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Posted March 19, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: *sigh* I'm sorry (because I know you'll all be gutted) but I think I'm going to have to sit out for a while because 'my' side has done something that bothers me greatly, you guys don't seem to have noticed because it's not directly linked to gaming but more generally to geek culture, well here goes:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/17/dc-comics-pull-batgirl-joker-cover-after-protests

There's limits to what a 'mainstream' DC / WB comicbook can put on its cover and still be appropriate but I, personally, don't think this crosses that line

I see a really powerful image that highlights how much of a monster The Joker is and at the same time, in humanities and creates great empathy for the the costumed superhero

It's... interesting to think that some guys might be thinking "phwarr look how vulnerable and scared she looks" *fap, fap, fap* but I don't think the rest of us should be denied a powerful image because of a few mentally ill people and I don't think looking at it causes mental illness either (ironically, of course, I probably never would have seen it if there wasn't this big kafuffle about it)

Its an Alan Moore Homage too!
If it was Power Girl looking particularly ridiculously booby or even a Frank Miller Homage I might have been able to live with it but nah - I'm going to just sit over here with a big tub of popcorn for a bit at least...
uhm excuse me, wasn't the joker the one who PEW PEWD batgirl into a wheelchair? forced her to become oracle?

"It was meant as a homage to 1988’s seminal Batman standalone story The Killing Joke, written by Alan Moore, in which the Joker attacked – and probably sexually assaulted or raped – Batgirl aka Barbara Gordon, daughter of Commissioner Gordon, leaving her in a wheelchair."

This is referencing something that happened in the batman saga. This is how oracle came to be.

well lets make sure we also ban that batman the animated series episode where "SPOILER sort of" scarecrow kills batgirl.
Posted March 19, 2015
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Hmm, y'know I read the story from The Independant earlier and it was The Guardian I just linked to - Hmm maybe I've misunderstood - how relevant was the alt cover to the actual content of that issue?
I mean, while I'm still concerned about the ability and freedom for masters like Moore to tackle deep, dark issues in the future, if the whole point of the alt cover was
"Hey - remember that time The Joker attacked – and probably sexually assaulted or raped – Batgirl aka Barbara Gordon, daughter of Commissioner Gordon, leaving her in a wheelchair? - Heh good times, ay?" *wistful*
Maybe i can kinda see 'our' point a little more...
Posted March 19, 2015
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dragonbeast: uhm excuse me, wasn't the joker the one who PEW PEWD batgirl into a wheelchair? forced her to become oracle?
Yes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbQpycnzoLM&t=3m33s

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Fever_Discordia: Hmm, y'know I read the story from The Independant earlier and it was The Guardian I just linked to - Hmm maybe I've misunderstood - how relevant was the alt cover to the actual content of that issue?
I mean, while I'm still concerned about the ability and freedom for masters like Moore to tackle deep, dark issues in the future, if the whole point of the alt cover was
"Hey - remember that time The Joker attacked – and probably sexually assaulted or raped – Batgirl aka Barbara Gordon, daughter of Commissioner Gordon, leaving her in a wheelchair? - Heh good times, ay?" *wistful*
Maybe i can kinda see 'our' point a little more...
You don't really want to justify censorship by making up theories about the artists intention.

Besides: I don't know how evil characters can be shown anymore, if they are not allowed to gloat about their evil deeds and yeah, if you want me to get to despise a character, hinting or showing that he/she is a rapist and loves it is effective indeed.
Post edited March 19, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted March 20, 2015
To be fair, super-villains can now only be allowed to show violence to men, and this is okay since they deserve it.
Posted March 20, 2015
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RWarehall: To be fair, super-villains can now only be allowed to show violence to men, and this is okay since they deserve it.
Reminds me of Tomb Raider where there is a scene that implies Lara Croft could have been raped and gaming journalists exploded in anger over the mere concept of that. It's a QTE where Lara either kills the guy or dies if she fails so it was pretty overblown.

However, there was a game where a guy is brutally and viciously raped by a female and not a single word on the matter.

Massive Spoiler Alert: This game.
Posted March 20, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Hmm, y'know I read the story from The Independant earlier and it was The Guardian I just linked to - Hmm maybe I've misunderstood - how relevant was the alt cover to the actual content of that issue?
I mean, while I'm still concerned about the ability and freedom for masters like Moore to tackle deep, dark issues in the future, if the whole point of the alt cover was
"Hey - remember that time The Joker attacked – and probably sexually assaulted or raped – Batgirl aka Barbara Gordon, daughter of Commissioner Gordon, leaving her in a wheelchair? - Heh good times, ay?" *wistful*
Maybe i can kinda see 'our' point a little more...
The fact that you're umming and arring over where the line should be drawn before art/entertainment/expression/writing/speech etc is banned or pressured into being withdrawn demonstrates the point that "your side" (as you framed it) just don't get it. Enjoy your popcorn! <@:^D+<
Posted March 20, 2015
don't forget its the same joker who beat robin to death with a crowbar (red hood)
Posted March 20, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Hmm, y'know I read the story from The Independant earlier and it was The Guardian I just linked to - Hmm maybe I've misunderstood - how relevant was the alt cover to the actual content of that issue?
I mean, while I'm still concerned about the ability and freedom for masters like Moore to tackle deep, dark issues in the future, if the whole point of the alt cover was
"Hey - remember that time The Joker attacked – and probably sexually assaulted or raped – Batgirl aka Barbara Gordon, daughter of Commissioner Gordon, leaving her in a wheelchair? - Heh good times, ay?" *wistful*
Maybe i can kinda see 'our' point a little more...
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noncompliantgame: The fact that you're umming and arring over where the line should be drawn before art/entertainment/expression/writing/speech etc is banned or pressured into being withdrawn demonstrates the point that "your side" (as you framed it) just don't get it. Enjoy your popcorn! <@:^D+<
I was just trying to get my head around if there could be any justification, but after sleeping on it, it still doesn't feel quite right, no... :-(
Posted March 20, 2015
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RWarehall: To be fair, super-villains can now only be allowed to show violence to men, and this is okay since they deserve it.
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tremere110: Reminds me of Tomb Raider where there is a scene that implies Lara Croft could have been raped and gaming journalists exploded in anger over the mere concept of that. It's a QTE where Lara either kills the guy or dies if she fails so it was pretty overblown.

However, there was a game where a guy is brutally and viciously raped by a female and not a single word on the matter.

Massive Spoiler Alert: This game.
Just shows that neo-feminism is all about advocating sexism and not about banishing it.
Posted March 20, 2015
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Wait, is there a genuine marked increase in female comic readership that the comic industry is afraid of scaring away?
- That's not a justification either, but it would be a nice thought - cheer me up a bit!

*edit*
Hmm well there's this
http://www.comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/
But then that one survey said that around 50% of 'gamers' are women too and I took THAT with a pinch of salt...
Post edited March 20, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
Posted March 20, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Wait, is there a genuine marked increase in female comic readership that the comic industry is afraid of scaring away?
- That's not a justification either, but it would be a nice thought - cheer me up a bit!

*edit*
Hmm well there's this
http://www.comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/
But then that one survey said that around 50% of 'gamers' are women too and I took THAT with a pinch of salt...
but just because half the fans are female doesn't mean they are necessarily reading (comics) or playing (games) the same
comics/games

the same people who play COD likely aren't big Candy crush fans & that's fine.
Post edited March 20, 2015 by Rusty_Gunn
Posted March 20, 2015
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Fever_Discordia: Wait, is there a genuine marked increase in female comic readership that the comic industry is afraid of scaring away?
- That's not a justification either, but it would be a nice thought - cheer me up a bit!

*edit*
Hmm well there's this
http://www.comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/
But then that one survey said that around 50% of 'gamers' are women too and I took THAT with a pinch of salt...
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Rusty_Gunn: but just because half the fans are female doesn't mean they are necessarily reading (comics) or playing (games) the same
comics/games

the same people who play COD likely aren't big Candy crush fans & that's fine.
I.... I've actually nearly finished all 460 'Pepper Panic Saga' levels, I mean, saying that I don't play CoD but my Steam library has over 1000 entries...
Posted March 20, 2015
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Rusty_Gunn: but just because half the fans are female doesn't mean they are necessarily reading (comics) or playing (games) the same
comics/games

the same people who play COD likely aren't big Candy crush fans & that's fine.
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Fever_Discordia: I.... I've actually nearly finished all 460 'Pepper Panic Saga' levels, I mean, saying that I don't play CoD but my Steam library has over 1000 entries...
well there is bound to be some blending & there's nothing wrong with that either (speaking as an adult male MLP:FIM fan) I was just saying that the two examples I gave weren't necessarily targeting the same gaming demographic.

That still doesn't excuse those screaming "I'm offended!" at everything that's not specifically tailored to them.
Post edited March 20, 2015 by Rusty_Gunn
Posted March 20, 2015
I think the problem with such surveys is the methodology. If you ask people of both genders if they like TV, or like books, or like movies. Most people will say yes and it will mirror the total percentage in the population. Without seeing this methodology and without more information, I'm going to guess this was how it was derived.

What percentage of people when asked if they like video games will say "No"?
What percentage of people when asked if they like comic books will say "No"?

If the answer is less than half, its hard to expect the female to male ratio to be anything other than close to 50/50.
Posted March 20, 2015
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA
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