they are having a particularly bad day or feeling particularly vulnerable.
This includes a consuming panic and fear, heart palpitations, the desire to flee and hide and cry, and also brings back the vivid sensations of having been sexually assaulted. This can last hours or days or even multiple weeks.
Triggering (there's that word again) recurring nightmares and/or harmful 'coping' behaviours.

Now, since I'm not a massive fucking asshole, I'm of the opinion one should not mock the idea that we should be considerate of others and avoid unnecessarily hurting people.
So yeah. You're damn right I'm violent towards those that would. They are scum.

Oh, & considering my best friend is currently being treated for PTSD by a psychologist that refers to things as 'triggers' and is a specialist in PTSD (as well as general anxiety disorders & Dissociative Identity Disorder) and has been in the field for multiple decades... yeah, no, people with no experience and no understanding of:
what trigger terminology means, how it is used, and how it is a tool that actually helps people progress through trauma and avoid crashing into an absolutely horrific experience do not get to decide whether it is valid or not.
The people living with that shit do. The medical professionals (if they are in that field & know their shit) do.
You don't. You definitely don't, because if you did have even the most basic comprehension then you wouldn't disregard them and try to say they are "stupid".

(If the general population sincerely believes trigger warnings are stupid and being triggered is a joke, then yes I do believe myself morally superior. I would be. Ignorance like that is wilful, disgusting, and absolutely a moral and ethical failure.)
Yo.
"supposed to be" does not mean "are".

Also, uh, do you go to other forms of journalism for the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Because oh boy do I have news for you if you do.

Also yeah, uh.. if someone says "What you said/did is [discriminatory fuckery of some form]" then maybe you should like.. listen.
Actually listen, try thinking, possibly discuss why they feel that way & what caused them to think that, & if you still don't believe they have a point then check your thinking again just to be sure... and calmly disregard it.
If they do have a point, listen to them further & take steps to correct the behaviour in the future at least. Maybe apologise.
(Why do people act like their "FREEDOM" overrules not being a fucking asshole?)

How about reading your own post and putting into action your own words.
For example:
"Quit pissing and moaning and getting so damn OFFENDED"
"TRY NOT TO BE A FUCKIN' DICK ABOUT IT"

Two areas where you completely failed...

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As to diversity in games, your side is the one trying to make them less diverse through bans and censoring...
Maybe you can explain to me how your stupid shitstorm and censorship creates more diversity...

Ok, long but nice. A bit emotional, but that's perfectly fine.

One question, it seems from that, you see ethics as relative, ergo the actions of the journalists are excused by their unprivileged circumstances. Is that a fair representation of your point?

Hey, I'm not of the mind that people shouldn't be offended by some things.
However I am of the opinion that becoming offended by the fact other people find something offensive is fuckin' silly.
Which is what I've seen happen (within this very thread) from those so rabidly opposed to the "SJW agenda".

We are each a work in progress, man.
Also if people are being assholes then it becomes practically obligatory to be a dick.
If you're actually willing to engage then sure we can talk videogames and ethics and stuff.
(Also I don't actually advocate censorship. I just want more stuff, and for stories to not be so palpably ridiculous. ie: EVERYONE IS WHITE, EVERYONE IS HETEROSEXUAL. etc. Like, it's just BORING.
Even before the whole perspective of "that's a lot of people not really getting to see themselves anywhere in these stories" thing, I was fucking bored of that shit. Can we not do something different? Something clever?
If they were good stories, they'd have the representation & diversity already because that's what life is like & they'd be a more believable world for it.
OR they could go the route they're going now but play it off as some weird/awful dystopia or something. Something somehow left only the white people alive, and some kind of retrovirus destroyed all traces of the gay gene. Until ONE MAN arose with a mutation and craved him some dick.)

Anyways.
Counterpoint: Censorship is in fact not the end of the world.
People do it often, generally.
Because they value some things more highly than going with whatever the original concept was.
Like, say, not hurting others. Or making things more interesting instead of going the 'easy' shockbait route.

Ehh, somewhat.
Not everything is relative, but I would definitely consider the balance of power to be key to determining 'degree' of wrongfulness.
Like, yeah they shouldn't be accepting the bribes... but if I needed money (which I do) to provide for friends and the like (which I do) then if the amount was right...
(& the action involved wasn't something like.. ethically monstrous. Say "tell people a game is good when it's bad" rather than "slaughter a dozen nuns".)
So the people with the money are probably kinda the ones to blame.
... which is why I'm kinda confused as to why people went after the journalism outlets instead of.. say.. the people/companies giving out bribes and doing coercive shit.

Also yeah, I prefer 'raw' writing. I can do the blank formulaic academic thing but it's so fucking boring and not terribly human. I prefer people to display expression in writing, so I do.

Ahhh, the classic "it's not my job to educate you" card. Let me tell you something: if you make a claim you have to back it up. And no, quoting someone who agrees with you is not proof. By that logic I could proof that jews are working on destroying the world, because Hitler said so (yes, yes, Godwin's Law). See how that works? You have to prove your point with actual arguments.

And yes, trigger-warings are BS. PTSD is something people get from seeing their family burn alive in a fire or torn apart by a grenade. Not something you get from reading a limerick in a video game. Feeling sad is not the same as getting triggered.

In order to soften the frontier here:
I'm actually all for trigger warnings if they result in less censorship because people know in advance what to expect.

Associating the male's prime sex organ this way is utterly sexist and offending me. Yes, I'm actually serious.

Haha no.

Also yeah, I don't necessarily think 'trigger warnings' should be everywhere except for the obvious serious ones like rape or graphic injury/death.
(Which do tend to exist. "Viewer Discretion Is Advised" etc.)
Unfortunately such information isn't necessarily provided alongside videogames, & I also don't think it's the sort of topic that should just be thrown out there without some form of warning.

Given that almost anything can be a trigger, it's impossible to cover everything without knowing everyone involved.
But one can at least be considerate and:
1.) Warn for the heavy stuff.
2.) Try to not be a dick if something causes someone to be uncomfortable/upset.
Referring to a penis as 'male' is pretty... dickish of you.
(What particular association is offensive to you though?)

Also yeah, generally trigger warnings do avoid censorship. If you can warn people of content, they know to avoid it if they don't like it.
(Although I'd also understand if someone wanted to try and destroy something that sincerely promoted abuse of others or something. If a creator makes an awful awful world full of shitty things but has clearly stated that those things are fucked up and the setting is a shitty shitty place then fair enough. It's the "I actually believe this shit is harmless" thing that gets people riled, I think.)

Last one tonight ;)

In this case I don't see economical motives. A lot of the bias is ideological... hence no follow the money, just follow the politics, etc...

I see your point. You do realize however there are many people for whom the rule is the rule in black n white? That's perfectly logical, and there's no easy way to determine which ethic is better? (yours is kind of utilitarian, the one I'm describing is termed deontological)

Ah I see, another one of those social study hipsters that try to force their new (bollocks) gender definitions onto everyone.
Thanks for the example of how much you care for offending others though, that's an excellent piece of bigotry there.

And no, referring to a penis as male and a vagina as female is simply realistic and biologically correct, it doesn't matter what the hipsters and their trends say. This is only my humble opinion of course, think whatever bs you want.

we are going into a world of overcaressing.

like someone said: these people are so left, they have become right.

"Also I don't actually advocate censorship. I just want more stuff, and for stories to not be so palpably ridiculous. ie: EVERYONE IS WHITE, EVERYONE IS HETEROSEXUAL. etc. Like, it's just BORING. "

and if your games dares be like that, expect to be crucified by SJW.

And if you get PTSD because someone on the internet told you you were wrong, i'm sorry, that is NOT PTSD.


also, if you dare go against any SJW, there cannot be conversation as they block everyone who disagrees

So one might ostensibly be triggered from knowing people that have been assaulted or killed in much the same circumstances as the shitty poem describes?
(It's not a fucking limerick. It doesn't even flow properly. It's just shit.)
Say I am trans.
Say I repeatedly have people telling me that my gender was invalid that my genitals were "mutilated".
Say those people think it's funny to joke about trans women in particular being "really a man".
Say women in those circumstances have been killed at an alarming rate.
Say even women who've had surgery and are on hormones and pass perfectly (not that 'passing' should be a requisite for not being fucking murdered) are still in incredible danger from those that make those kinds of jokes.

Like, the idea that sleeping with a woman that is trans is somehow worth killing/dying over is just... what?

That's what that poem represents.
It's the idea that somehow trans women aren't really women.
That somehow it's okay to 'joke' about something that has gotten people killed.

So say those things are true.
And I find something in a videogame that I want to love & have found enjoyable so far that brings back abuse I've suffered and abuse of people like me.
... I think it's kinda reasonable if that upsets me in those circumstances, don't you?
That raising it as an issue with the creator and saying ".. yeah, this.. kinda hurts? Why is it in there? Wtf, people?" is pretty damn fair.

Now, the original intention of the backer was to highlight how insecure the dead guy was in his masculinity & his heterosexuality.
Except the way he did it happened to fall into some unfortunate tropes and reinforce some transphobic rhetoric.
.. he didn't handle it as well as he could've, but he certainly handled it a whole lot better than a lot of the people defending it.

So yeah. People are just... assholes.
Hell, the Obsidian & Steam forums were full of blatant outright transphobic fuckery being thrown about.
There were very few just going "Ugh, censorship" because tbh it was one bloody grave marker with no bearing on actual plot or anything else. Instead it was hateful vitriol mixed with frothing rants about SJWs and.. oh, "queers".
Oh god.
Oh dear.
Ah dear oh dear.

Factoid One:
Sex is a spectrum.
'Male' and 'Female' become rather arbitrary, and fertile XY women exist.

Factoid Zwei:
If a dude has it, it's male. If a woman has it, it's female.
Tada, gender.

Factoid Tres:
This shit ain't 'hipster'. Aren't they supposed to value nostalgia and retro-ness?
In that case you (with your archaic assumptions of binary sex and gender) are actually being the hipster in this instance.

Factoid IV:
You're actually just being a cissexist transphobic intersex-ignoring ass.