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Posted March 25, 2015
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RWarehall: Attacking the messenger without addressing the message shows just how fucking wacko you are....
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Fever_Discordia: That's not wacko - that's human
If Justin Beiber had an important message for me about the environment, I wouldn't listen because he's Justin fucking Beiber!
I would listen and would be glad if he would actually have done his homework for once.
I even uprepped your downvoted posts although we didn't agree in those, because I think you have good intentions (but just another base of information), not like this other guy here who again picked the one link from someone he doesn't like and discredits the whole article without any argument while making the rest disappear in his quote so he can attack again without any distractions.
(I only know this one article on reaxxion tbh and my opinion on one article isn't changed by others on the same site.)
This guy is simply destructive and the reason for dozens of lost rep (not only mine) in this thread for sure, he(?)/she/whatever would do anything to try to silence his opposition, because he doesn't mean well, he just means war, even in such a petty topic.
Post edited March 25, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted March 25, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: That's not wacko - that's human
If Justin Beiber had an important message for me about the environment, I wouldn't listen because he's Justin fucking Beiber!
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Klumpen0815: I would listen and would be glad if he would actually have done his homework for once.
better to analyse every individual post case by case.

(hell, i even praised brianna wu for showing some openness recently by talking to Brad and feline freq without attacking them. Brianna f-ing wu!)
Post edited March 25, 2015 by dragonbeast
Posted March 25, 2015
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dragonbeast: better to analyse every individual post case by case.

(hell, i even praised brianna wu for showing some openness recently by talking to Brad and feline freq without attacking them. Brianna f-ing wu!)
Yeah, it warmed my heart to see how positive everyone on the #gg side took the sudden peaceful approach of Brianna Wu, one of their arch enemies. It was quite sad to see how the other side reacted of course, but whatever...
Post edited March 25, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted March 25, 2015
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Klumpen0815: Yeah, it warmed my heart to see how positive everyone on the #gg side took the sudden peaceful approach of Brianna Wu, one of their arch enemies.
Oh right, you mean this heart warming, positive reaction from "everyone"?
Please stop showing that picture of that ugly man. My dog gets frightened every time she sees it and I am having difficulty keeping her away from the computer long enough to read these articles.
My Pitt Bull is getting PTSD every time she glimpses that abomination. I can at least understand what I am seeing and try to interpret it with some twisted logic... My dog does not have this ability to understand and she is being harmed at the core of her very soul.
Yeah Wu looks very distressing in landscape.
The problem is that Mr. Wu has nothing to do with Gamergate. Last I checked, he's a "developer", not a journalist. All he has to do is stop trying to associate himself with it for personal gain and focus on making games.
If anything, that is a good thing. Their actions show that Anti-GG people will toss all of their little approved victims under the bus for essentially fucking nothing. The more toxic their side of the fence appears to be, the less interested future Brianna Wu's will be in actually whoring themselves out to them.
Having a "civil discussion" doesn't mean much when it's a controlled environment and you've quarantined any areas of substantive disagreement. That's just baseline normal behavior. Brianna is still the zealot and self-promoter she always was. If the conversation had involved anything related to #GamerGate it would have been just as ugly as her past behavior.
Brian Wu is not a woman. He's a fucking gross dude with makeup and long hair; that does NOT make you a biological female.
He's not even passable as a drag queen.
Never trust a SJW
mmmm... burn tranny burn.
There's no talk with a rabid dog!
etc.
Posted March 26, 2015
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soxy_lady: mate youve got the wrong comment mixed up there somehow Im not calling anyone a nut job 'k?
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how did you manage to fuck up that I dont know
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Klumpen0815: Calm down and I explain it to you.

It's in the code. If I post:

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It's automatically showing you as the author.

If I post
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It's showing the author of post 2346 (which is Fever_Discordia) as the author.

Relating to a post quoted in another post often creates some chaos here and I just didn't check the numbers.
Now clear how "I managed to fuck that up"?

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Gersen: I totally disagree and I think it's a rather dangerous and counter productive opinion to have that does nothing but fueling extremists on both side.

The needle position is totally irrelevant, inequalities are inequalities regardless on how often they happens and who they might concern. Discriminating somebody because she is a female is unacceptable... but discriminating somebody because he is a male is equally unacceptable and should be thought against with the same strength. And the same is true with racism and others the 'ism or 'phobe, regardless of all the "privileged theories" that some might have.
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Klumpen0815: I agree with Gersen.
This "needle talk" is utter bullshit. If there is sexism in a society it's never all against one specific gender, it all completely depends on the case and saying that men can be discriminated as long as women are discriminated in other completely unrelated topics and parts of society is really dangerous and is working against any form of gender equality.

Fever_discordia, you strongly implied, that sexism against men is totally fine with you as long as you think women are discriminated more often anywhere, this is not only debatable but completely unjust in any case.

Gender discrimination is wrong, no matter what.
This is my opinion and ironically the one that most often collides with neo-feminists.
im calm im down

im kinda over it now but...

tnanks for the mansplanations (jk) ;P

i guess it just shows you shouldna play with ya code!! :-O
Posted March 26, 2015
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Klumpen0815: Stuff like this should be able to let you start thinking:

[links to reaxxion removed]

Seriously, stop being lazy and just believing the loud haters.
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Vainamoinen: Linking to reaxxion in order to demonstrate how gamergate isn't a vile hate movement is like taking a shit in order to disprove the existence of the human digestive system.
no offence but...

youre in forum hell

just curious why do you do it
Posted March 26, 2015
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Klumpen0815: Yeah, it warmed my heart to see how positive everyone on the #gg side took the sudden peaceful approach of Brianna Wu, one of their arch enemies.
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Vainamoinen: Oh right, you mean this heart warming, positive reaction from "everyone"?

Please stop showing that picture of that ugly man. My dog gets frightened every time she sees it and I am having difficulty keeping her away from the computer long enough to read these articles.
My Pitt Bull is getting PTSD every time she glimpses that abomination. I can at least understand what I am seeing and try to interpret it with some twisted logic... My dog does not have this ability to understand and she is being harmed at the core of her very soul.
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Vainamoinen:

Yeah Wu looks very distressing in landscape.
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Vainamoinen:

The problem is that Mr. Wu has nothing to do with Gamergate. Last I checked, he's a "developer", not a journalist. All he has to do is stop trying to associate himself with it for personal gain and focus on making games.
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Vainamoinen:

If anything, that is a good thing. Their actions show that Anti-GG people will toss all of their little approved victims under the bus for essentially fucking nothing. The more toxic their side of the fence appears to be, the less interested future Brianna Wu's will be in actually whoring themselves out to them.
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Vainamoinen:

Having a "civil discussion" doesn't mean much when it's a controlled environment and you've quarantined any areas of substantive disagreement. That's just baseline normal behavior. Brianna is still the zealot and self-promoter she always was. If the conversation had involved anything related to #GamerGate it would have been just as ugly as her past behavior.
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Vainamoinen:

Brian Wu is not a woman. He's a fucking gross dude with makeup and long hair; that does NOT make you a biological female.
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Vainamoinen:

He's not even passable as a drag queen.
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Vainamoinen:

Never trust a SJW
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Vainamoinen:

mmmm... burn tranny burn.
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Vainamoinen:

There's no talk with a rabid dog!
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Vainamoinen: etc.
I'd be more questioning of bad comments on a person's appearance when she is confirmed to have accidentally started a thread on her game's greenlight page she intended to create with another account to bash herself and cry hate. And people in general are transphobic. You're being led to believe its only people who play games who are like that.
Posted March 26, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: I'd be more questioning of bad comments on a person's appearance when she is confirmed to have accidentally started a thread on her game's greenlight page she intended to create with another account to bash herself and cry hate. And people in general are transphobic. You're being led to believe its only people who play games who are like that.
How fitting. Vaina posted a lot of supposed quotes from random accounts on the internet without any mention of the sources whatsoever in which (apart from the usual internet trolling) it is stated, that Wu is dishonest for calling himself a woman and then you post about an accidentally proven dishonest action to be a professional victim at Greenlight. Care to link some source?
Post edited March 26, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted March 26, 2015
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Klumpen0815: Care to link some source?
Fresh from the horse's mouth:
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/911071-gamergate
Posted March 26, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: I'd be more questioning of bad comments on a person's appearance when she is confirmed to have accidentally started a thread on her game's greenlight page she intended to create with another account to bash herself and cry hate. And people in general are transphobic. You're being led to believe its only people who play games who are like that.
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Klumpen0815: How fitting. Vaina posted a lot of supposed quotes from random accounts on the internet without any mention of the sources whatsoever in which (apart from the usual internet trolling) it is stated, that Wu is dishonest for calling himself a woman and then you post about an accidentally proven dishonest action to be a professional victim at Greenlight. Care to link some source?
You're absolutely right. Here's solid proof (its an image; not an article; so don't be afraid to click the reaxxion link) : http://www.reaxxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/B9XBXrBCEAAIxhj.jpg
Better yet; archive: https://archive.today/t1Oxl
Post edited March 26, 2015 by Shadowstalker16
Posted March 26, 2015
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Klumpen0815: How fitting. Vaina posted a lot of supposed quotes from random accounts on the internet without any mention of the sources whatsoever
Forum wouldn't take my edits. You can find ALL THOSE those specific quotes under the respective reaxxion WaWu meetup article, linked by yourself earlier. Please understand that I won’t link to extremely prominent gamergate hate outlets, simple googling will suffice.

And however violent downvotes for simple truth get on this forum, this is the reaction you easily find on every gamergate news outlet.

Here's a really small sample from the comments on the WaWu meetup article from the Ralph Retort site, demonstrating again how positive everyone on the #gg side took the sudden peaceful approach of Brianna Wu.

Everyone, mind you. Everyone.
I don't give a FUCK about Wu. You shouldn't either. Sit back and watch this madness happen to her, she deserves every fucking moment of it. She is not a martyr. She is not a decent human being. She's a fucking lying narcissist who has and WILL turn on anyone if she feels she can make money. You've seen it happen over and over again, don't forget it.
I don't give a fuck about Wu. I'm pretty sure I was just laughing at her misfortune. It's always good to put it out there again, though lol. [account “TheRalphRetort.com”]
He. He is not a martyr. He's an imposter.
How blind, deaf, and dumb does someone have to be to fail to see how self destructive and cannibalistic SJWs, the 21st century left wing collectivists, are towards their own? How twisted and cloistered must a mind be to fail to recognize the inherent wickedness of anyone who adheres to the philosophic concept of White Man's Burden?
Wu can't go against aggros because it would contradict the narrative. Dipshit painted himself into a corner after setting fired to multiple bridges. Fucking brilliant, moron, you just hosed yourself.
the only ones that would still be listening to this fucking retard would have to be dumber than common dryer lint.
Aspergery Tranny is Aspergery, that's how.
Mercedes has Aspergers. Wu has Stupid.
I have little respect for Wu, I don't like her as a person, I don't like her game, I don't like seeing her face.
Well as Wu exposed herself as an ideologue, she pretty much also revealed herself to be an exploitative if delusional opportunist.
The most fascinating revelation in this for me is they have EXACTLY THE SAME OPINION of Wu as us - she's a narcissist, an opportunist and her game looks goddamn awful.They only tolerated her because she was useful to them.
Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake; it's impolite.
If some of you are thinking of feeling bad for her, remember this is fuking WU we're talking about here, the same person who's been profiting off of harassment that she blames gamergate for since the very beginning, accused gamergate for making threats of gassing pax by showing the threat that was made toward US by an antigg, lied about being force out of her home, accused us for harassing her when her dog was sick, and a bunch of other shit.
Frankly, this rhetoric about wanting us to see her as human is bullshit. I see her as human, that's not the problem, what I don't see her as is a sane, healthy adult.
Here is how it works people. Brianna is a monster. No ifs or buts, a monster.
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I could go on for a dozen pages with that stuff. There’s no end and no moderation.

Seeing all that peaceful positivity, oh em gee. I think I have something in my eye.
Posted March 26, 2015
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Vainamoinen: Everyone, mind you. Everyone.
I do agree that saying "everyone" is silly as it's extremely unlikely that "everyone" in a specific group will share the same opinions and have the same behavior.

But I couldn't help but smile at the wonderful hypocrisy of having you, out of all people, making this kind of remarks. :)
Posted March 26, 2015
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RWarehall: You are the one claiming first-hand accounts of Elizabeth Fogerty aren't "objective facts" and comparing MRAs to ISIS and Al-Qaeda and serial killers while proclaiming women's rights advocates in the form of SJWs as mostly right.

As I said before, it is wrong to shoot the messenger without addressing the message, yet it seems your best arguments are to paint anything said by anyone you oppose in one broad stroke. Don't address them, just compare them to MRA's rapists, serial killers, etc. Ball them up in one big ball and call it misogyny.

Frankly, this whole serial killer issue is completely off-topic, so is ISIS and Islam. You only bring it up to confuse and distract from the real issues just like many other anti-GG brethren. Of course the reason you do is because most of your arguments have no leg to stand upon, so distraction is the only answer that works for you.
Well firstly of course I don't believe that the first-hand accounts of Elizabeth Fogerty are objective facts because ALL first-hand accounts, almost by their very definition, are not objective - they are a testimony from one perspective through one set of subjective human eye

I found this on wikipedia about subjective reality:
"Subjective experience can involve a state of individual subjectivity, perception on which one builds one's own state of reality; a reality based on one’s interaction with one's environment. The subjective experience depends on one’s individual ability to process data, to store and internalize it. For example: our senses collect data, which we then process according to biological programming (genetics), neurological network-relationships and other variables such as relativity etc., all of which affect our individual experience of any given situation in such a way as to render it subjective"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience#Subjective

And *I* didn't bring up anything Tza brought up Elliot Rodger here
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post2453
because he didn't like that Anita had tweeted that there must be something fundamentally wrong with the way that masculinity is expressed in our society that makes this sort of thing happen
It's not that I can't see why she got some people's backs up by saying that but it seemed a little one sided to not remind everyone of the sheer scale of the misogynistic hate, not just from Rodger himself but from some of the Incels who backed him and blamed society for his deeds that she was saying it in the face of.

While dragonbeast brought up IS and Al-Queda here:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post2461
Saying that ooh - you'd blame masculinity for Rodger but you wouldn't blame Islam for IS
And I said, coincidentally that, reading that Incel extremist's rant it did remind me of something a 'Radicalised' Muslim would post right before shipping off to Syria to sign up and help create the society of his wet dreams, so there's a 'masculinity' angle to ISIS too

But you're right in that I am allowing others to lead me Off Topic, I kind of lost sense of where I found myself trying to lead the thread and why, myself to be honest! So sorry about that at least!

I never meant to do any 'taring everyone with the same brush' type business though, and having had the accusation made against me I will take any further cries against anyone else with an even bigger pinch of salt than before...
Post edited March 26, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
Posted March 26, 2015
Everyone who COMMENTED. And again; when is this a gamergate issue? Do you think people who watch 5 movies a week are any different? AND keep in mind a fair percentage of those guys are probably Wu with smurf accounts.
Posted March 26, 2015
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Vainamoinen:
let me tell you something out of personal experience.
Insults from your enemies are something you can expect at every turn and frankly, it doesn't hit that hard. When the insults come from your allies and "buddies" however, every hit will feel like a mike tyson punch.

I can absolutely guarantee you that.

"a hundred insults or punches from your enemies will never hurt as much as a single one from your friends."

It was to be expected some in gg would react negatively vs Wu. She is on the opposing team after all. She claimed we would gas pax and poisoned her dog and painted GG like HellSpawn, so i'm not surprised people within gg carry a grudge against her. And in general, I've not seen that destructive attacks on the concept of her meetup with Wa. At the same time i've also seen the meeting recieved as something positive. And notice that on the feline frequency comment, no gg acted harmful, yet one SJW was beginning its attack.

Notice how noone is screaming horrible insults at Brad, our side, for meeting with Wu.

Yet the antigg have done a MASSIVE attack on Wu, their representative. and these people were not her enemies, these were her allies. In a war you can expect the enemy to shoot at you, but you won't expect your own platoon to open fire on you.
And I've seen some downright horrible things said by her allies.

i'm fairly certain there were a lot of hate posts vs Brad on the antis side too, just like anti wu on the pro end. But gg did not condemn the idea of meeting with the enemy. The antis destroyed the idea.
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