I like how you imply that Cookie Dough is *the* manliest of flavours.

The fuck? Do you even realize what your are saying? Games are different from movies because they have mechanics. If their mechanics are poor/ non-existent; THEY'RE JUST ANIMATED MOVIES! Game mechanics aren't fancy schmuff. They're required stuff that add an extra layer of depth than other mediums. When a game forgets that part which makes it different from a movie; it has a right to be called one. NOT BEING A GAME ISN'T A BAD THING. Just because its not a game; doesn't mean anyone can enjoy or not enjoy it. This isn't even a matter od opinion man; you're trying to make thing that aren't games into games. And as I said before; games like LIMBO have tie-in of the mechanics and the message.

Check the downrepping pwease; this is a discussion and we're being fairly civil.

Little chance of that happening.

I took a 5-point hit, from 431 down to 426, just today, and I don't recall posting anything in this thread in weeks (iirc, since this post on March 6th).

This has happened often enough in the past that sometime last year I decided to start using the "-" button in kind (tho I tend to reserve it for the more unreasonable SJWs).

Serious question: The majority of the GOG community apparently don't want to fix the rep system (see this thread and many others; the subject gets brought up periodically and shot down by dozens of "don't care about rep" posts), so why shouldn't we use it to retaliate in kind?

Hells, my wishlist entry to remove the downvote option was actually removed from the site. It was located at:

http://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/remove_option_to_downvote_downrep

but that page now redirects to an unrelated wish, meaning that my entry was probably deliberately falsely tagged as a duplicate to get it removed.

I gave up fighting it.

OMG that's the most paranoid thing I've ever read!
I was just saying that, unlike the rest of the internet both sides here have enough maturity and respect to keep things simmering without boiling over, and enough sense to step back and think 'Whoa dude' when one of us, on eaither side DOES let off excessive steam, somehow, and I'm proud of this forum for that - I was then just thinking that saying that sounds a bit like tempting fate (not that I'm superstitious, quite the opposite) and it would be just my luck if things finally DID tip over and the thread got locked right after I said it

Or where you just trolling and TRYING to escalate things?

Yeah, there's probably some games you could catagorise as 'not-games' under your definition, but in many ways that just make another genre (of, what? interactive computer entertainment thingies?) and I know from personally obsessively separating all of my games into set genres, that genre definitions are not hard-and-fast and you always get some overlap and things get messy, that's usually not too much of an issue, in fact blending genres can make really interesting combinations but if you're going to segregate things that are that similar to games off into 'not-games', which seems like more of a wall then just a genre tag, then things could get weird - who gets to decide how exactly many mechanics a game has before its a game? Who's to say what's a poor mechanic and what's a good mechanic?

I mean look at walking simulators - what if a walking simulator had one weak puzzle the whole 'game' - does that suddenly make it a first person adventure? What if it had a series of fairly interesting puzzles but they were obscure and easily missed and, when you solved them they gave you access to an 'easter egg' area that wasn't even relevant or necessary to the plot? What if they were SO obscure that no-one noticed them for a year after release would someone have to issue a statement saying "Ah, we've just found some puzzles in that not-a-game so it's not a not-a-game and actually a game after all, sorry about that!"
What if there's one guy you have to shoot, right at the end, is it suddenly an FPS? What if there's one guy and one weak puzzle?

That's what I think with my mind, anyway...

*edit* What about The Stanley Parable is that not-a-game despite being ABOUT games and the nature of gaming narrative? Even though it has a choice of route and multiple endings?

Did you not see that link to Return of Kings (his other site) I posted here?
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post2352
'Fat girls who have sex with drunk guys are rapists' I think my definition is fair based on that!
Or did you just think my words were a bit hackneyed? How does 'Evil, blue tongued, windows licking, fucktard' suite you?

How is that any worse than the "anything a man can do is a form of rape" mentality that can be found

Rape by fraud
Stare Rape
Fart Rape

And I'm sure there are others

To me, that was less a hate piece you linked but rather an attempt to highlight the absurdity of the "feminist rape culture".

Ah OK but even as satire, I find it obnoxious and dumb

I guess it comes down to MRAs not seeing the difference between a girl feeling and bit groovy and a bit altered, being all over you even if she wouldn't give you the time of day when sober and regretting it in the morning and guys fucking passed out girls who have no idea what the fuck's going on, especially dangerous when ruffies are a thing - Or the fear that girls in the first camp are going to claim their in the second camp and get away with it - that's actually a legitimate fear and we should proceed carefully but that doesn't mean we should let opportunistic slime get away with sleep-banging anyone, especially not the drink spikers!

Yeah, 'rape', like any powerful word, can lose some of its meaning if bandied about too much and used in 'silly' contexts and feminists should watch out for that - no-one wants to trivialise rape!

Rape by Fraud - hmm conning someone into having sex with you should probably be SOME kind of crime whether the name of the crime should include the 'R' word is debatable, but it IS one of the few forms of 'rape' that a woman could, conceivably commit against a man (without the aid of viagra) and I bet MRAs would be screaming 'rape' from the rooftops if such a case DID come up...

Stare Rape - Sexual harassment is already a crime, one that should be treated seriously but calling it 'Psychological Rape' isn't very productive, no, I've give you that

Fart Rape - couldn't really find this one, I might have to ask for a link, all I found were articles saying that it's sexist that society allows men to fart but for its taboo for a woman to fart, which is fair comment, not sure where 'rape' come in though...

is this one of the articles you found on F-Rape?
http://www.discussionist.com/101664037

Basically, when a man bellows out the backside he is asserting his dominance so the woman "fears" for her safety.
yeah, I'm not seeing the rape either. I have a hard enough time figuring out a regular woman & 3rd wave/radfem is a whole other thing. For example I am in favor of this invention

@Fever: its not for you to decide what is and is not rape. One day; the world lawmakers can come to a summit with leading psychologists and define a 100% objective definition of rape. Until then; its best to keep the R word to its current meanings. Also going to suggest you kindly keep off the realms of stare rape and such; since they're obviously made by men haters; and is a blow to human rights in any sane community with any sane people. So kindly not look at girls yourself; and pay for the neck cast yourself.
Hope you understand the ludicrous nature of what you just wrote. I'll reply about the game antigame thing later.

OK let me try to explain myself with by comparing gender to race - imagine a 'white rights' protesters rally - would any right-thinking person not be able to see that they are just white supremacists spuriously claiming legitimate grievances? Unless you were genuinely dealing with such a rally in a theoretical black-dominated society where white people are marginalised and abused
And, yeah, I see MRAs the same way - male supremacists with spurious claims to legit grievances, but just as 'white rights' could be a legit thing if society was flipped then male right could be as well, Klumpen seems to have managed to convince himself that society IS already flipped towards the girl's team so i guess he must follow his heart, no matter how misguided I think he is

The kicker is that even within the ranks of the black rights movement, with their genuine, legitimate, grievances you are going to get a minority of black supremacists, forgive me if my knowledge of American political history is a bit sketchy but I BELIEVE I can cite the Black Panthers as an example of that without too much controversy.

By the same token, I'm sure there must be some voices on the feminist side with a less than bal... AND HOLY FUCK-BALLS - LOOK WHAT THIS CRAZY BITCH IS SAYING RIGHT HERE 8-0
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems
So yeah, extremist DOES exist on both sides, I'm not denying that but in the middle is where the needle should be, feminists are pushing the the correct direction and MRAs are pushing the wrong way - at the moment, in my opinion, by the reading I'm taking with MY eyes

Huh?
I remained undecided about whether con-sex (as in confidence trick, not convict!) should be classed as a kind of rape or not, agreed that, no sexual harassment, while treated seriously, shouldn't be labeled 'psychological' or 'stare' rape and I couldn't find enough about 'fart rape' to have an opinion either way and in general, was against the 'R' word being bandied about frivolously because it will lose some of its power and impact if we do that

You make it sound like I went off on some extremist, misandrical tirade...

*edit* also it wasn't me who brought stare rape up - I just went to Return of Kings to find the most bat-shit crazy article I could to prove a point and came back with one about 'fat girl on drunk guy rape' which I thought was suitably silly

Yeah, OK, that's pretty bad, nearly as bad as little miss 'cull 90% of men' that I linked to earlier in fact - you've just got to keep sight of what's sensible and what isn't, I guess!
I thought I was for the nail polish too and against those opposed to it but some of the counter arguments you just linked to are actually pretty good, I'm undecided now...

The problem is this...you keep claiming feminists as a whole are pushing in the right direction and men's right's activists in the wrong, but on what basis really?

There are many instances where "social justice" advocates have clearly crossed the line. I don't care what denomination they belong to (men, women, black, white, purple). But somehow, you can excuse these mistakes with the hand-waving claim that overall its in the right direction? That's frankly bullshit.

Australia K-Marts and Targets - petition drive to remove GTA V because its specifically encouraging violence toward women. Frankly, bullshit.

Duke lacrosse team - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case
Bullshit.

Mozilla CEO - forced to resign over a small campaign contribution he made 6 years ago to fight a California gay right's proposition. Bullshit.

I don't agree with what he supported but I believe in his right to have his own opinion. Apparently certain activists think they have the right to dictate to everyone else what is right and wrong.

To me, real social activism is more like the ACLU, an organization who fights for freedom even if someone has a pornography business, they still fought for the right of their freedom of expression. These new social activists, support the rights of their clicks to harass and belittle for their so-called idea of what is right for them and against their enemies. They are zealots.

And frankly, from what I've seen and your hatred for all that is men's rights where you compare them to white supremacists, you are just such a zealot.