Oh, the tool is certainly misunderstood right now. The autoblocker is not useful for "anti-gamergate" people.

It's for people who would like to give a shit about gamergate, which means giving a shit about BOTH SIDES or rather "all sides" of the controversy.

Y'know, it's for the 'actually neutral'. ;)

So there are prominent 'anti-gg' names on the block list as well as the pro ones then?

Good question there +1

i will do a wild guess and say probably no. Not since it is designed by a prominent anti gg. Hell if sargon of akkad made an autoblocker i'd doubt it would block out TB or mundanematt

What I do find very ironic is that anti gg claims we refuse all talk and reasonable discussion, while they attack all of their own who do (aint that right wuwu?) and then produce a tool to cover their ears and go LALALALACANTHEARYOULALALA

Its proof that is their greatest enemy. They can't face it. So they autoblock it.

just a word of advice. Passive agressive semi-attacking (or full on attacking) post are not going to help you know. I think that was made clear by the "gamers are dead and this is a good thing" articles backlash.

Indirectly you have just called the majority of people here against evidence, against proof, not wise steps should one wish to avoid being disliked.





Ah, the gamers are dead articles. The biggest fuck up by the media in the all of the GG events.

I think the world is about to end. This time I actually agree with you. At least with regards to the autoblocker, not your usual random attack on gg.

1) Given how many women are beaten to death or hospitalization by partners every year, I can't see how banning a specific depiction of that can be BS. If you're arguing for straight-up artistic freedom that's one thing, but there is no way to deny that the people against GTA have legitimate arguments. It's just a question of whether people should be free to depict anything they want or not, and each group of people will have a different answer for that question.

2) Yeah, the Duke lacrosse team got treated terribly. Better investigative standards are needed - right now we have the double problem of media being able to whip people into a frenzy over unproven accusations and rape kits not even being tested so that crimes aren't even investigated. Better policing and reporting needed all around, but I haven't heard any MRAs pushing for that.

3) That was the gay rights lobby, not feminists. Not the same groups - there's overlap, but equating them is like equating PETA with ACLU. Traditional allies but not the same.

Re: Activists, I think we basically agree. People screaming online != activism, people actively trying to better others' lives == activism.

I have seen feminists working to better others. I haven't seen any GG, MRA, etc working for that. They seem just concerned about making the world conform to their preferences and silencing disagreement.

http://prospect.org/article/white-hot-rage has a good summary of what I've seen:

Though nearly as virulent in their hatred as the white supremacists, the men’s rights activists don’t seem to feel the same sense of economic dispossession. Many are young, in college or in their twenties, and (at least in my own encounters with them) they seem to be heavily concentrated in male-dominated science, technology, engineering, or math fields. They are, in other words, some of the men least affected by the so-called “end of men” that you can find.

What they are reacting to, I think, is more of a cultural dethroning of male entitlement. Over the last several decades, largely as a result of feminist activism, we’ve seen a dramatic change in attitudes toward and laws about date rape, sexual harassment, and domestic violence. We’ve also, not coincidentally, seen significant drops in all of these things. But what these changes have meant is a curtailment of certain kinds of male behavior that used to be considered normal. Men have to think twice before making crude sexual jokes in front of female coworkers; they can’t take advantage of women incapacitated by drink and pretend they don’t know it was rape. And all this makes some men furious.

I... may have gotten a little bit carried away and some of my questions were maybe less rhetorical than they appeared - if Return of Kings isn't a good and fair representation of the MRA movement, could anyone tell me which one is? What's the most 'respectable' that most fairly represents it?

To tell you the truth, I did some digging and it turns out that Rooch is also a Pick Up Artist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosh_V
http://realorsatire.com/returnofkings-com/

and then, coupled with RoK's 'about' blurb I suddenly realised who I was reminded of in all of this - Tom Cruise's character in Magnolia!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbanWHx5AFQ

I'm not even sure RoK IS a MRA site now and not just a 'how to' guide for letchy, rapey, 'playas' by guys called 'Chad' for guys called 'Chad'!

On the other hand, bringing PUAs (because Pick Up Artists get their own TLA, apparently) to the party made me realise that those feminist extremists who label kids 'stare rapers' are doing even more harm - I genuinely believe that many of them, with their staring, wolf whistling etc. are just kid who have maybe not grown up around many girls and just lack the social skills to know how to talk to them properly.
At this point they can go one of 2 ways - either they can be educated to talk to girls warmly, genuinly, as fellow human beings (and yeah, maybe run the risk and being 'friend zoned' but hey, thems the breaks!) OR they can fall into the clutches of the PUAs and be indoctrinated into that and probably change their name to 'Chad' by deed pole or however it happens!

I wish more feminist were compassionate, understanding educators of the human condition as it relates to the female half of the species and less given to this victim mentality which is counter productive in many ways, on many levels!

(The Chad thing was just a bit of fun, BTW, I'm not really Chadist)

and men are beaten by women in relationships very often as well, and they are told to man up and get 0 recognition. Same with rape of males. A woman can rape a male and with some effort and fortune have the raped male convicted.



But in GTA, it was really a bullshit argument because you can equally beat up men and women, but have to beat up men a lot more in the storyline. In no way are you extra encouraged to target females specifically.




"I have seen feminists working to better others. I haven't seen any GG, MRA, etc working for that. They seem just concerned about making the world conform to their preferences and silencing disagreement."

First of all, that is exactly what they are against. They are against activists trying to conform the media to their life views and noone elses. If they find it offensive, it must go. If they find it good, it must stay. Disagree, and you are a sexist racist motherfucker.

It is very hard to better others when you are being called a white cis scum misogynistic rape-supporting man child as soon as you have the audacity to open your mouth.

also, #zerobiscuit, #unsubtb, suicide prevention, TFYC. charities set up and supported by gg.



(and an FYI not all men are horrible demons)

+1000

The really sad thing about all this is, that #gg is currently fighting for social justice, equality and freedom alike while being accused of doing the exact opposite because for some reason hatemongering is still stronger than proof and facts in the media.

I was getting at the fact that you were painting all individuals of that group in the same brush and discounting the fact that many of those individuals may have differing opinions, different ethnicities, different religions and different reasons for being there. Which is the same problem I have with how GG is painted. If you listen to some SJW's, there are no minorities and women who support that cause which is obviously untrue. You need to be careful not to cherry-pick a single stupid point and characterize the whole group and all its members for it.

In terms of that group and many of the articles, and certain attitudes of the founder, I generally agree with you. Some of the attitudes and quotations are just sick. But again, you'd be better served by addressing their words and not villainizing them for past actions or articles. It gives the appearance, rightly or wrongly, that you are avoiding their message by shooting the messenger.

To be fair, I find maybe half the articles linked from Reaxxion to be noteworthy. The other half (especially the one's citing Socialism or Socialists) I cringe over. It makes me wonder if some "normal" people are writting some of the articles and maybe these people are not affiliated with RoK. If I were to make a general rule, I'd throw out any GG article calling people Socialists or Communists and any anti-GG article mentioning "patriarchy" or "misogyny" and you'd have weeded out about half the nut jobs right there. Most people who use political terms like that don't really understand their meaning, and anyone claiming certain people have a general hatred for all women just because they have an issue with a certain few is also a crackpot.

We'll have to agree to disagree about GTA.

As for hatemongering - GG has been doing an excellent job of presenting themselves as wild misogynist wackos. People using that name were the first to stalk, harass and attack others, and they're still doing it. All of the claims by GGers about them being harassed have boiled down to
1) GGers harassing each other
2) Simple disagreements being held up as 'harassment' when it was no such thing (ex: Anita Sarkeesian, who is doing very basic and standard art critique of video games).

Like I've said before, at this point there's been too much abuse and criminal activity by people who support GG to take the group seriously. GG was never about actual ethics concerns, and at this point it's too late for rational people to reclaim it.

Abuse is horrible regardless of the genders involved, but across the world, women are much, much, MUCH more likely to die because a man beat them to death than vice versa. Men thinking women are property or that it's OK to hit them is a much bigger problem than the reverse.

I'm fine with no game encouraging the player to beat other characters to death.

Have you run into some really militant feminazis or something? Don't take extreme wackos as representative of a whole group. If you're simply complaining about not being able to tell offensive jokes on the job anymore or something like that...too bad.

The only charitable things I've seen GG try were done badly. At least 1 was refused by the charity in question due to organizational problems, wasn't it? TFYC is not a good example of something that actually helped people. It is a great example of well-meaning but ignorant people blundering in without asking what's really needed.

I have no idea where your last sentence came from? We weren't talking about anything that could be a response to.

Where did you get this bullshit?
It always was about integrity.

Show me proof of the "abuse and criminal activity" by #gg.
All I've seen were wild claims.

You seem to be completely brainwashed by a certain hate movement.