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Posted March 22, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: By the same token, I'm sure there must be some voices on the feminist side with a less than bal... AND HOLY FUCK-BALLS - LOOK WHAT THIS CRAZY BITCH IS SAYING RIGHT HERE 8-0
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

All i can say. What a fucking nazi.
Posted March 22, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: By the same token, I'm sure there must be some voices on the feminist side with a less than bal... AND HOLY FUCK-BALLS - LOOK WHAT THIS CRAZY BITCH IS SAYING RIGHT HERE 8-0
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems
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dragonbeast: what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

All i can say. What a fucking nazi.
Are you saying that for the same reasons as RWarehall just above you? Why did you choose to leave that particular part of what I said in your comment or was it just a random part? Why do you bandie the 'N' word around as a knee-jerk reaction without a coherent reason as to why you object to my opinions and still think you're better as debating than me?
Your post leaves so many unanswered questions...
Posted March 22, 2015
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dragonbeast: what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

All i can say. What a fucking nazi.
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Fever_Discordia: Are you saying that for the same reasons as RWarehall just above you? Why did you choose to leave that particular part of what I said in your comment or was it just a random part? Why do you bandie the 'N' word around as a knee-jerk reaction without a coherent reason as to why you object to my opinions and still think you're better as debating than me?
Your post leaves so many unanswered questions...
not you, her.

SHE is the nazi, because getting rid of 90% of all males sounds holocaust-esque to me. Next she'll be saying women need the "lebensraum" as well

she even mentioned putting men in special areas, ghetto and concentration camps much?

i am not one of those rambeling idiots calming all feminists are nazis, but that specific case, yes she is a feminazi.
Post edited March 22, 2015 by dragonbeast
Posted March 22, 2015
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soxy_lady: mate youve got the wrong comment mixed up there somehow Im not calling anyone a nut job 'k?
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how did you manage to fuck up that I dont know
Calm down and I explain it to you.

It's in the code. If I post:

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It's automatically showing you as the author.

If I post
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It's showing the author of post 2346 (which is Fever_Discordia) as the author.

Relating to a post quoted in another post often creates some chaos here and I just didn't check the numbers.
Now clear how "I managed to fuck that up"?

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Fever_Discordia: I dunno man, I guess it all depends on where you think the needle is on the gender-balance-ometer, you've made it clear that you think it's already past the halfway point in favour of women, and, to be honest, if I ever thought it was there maybe I would think it was time to start looking at mens rights, chances are that if it ever did reach the middle point it probably WOULD go past it a little bit and have to be fine-tuned back again but I can't see it getting anywhere NEAR halfway in my lifetime, and I believe that to be the sane view
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Gersen: I totally disagree and I think it's a rather dangerous and counter productive opinion to have that does nothing but fueling extremists on both side.

The needle position is totally irrelevant, inequalities are inequalities regardless on how often they happens and who they might concern. Discriminating somebody because she is a female is unacceptable... but discriminating somebody because he is a male is equally unacceptable and should be thought against with the same strength. And the same is true with racism and others the 'ism or 'phobe, regardless of all the "privileged theories" that some might have.
I agree with Gersen.
This "needle talk" is utter bullshit. If there is sexism in a society it's never all against one specific gender, it all completely depends on the case and saying that men can be discriminated as long as women are discriminated in other completely unrelated topics and parts of society is really dangerous and is working against any form of gender equality.

Fever_discordia, you strongly implied, that sexism against men is totally fine with you as long as you think women are discriminated more often anywhere, this is not only debatable but completely unjust in any case.

Gender discrimination is wrong, no matter what.
This is my opinion and ironically the one that most often collides with neo-feminists.
Post edited March 22, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted March 22, 2015
There is nothing wrong with discrimination in itself. Discrimination literally means "differentiation", and since people are different we cannot treat everyone the same. Discrimination becomes harmful when it is done to hurt people.

Sexism is discrimination based on sex. Sometimes it is appropriate, and sometimes it is not. However, the term discrimination has been perverted to always be perceived as a bad thing. Therefore only the "others", i.e. the enemy, is capable of discrimination.

The solution is not to start arguing who can and who cannot be discriminated, the solution is to embrace the original meaning of the word again and give all xyz-ists the boot. No feminism, no MRAism, nothing. By arguing he-said-she-said we'll be just running in circles and get nothing done.
Posted March 22, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: If someone wants to create a 6 part YouTube series about why the depiction of men in chick flicks relies on tired, lazy, old tropes that only serve to help pigeonhole men in society in general, then good luck to them, I say

However, I wouldn't support the creation of groups and petitions to edit and / or ban certain chick flicks, which is why I have found 'Bat-Gate' so disappointing - Discussion = Good, Violation of Artistic Freedom = Bad
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Rusty_Gunn: some older vids but I don't know if you've seen them...

IF Men acted like FEMINISTS! (Part 1)
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IF Men acted like FEMINISTS! (Part 2)

Trigger warning: Thunderf00t
Excellent videos
Posted March 22, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Are you saying that for the same reasons as RWarehall just above you? Why did you choose to leave that particular part of what I said in your comment or was it just a random part? Why do you bandie the 'N' word around as a knee-jerk reaction without a coherent reason as to why you object to my opinions and still think you're better as debating than me?
Your post leaves so many unanswered questions...
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dragonbeast: not you, her.

SHE is the nazi, because getting rid of 90% of all males sounds holocaust-esque to me. Next she'll be saying women need the "lebensraum" as well

she even mentioned putting men in special areas, ghetto and concentration camps much?

i am not one of those rambeling idiots calming all feminists are nazis, but that specific case, yes she is a feminazi.
Oh phew - I thought you meant me! Glad I didn't go off at you too much, sorry about that!
Yeah, yeah, she's.. beyond.. I have no words...
Posted March 22, 2015
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RWarehall: The problem is this...you keep claiming feminists as a whole are pushing in the right direction and men's right's activists in the wrong, but on what basis really?

There are many instances where "social justice" advocates have clearly crossed the line. I don't care what denomination they belong to (men, women, black, white, purple). But somehow, you can excuse these mistakes with the hand-waving claim that overall its in the right direction? That's frankly bullshit.

Australia K-Marts and Targets - petition drive to remove GTA V because its specifically encouraging violence toward women. Frankly, bullshit.

Duke lacrosse team - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
Bullshit.

Mozilla CEO - forced to resign over a small campaign contribution he made 6 years ago to fight a California gay right's proposition. Bullshit.

I don't agree with what he supported but I believe in his right to have his own opinion. Apparently certain activists think they have the right to dictate to everyone else what is right and wrong.

To me, real social activism is more like the ACLU, an organization who fights for freedom even if someone has a pornography business, they still fought for the right of their freedom of expression. These new social activists, support the rights of their clicks to harass and belittle for their so-called idea of what is right for them and against their enemies. They are zealots.

And frankly, from what I've seen and your hatred for all that is men's rights where you compare them to white supremacists, you are just such a zealot.
Hmm well I'd probably have to do a lot of research to decide what I thought about those individual cases to answer you directly
But the gay rights thing got me thinking and yeah, Return of Kings bills itself as a "blog for heterosexual, masculine men" so how many MRAs are actually SMRAs - Straight Male Right's Activists, if push came to shove how many would be SWMRAs - Straight White Male Rights Activists - how many would be Straight White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Men Between the Ages of 30 and 60's Right's activists? Hmm?
Post edited March 22, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
Posted March 22, 2015
It seems you are very good at trying to paint all those you dislike with the same brush. Is this the diversity you preach?
Posted March 22, 2015
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Shadowstalker16: @Fever: its not for you to decide what is and is not rape. One day; the world lawmakers can come to a summit with leading psychologists and define a 100% objective definition of rape. Until then; its best to keep the R word to its current meanings. Also going to suggest you kindly keep off the realms of stare rape and such; since they're obviously made by men haters; and is a blow to human rights in any sane community with any sane people. So kindly not look at girls yourself; and pay for the neck cast yourself.
Hope you understand the ludicrous nature of what you just wrote. I'll reply about the game antigame thing later.
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Fever_Discordia: Huh?
I remained undecided about whether con-sex (as in confidence trick, not convict!) should be classed as a kind of rape or not, agreed that, no sexual harassment, while treated seriously, shouldn't be labeled 'psychological' or 'stare' rape and I couldn't find enough about 'fart rape' to have an opinion either way and in general, was against the 'R' word being bandied about frivolously because it will lose some of its power and impact if we do that

You make it sound like I went off on some extremist, misandrical tirade...

*edit* also it wasn't me who brought stare rape up - I just went to Return of Kings to find the most bat-shit crazy article I could to prove a point and came back with one about 'fat girl on drunk guy rape' which I thought was suitably silly
Ok; just kinda sensitive since men are already disadvantaged where I live (100% true; people break into prisons and kill people accused of rape). Just reminding everyone to be careful with this shit; since none of us are really trained psychologists or legal experts. Yes; RoK is mostly strange BS; and is to be taken with a truckload of salt.
Posted March 23, 2015
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noncompliantgame: You see, they've reached the point where they're not even pretending to be democratic anymore. This barely veiled threat illustrates their prevailing attitude that if we don't behave ourselves they'll be shutting down what's left of your right to free speech.

I'll say it again. Keep on speaking truth to power.
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Fever_Discordia: OMG that's the most paranoid thing I've ever read!
I was just saying that, unlike the rest of the internet both sides here have enough maturity and respect to keep things simmering without boiling over, and enough sense to step back and think 'Whoa dude' when one of us, on eaither side DOES let off excessive steam, somehow, and I'm proud of this forum for that - I was then just thinking that saying that sounds a bit like tempting fate (not that I'm superstitious, quite the opposite) and it would be just my luck if things finally DID tip over and the thread got locked right after I said it

Or where you just trolling and TRYING to escalate things?
Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you. BTW - you've been very busy for someone who was about to rage quit this thread over a Batman comic.

X-D
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Posted March 23, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: OMG that's the most paranoid thing I've ever read!
I was just saying that, unlike the rest of the internet both sides here have enough maturity and respect to keep things simmering without boiling over, and enough sense to step back and think 'Whoa dude' when one of us, on eaither side DOES let off excessive steam, somehow, and I'm proud of this forum for that - I was then just thinking that saying that sounds a bit like tempting fate (not that I'm superstitious, quite the opposite) and it would be just my luck if things finally DID tip over and the thread got locked right after I said it

Or where you just trolling and TRYING to escalate things?
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noncompliantgame: Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you. BTW - you've been very busy for someone who was about to rage quit this thread over a Batman comic.

X-D
Spider Jerusalem has a quote for that.
Posted March 23, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: OMG that's the most paranoid thing I've ever read!
I was just saying that, unlike the rest of the internet both sides here have enough maturity and respect to keep things simmering without boiling over, and enough sense to step back and think 'Whoa dude' when one of us, on eaither side DOES let off excessive steam, somehow, and I'm proud of this forum for that - I was then just thinking that saying that sounds a bit like tempting fate (not that I'm superstitious, quite the opposite) and it would be just my luck if things finally DID tip over and the thread got locked right after I said it

Or where you just trolling and TRYING to escalate things?
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noncompliantgame: Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you. BTW - you've been very busy for someone who was about to rage quit this thread over a Batman comic.

X-D
Yeah I had already pre-called myself out for that earlier here
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post2329
I said
"and yes I AM being unusually vocal for someone who was supposed to be sitting out, munching popcorn, what can I say - I got salted instead of buttered by accident!"

(which wasn't meant to be a reference to 'salt', BTW, which is a reference I don't understand anyway - I just heard a couple of people say it - what IS that all about?)
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Posted March 23, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: At the risk of getting the crowd all excited about the prospect of some hot ant-GG on anti-GG action, could I ask how you feel about the GGAutoblocker?
In addition to the reaction I had back here http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post2195 it also seems a bit like the eqivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "La La Lar - I can't hear you" which.. isn't very mature
Using the autoblocker takes you out of the discussion.

That is useful to those who actually do "ragequit" over repeating the same things over and over and over and over and over again — e.g. how the idea of having any kind of objectivity in art critique is imbecile; how diversity hasn't been a "political" motif in literature for more than 2,000 years; how philantropist motifs are confused with political statements today; what 'diversity' actually means in the context of the portrayal of women in games (it actually means "one kind AND the other AS WELL"); how sexist motifs can be prevalent in games that women, on the whole, actually love; or how "The SJW" as an enemy concept is created by the principles of fascist propaganda, and how the term's usage points to the only people with actual political motives. Et cetera.

It is, however, useful to gamergate agitators as well, because they feel less of a backlash for producing bullshit. They could, without any problems, keep the controversy alive for years by argumentative inbreeding alone.

Essentially, both sides win, so kudos to Randi.
Posted March 23, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: At the risk of getting the crowd all excited about the prospect of some hot ant-GG on anti-GG action, could I ask how you feel about the GGAutoblocker?
In addition to the reaction I had back here http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post2195 it also seems a bit like the eqivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "La La Lar - I can't hear you" which.. isn't very mature
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Vainamoinen: Using the autoblocker takes you out of the discussion.

That is useful to those who actually do "ragequit" over repeating the same things over and over and over and over and over again — e.g. how the idea of having any kind of objectivity in art critique is imbecile; how diversity hasn't been a "political" motif in literature for more than 2,000 years; how philantropist motifs are confused with political statements today; what 'diversity' actually means in the context of the portrayal of women in games (it actually means "one kind AND the other AS WELL"); how sexist motifs can be prevalent in games that women, on the whole, actually love; or how "The SJW" as an enemy concept is created by the principles of fascist propaganda, and how the term's usage points to the only people with actual political motives. Et cetera.

It is, however, useful to gamergate agitators as well, because they feel less of a backlash for producing bullshit. They could, without any problems, keep the controversy alive for years by argumentative inbreeding alone.

Essentially, both sides win, so kudos to Randi.
Well, OK, as long as only it's used by those people who have had enough and want to get on with their lives - get back to enjoying sunsets, slow walks along the beach, actually PLAYING video games etc.
I suppose I just worry it's going to be used by those people who want to continue discussing but only want to hear the voices of those who agree with them - an echo-chamber isn't a healthy environment for that sort of thing!
So that one guy from EA who lost 2500 followers? They were all GG debate rage-quitters? Seems like a lot, I suppose he didn't say how many followers he had in total and what percentage of his followers he lost, though, I guess...
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