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Posted March 21, 2015
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F4LL0UT: That's kinda paradox. I mean, the reason they "aren't games" is their lack of game mechanics. Especially Dear Esther "plays" like the FPS camera in Blender.
I love that term "game mechanics". How often did you have to take your tic-tac-toe down to the shop and have it fixed? :)
Posted March 21, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: *after a short pause for breath*
Look at it this way - compare your all time top 10 film list to your average (or maybe, for this exercise 'stereotypical') film critic's
Sure there's going to be SOME overlap around the Spielberg / Scorsese / Lucas / Tarantino area but look at your list - is there ANYTHING by Igmar Bergman? Where's Battleship Potemkin? At the top of your list, pride of place, as best film EVA do you have Citizen Kane? I think not, sir, I think not! *raises eyebrow* (I wouldn't have them on MY list either BTW - plenty of Terry Gilliam though!)

So why do you expect game citrics to be any different to film critics? Why? Why IS that? Hmm?
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Shadowstalker16: You're kidding...................right? Did you read my post? Just because a game has good artstyle and good writing doesn't make it an enjoyable or complex game. Here; emphasis is on mechanical complexity. If someone chooses to make a game with a message but just puts the message in like something separate from the game; it will seem to normal non-gamer people that its completely about the message and it will seem to gamers as a game with a message and nothing more. Games offer that extra depth that media and books don't. That is mechanics. When your shithead social justice juice high devs make a game; they're just making a piece of code that is interactive and reveals their stupid message after a level is finished. THERE IS NO TIE-IN BETWEEN THE ''MESSAGE'' AND THE MECHANICS. BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY MECHANICS. So they're weakening the message without proper message-gameplay integration and since the mechanics weren't gonna do jack shit INTFP; their game OBJECTIVELY SUCKS as a game. As a piece of code for inspiring hipsters; not so much.
Well, OK I didn't really realise we were limiting the discussion to just what 'the kids' like to call 'walking simulators' (and yes I DO think its ironic that the OP of this entire thread is the one man dev team of this http://store.steampowered.com/app/329830/ Ooh and look at that - the very first positive review is our own Fenixp making it clear that he's NOT just giving it a thumbs up because he knows the dev fom here too LOL) as I think there's plenty of games that wrap messages, heavy subject matter, enimaticness and other arty goings on in more traditional game mechanics - Braid, Limbo and Papers Please come to mind for a start

But I don't think its productive to try and start saying that 'this piece of interactive computer entertainment that at least SOME people enjoy IS a game and this one isn't because it doesn't have enough 'game mechanics' - it reminds me of people off of the 90s trying to argue that rap and hip-hop isn't music!

As to whether walking simulators should be getting such glowing reviews? Honestly, personally I think it's going to be a breath of fresh that goes stale quite quickly, forcing the genre to change, mutate and adapt to keep things fresh, which will be fascinating to watch and experience
Post edited March 21, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
Posted March 21, 2015
Those games' messages are effectively tied into their mechanics.
Posted March 21, 2015
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noncompliantgame: As part of #Gamergates freshly minted now (no doubt) officially declared (somewhere in internertland) expanded agenda lets take a quick look at SJW™ ideology explained and Bankrolling The SJW™ - that's corporate sponsorship + socialism = fascism to you, friends! ;-)

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Shadowstalker16: Just because a game has good artstyle and good writing doesn't make it an enjoyable or complex game. Here; emphasis is on mechanical complexity. If someone chooses to make a game with a message but just puts the message in like something separate from the game; it will seem to normal non-gamer people that its completely about the message and it will seem to gamers as a game with a message and nothing more. Games offer that extra depth that media and books don't. That is mechanics. When your shithead social justice juice high devs make a game; they're just making a piece of code that is interactive and reveals their stupid message after a level is finished. THERE IS NO TIE-IN BETWEEN THE ''MESSAGE'' AND THE MECHANICS. BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY MECHANICS. So they're weakening the message without proper message-gameplay integration and since the mechanics weren't gonna do jack shit INTFP; their game OBJECTIVELY SUCKS as a game. As a piece of code for inspiring hipsters; not so much.
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noncompliantgame: Sshh ... don't tell them how to make good games! X-D
mate forgive if Im wrong but ...

are both t hose articles a bit lop sided
Posted March 21, 2015
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noncompliantgame: As part of #Gamergates freshly minted now (no doubt) officially declared (somewhere in internertland) expanded agenda lets take a quick look at SJW™ ideology explained and Bankrolling The SJW™ - that's corporate sponsorship + socialism = fascism to you, friends! ;-)
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soxy_lady: mate forgive if Im wrong but ...

are both t hose articles a bit lop sided
Only if you take them out of context. Their context being they are opposed to the viscious, destructive anti-gamer and anti-gaming corporate and government sponsered powers that shouldn't be known to you and I as SJW™. Reaxxion may not be to each and every individual's taste but they are fulfiling a vital role and at present time providing the best go to for quick, easy and accessible info to help gamers stand up to those who want them dead!
Posted March 21, 2015
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noncompliantgame: As part of #Gamergates freshly minted now (no doubt) officially declared (somewhere in internertland) expanded agenda lets take a quick look at SJW™ ideology explained and Bankrolling The SJW™ - that's corporate sponsorship + socialism = fascism to you, friends! ;-)

Sshh ... don't tell them how to make good games! X-D
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soxy_lady: mate forgive if Im wrong but ...

are both t hose articles a bit lop sided
Yeah, the guy behind Reaxion has been identified as Men's Right Activist nut-job hatemonger - I can't see how anyone can point to them with a straight face without being dismissed as a krank TBH...
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dragonbeast: i don't have the link right now (i'll send it later) but there was a research link going deeper on the 50% fem thing. turns out there might be some truth, but it is far to simplistic.
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RWarehall: That's what I mean though. Almost everyone plays some sort of video game these days especially if you count solitaire and FB games. Since the population is split just about 50/50 in terms of gender (neglecting "others"), it just goes to reason that men and women will have about the same percent populations when asking about the very generic term "video games".

It would be like asking what percentage of people who enjoy movies are female. Of course the answer is about 50%, but that doesn't mean men and women enjoy the same types of movies either. The issue is when people try to claim that movies enjoyed by more men than women are inherently sexist (else why aren't the populations equal?). Should I have to mention Anita tried the same arguments with movies before she critiqued video games?

You can make up many excuses why popular movies for males are sexist, but if you do, then the reverse has to also be considered, that somehow movies enjoyed by women more than men must somehow inherently be sexist.
If someone wants to create a 6 part YouTube series about why the depiction of men in chick flicks relies on tired, lazy, old tropes that only serve to help pigeonhole men in society in general, then good luck to them, I say

However, I wouldn't support the creation of groups and petitions to edit and / or ban certain chick flicks, which is why I have found 'Bat-Gate' so disappointing - Discussion = Good, Violation of Artistic Freedom = Bad
Post edited March 21, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
Posted March 21, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Just to be clear - this appears to be about some atheist drama block bot, not the anti-GG one, although the anti-GG one almost certainly breaks the same laws, pending test case, of course
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Vainamoinen: It may break similar laws, but absolutely not the same ones — the issue with the block bot is grounded in UK libel law, the ggautoblocker is entirely within US jurisdiction. Also, note that there is no legal problem with the way those blockers work, but with the way targets are described by the makers of those blockers. In my entirely unprofessional opinion, Randy Harper has been way more careful in that respect. She might still run into problems, though.
At the risk of getting the crowd all excited about the prospect of some hot ant-GG on anti-GG action, could I ask how you feel about the GGAutoblocker?
In addition to the reaction I had back here http://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_gamergate_news_thread/post2195 it also seems a bit like the eqivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "La La Lar - I can't hear you" which.. isn't very mature
As someone who is willing to come here and open a dialog with these people, I'd be interested to hear if you actually have anything positive to say in its defence
Cheers
xxx
(in regard to the 'xxx' at the end there, yes I DO think I'm funny, why do you ask? At least I'm not conforming to the humourless feminist stereotype!)
Post edited March 21, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
Posted March 21, 2015
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markrichardb: It bothers me that terms like ‘interactive movie’ are used in an insulting manner rather than a straight term of classification. We all have preferences, but to treat games as inherently sacred next to other mediums and certain genres to be inherently superior...
I prefer the term movie-game myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL7u8uFwa8I
Posted March 21, 2015
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noncompliantgame: Only if you take them out of context. Their context being they are opposed to the viscious, destructive anti-gamer and anti-gaming corporate and government sponsered powers that shouldn't be known to you and I as SJW™. Reaxxion may not be to each and every individual's taste but they are fulfiling a vital role and at present time providing the best go to for quick, easy and accessible info to help gamers stand up to those who want them dead!
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Fever_Discordia: Yeah, the guy behind Reaxion has been identified as Men's Right Activist nut-job hatemonger - I can't see how anyone can point to them with a straight face without being dismissed as a krank TBH...
lol I dont know about you guys but

do you realise how healthy these forums are

btw I dint mean to spark off a scrap but have at it if ya wanna ;-)

theres so many places this shit would get shut down gog is like a free citystate


edit - I dint mean "shit' as in rubbish but just "shit" as in "stuff"
Post edited March 21, 2015 by soxy_lady
Posted March 21, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Yeah, the guy behind Reaxion has been identified as Men's Right Activist nut-job hatemonger - I can't see how anyone can point to them with a straight face without being dismissed as a krank TBH...
I don't know Reaxion or the guy behind it, there's just one thing that bothers me:
Is every men's rights activist a nut-job hatemonger for you?
I've encountered this opinion absolutely in every case among people who see themselves as leftists since it's a taboo even to think about it in those circles and it's really disturbing since in some places there is indeed a dire need for men's rights activists if we ever wish to have gender equality and they always get ridiculed and discredited long before anybody even starts to listen to them, even if they're female.
Post edited March 21, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted March 21, 2015
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Klumpen0815: I don't know Reaxion or the guy behind it, there's just one thing that bothers me:
Is every men's rights activist a nut-job hatemonger for you?
I've encountered this opinion absolutely in every case among people who see themselves as leftists since it's a taboo even to think about it in those circles and it's really disturbing since in some places there is indeed a dire need for men's rights activists if we ever wish to have gender equality and they always get ridiculed and discredited long before anybody even starts to listen to them, even if they're female.
mate youve got the wrong comment mixed up there somehow Im not calling anyone a nut job 'k?
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soxy_lady: mate forgive if Im wrong but ...

are both t hose articles a bit lop sided
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Fever_Discordia: Yeah, the guy behind Reaxion has been identified as Men's Right Activist nut-job hatemonger - I can't see how anyone can point to them with a straight face without being dismissed as a krank TBH...
this is the guy that made that comment

how did you manage to fuck up that I dont know
Post edited March 21, 2015 by soxy_lady
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soxy_lady: Yeah, the guy behind Reaxion has been identified as Men's Right Activist nut-job hatemonger - I can't see how anyone can point to them with a straight face without being dismissed as a krank TBH...
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Klumpen0815: I don't know Reaxion or the guy behind it, there's just one thing that bothers me:
Is every men's rights activist a nut-job hatemonger for you?
I've encountered this opinion absolutely in every case among people who see themselves as leftists since it's a taboo even to think about it in those circles and it's really disturbing since in some places there is indeed a dire need for men's rights activists if we ever wish to have gender equality and they always get ridiculed and discredited long before anybody even starts to listen to them, even if they're female.
I dunno man, I guess it all depends on where you think the needle is on the gender-balance-ometer, you've made it clear that you think it's already past the halfway point in favour of women, and, to be honest, if I ever thought it was there maybe I would think it was time to start looking at mens rights, chances are that if it ever did reach the middle point it probably WOULD go past it a little bit and have to be fine-tuned back again but I can't see it getting anywhere NEAR halfway in my lifetime, and I believe that to be the sane view

But as for Reaxxion and it's founder Rooch, his OTHER site 'Return of Kings' posts articles like this one:
http://www.returnofkings.com/56017/fat-girls-who-have-sex-with-drunk-guys-are-rapists
And I send an entire WORLD of that image macro of Jackie Chan shaking his hands at his head to THAT bat-shit crazy nonsense!

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Fever_Discordia: Yeah, the guy behind Reaxion has been identified as Men's Right Activist nut-job hatemonger - I can't see how anyone can point to them with a straight face without being dismissed as a krank TBH...
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soxy_lady: lol I dont know about you guys but

do you realise how healthy these forums are

btw I dint mean to spark off a scrap but have at it if ya wanna ;-)

theres so many places this shit would get shut down gog is like a free citystate

edit - I dint mean "shit' as in rubbish but just "shit" as in "stuff"
Yeah, man, not only is it one of the few places the mods wouldn't shut it down it's one of the few places where we can keep the discussion sane enough that it doesn't HAVE to be! Well so far anyway (tempts fate)
Post edited March 21, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
Posted March 21, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: I dunno man, I guess it all depends on where you think the needle is on the gender-balance-ometer, you've made it clear that you think it's already past the halfway point in favour of women, and, to be honest, if I ever thought it was there maybe I would think it was time to start looking at mens rights, chances are that if it ever did reach the middle point it probably WOULD go past it a little bit and have to be fine-tuned back again but I can't see it getting anywhere NEAR halfway in my lifetime, and I believe that to be the sane view
I totally disagree and I think it's a rather dangerous and counter productive opinion to have that does nothing but fueling extremists on both side.

The needle position is totally irrelevant, inequalities are inequalities regardless on how often they happens and who they might concern. Discriminating somebody because she is a female is unacceptable... but discriminating somebody because he is a male is equally unacceptable and should be thought against with the same strength. And the same is true with racism and others the 'ism or 'phobe, regardless of all the "privileged theories" that some might have.
Posted March 21, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Yeah, man, not only is it one of the few places the mods wouldn't shut it down it's one of the few places where we can keep the discussion sane enough that it doesn't HAVE to be! Well so far anyway (tempts fate)
You see, they've reached the point where they're not even pretending to be democratic anymore. This barely veiled threat illustrates their prevailing attitude that if we don't behave ourselves they'll be shutting down what's left of your right to free speech.

I'll say it again. Keep on speaking truth to power.
Posted March 21, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Yeah, the guy behind Reaxion has been identified as Men's Right Activist nut-job hatemonger - I can't see how anyone can point to them with a straight face without being dismissed as a krank TBH...
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Klumpen0815: I don't know Reaxion or the guy behind it, there's just one thing that bothers me:
Is every men's rights activist a nut-job hatemonger for you?
I've encountered this opinion absolutely in every case among people who see themselves as leftists since it's a taboo even to think about it in those circles and it's really disturbing since in some places there is indeed a dire need for men's rights activists if we ever wish to have gender equality and they always get ridiculed and discredited long before anybody even starts to listen to them, even if they're female.
straight out of "rules for radicals" ;)

I know swinging at both sides is dan gerous but ..

sometines youve just gotta call people out on their shit

"nut job hatemonger and krank" are soooooo lazy it beggers belief try harder next time
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