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Dragon_Claw: Yesterday I posted a link regarding good customer service.

And here is an example of bad customer service. Unbelievable!
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SeduceMePlz: Is that real?!
I just saw it on today's update on "www.knowyourmeme.com" If it's real or not, I can not say for sure, but how things have escalated lately, I am not surprised to see actions like this.

UPDATE: It's real! WTF!
Post edited September 21, 2014 by Dragon_Claw
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SeduceMePlz: Is that real?!
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Dragon_Claw: I just saw it on today's update on "www.knowyourmeme.com" If it's real or not, I can not say for sure, but how things have escalated lately, I am not surprised to see actions like this.

UPDATE: It's real! WTF!
Never buying Mighty No 9. Will never support this company in any way shape or form so long as they continue such draconian practices.

Also... Gamergate is crashing and burning? Someone should get the lady a mirror so she can see that the smoke and flames aren't coming from us.
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tremere110: Never buying Mighty No 9. Will never support this company in any way shape or form so long as they continue such draconian practices.

Also... Gamergate is crashing and burning? Someone should get the lady a mirror so she can see that the smoke and flames aren't coming from us.
The worst part is, I'm pretty willing to bet that it's just her, but because of the position she's in, anything that you try to send is going to be filtered through her. It's fucking rediculous.
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tremere110: Never buying Mighty No 9. Will never support this company in any way shape or form so long as they continue such draconian practices.

Also... Gamergate is crashing and burning? Someone should get the lady a mirror so she can see that the smoke and flames aren't coming from us.
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TwilightBard: The worst part is, I'm pretty willing to bet that it's just her, but because of the position she's in, anything that you try to send is going to be filtered through her. It's fucking rediculous.
Yeah, it's gonna suck that if Mighty #9 doesn't do well the developers might think it's because nobody likes megaman as opposed to having a crappy community manager. You know, I even thought the contrversy surrounding her appointment to community manager was an overreaction. Boy was I wrong on that one - looks like the worst fears aired back in december 2013 are coming true.
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SeduceMePlz: Is that real?!
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Dragon_Claw: I just saw it on today's update on "www.knowyourmeme.com" If it's real or not, I can not say for sure, but how things have escalated lately, I am not surprised to see actions like this.

UPDATE: It's real! WTF!
The ability to block someone from a game should not be in a community manager's hands. This is the fault of the developer and publisher. She thinks it's burning, lol. I don't think so lady. Dream on.
Post edited September 21, 2014 by Garrison72
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Hey guys,

There's a conversation going on in a few places, including KotakuinAction on Reddit, about something that was brought up by Stardock CEO Brad Wardell (Who has been writing on our side actually). Here's the link to his recent blog post: http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/457868/Gamergate_Escalates

He makes mention to us having 5 points that we should be able to at least use as demands. What we want. I asked permission to copy over a post made by the person with the most popular, and what I feel are also the best said, demands.

•Full disclosure of relationships (Financial, personal, or otherwise) between the developer/publisher and journalist/publication. To be included in all articles.

•Fair and professional representation of all sides during debate (Including twitter and other social media directly related to a journalists writing persona) without censorship of opposing opinions. Where disagreement over facts is present both sides should be represented with relevant proof where available.

•Fact checking of all articles. Do not report on issues like harassment and bomb threats without first checking the story is real, then also read into all parties involved and relay histories of similar incidents if a pattern is present.

•Proper representation of gaming's diverse multi-cultural elements. Don't blame 'straight, white, males' for everything. It's extremely unprofessional and deeply offensive to some people.

•A full apology from all involved in Twitter campaigns, 'gamers are dead' articles, and other anti-GG attacks.

I just wanted to see more discussion on this here too.
How about "get your politics out of our games"? That's what this all boils down to, political agendas and underhanded money transfers. There is no social justice going on, it's all bout taking a certain political agenda and pushing it forward with all might. I say let them rot, all that's going to happen is they will backpaddle a little and coat it more.
Gonna repost this so hopefully we can pull people out of the other thread:

Ok, I have a few questions, I'm not really a conspiracy theory person. I work on logic, I work on the fact that I know people and that people follow a degree of twisted logic. You can generally follow it, even if it's logic based on emotions.

Note, this is a thought dump, I'm not bothering to organize my thoughts, just vocalize them

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The mailing list: I've been in IRC Chans, Mumble Servers, MMO Guilds, hell I even play Mafia on the forums here. Even in these groups there's a core group of friends. A mailing list between 15 people who have rotated from site to site? Reasonable. 50-60? Less reasonable. The alleged 150? No, humans don't remember that many people on a regular basis. Even for friends of friends it's a bit excessive.

Let's not also forget that these are websites that are constantly fighting for an increasingly smaller piece of the ad revenue pie as youtubers become more prominent. Talking about what they're going to and what they're not going to print doesn't make sense because these people are also their competitors. So why? Why would you call to moderate a forum that's civil, especially when it isn't your own?

I don't completely buy the idea that they're doing it to progress an agenda, I've seen the list, it's not everyone that has presented that agenda, and there are also plenty of people who are missing from it in general if it was talking about articles. But I'm kinda at a loss to explain.

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Ok, next issue. The suppression of discussion of the ethics surrounding Nathan Greyson's article and if I recall the allegations of him and an games contest judge sleeping with Zoe Quinn

Big Question, short form: Why?

Long Form: The Streissand Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect) has been pretty well documented. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that by suppressing conversation you don't really suppress it, you explode it all over the internet. Hell, confining the conversation to a few places is also the easy way to let it fade away. Most people didn't give a damn to begin with, we rolled our eyes and just moved on with our lives. So why? Why make such a big deal out of it in the forum of The Escapist? Why make such a big deal of it being on Reddit or 4chan?

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August 28, the day of the 'Gamers Are Dead' Articles.

Ok, Big Question, Short Form: WHY?!

Long Form: This has to be the dumbest thing they could have done. And It makes absolutely zero, ZERO sense to me, and I keep trying to wrap my brain around it. It's one of the most unprofessional actions that I have ever witnessed in my life. And it was written so broadly that while the argument could be made that it was only meant to target the assholes, it could have been targeted towards them a lot better.

Most people who work retail get spit on, verbally abused, treated like mental inferiors, and worse because of their jobs. There's a whole subreddit called Tales from Retail, I encourage you to read it if you really don't believe me. But on the clock, they remain professional, they don't scream at everyone, they don't rage in public, they don't take the broadest brush and paint everyone with it. Retail workers.

So what caused this? What made them so angry that instead of ignoring it, instead of pushing it under the rug, instead of calmly trying to have this conversation with everyone, they lashed out like this. Because I have to say, that many articles in a day isn't just random, it isn't a coincidence.

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Ok, big question, and thank you htown for being the one to bring it up because I don't think it was ever mentioned where I could see it.

Why oppose the Gamergate movement like people have? Why try to paint the movement as misogynistic, racist, that we just want our toys to be our toys and no one else can play in the sandbox (Sandbox, seriously it's a fucking beach bigger then the coast of North and South America put together). What do people get out of this, what do people get from the twitter fights, and the circling wagons? Why is it so impossible to get people to accept this, and why has one subgroup who wasn't even the prime focus of this start jumping in like it has?

I...don't know. The only thing I can see is that they lose something if games journalism is forced to adhere to a code of ethics? That they want to desperately claim that Gamers are horrible people for some other reason? This is the thing that doesn't make any sense to me, in fact it's the one thing that makes the least sense. I would have thought that everyone benefits from journalists that are professional and ethical, and articles that are well researched and unbiased. Am I missing something? Please tell me if I am because I can't understand it.
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HiPhish: How about "get your politics out of our games"? That's what this all boils down to, political agendas and underhanded money transfers. There is no social justice going on, it's all bout taking a certain political agenda and pushing it forward with all might. I say let them rot, all that's going to happen is they will backpaddle a little and coat it more.
There's always going to be someone trying to co-opt games for some reason, but 'Get your Politics out of our games' also have the potential to lock down conversation if a politician tries to make attacks on games, because they can't actually cover it. It needs to be an excising of agenda, not an excising of everything that isn't games, because we do at times need to ask question that pertain to games.
Moar:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/21/GameJournoPros-we-reveal-every-journalist-on-the-list

http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/09/22/new-gamejourno-pro-leak-the-email-summaries/

Guess who's absent from the mailing list: Leigh "I AM games journalism!" Alexander and Ian Miles "Rex Exitum/Sol Invictus/Turbofeminist" Cheong.

No wonder these two have been exceptionally loud on this issue. Guess they were just desperate to get their gaming journo overlords to take note.
Post edited September 22, 2014 by fronzelneekburm
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TwilightBard: August 28, the day of the 'Gamers Are Dead' Articles.

Ok, Big Question, Short Form: WHY?!

Long Form: This has to be the dumbest thing they could have done. And It makes absolutely zero, ZERO sense to me, and I keep trying to wrap my brain around it. It's one of the most unprofessional actions that I have ever witnessed in my life. And it was written so broadly that while the argument could be made that it was only meant to target the assholes, it could have been targeted towards them a lot better.
I watched these guys write articles like that for a couple years, just waiting to see when gamers would finally get the light bulb go off above their heads. Writers like John Walker have been pissing on their audience and gamers in general for a few years now. Shit, it would be like you went to buy a car and the car salesman yelled at you and said you were too stupid to drive a car and you should leave and go buy a bicycle. It doesn't make sense. There's a certain amount of lying and patronizing that goes on in marketing and salesmanship. The SJW club broke a cardinal rule when they unleashed their 'gamers are dead' pieces. You want to massage your audience and gently stroke them in order for them to do your bidding. You don't smash them upside the head with a hammer. That's what they did... and continue to do. They're too phony tough or crazy brave to do otherwise.

Why all of them at once? I don't know. It could be a coincidence. I don't think so. Their journalist offensive hit the wrong note at the wrong time and got egg on their faces for their troubles. All I can say about that is 'about goddamn time.' I've been sitting back quietly, waiting for the inevitable gamer backlash that I see as LONG overdue.
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I'm wondering why is the mailing list limited to the round number of 150 people... Must be some kind of VIP club where number of guests is limited :o)
Post edited September 22, 2014 by catpower1980
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fronzelneekburm: Moar:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/21/GameJournoPros-we-reveal-every-journalist-on-the-list

http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/09/22/new-gamejourno-pro-leak-the-email-summaries/

Guess who's absent from the mailing list: Leigh "I AM games journalism!" Alexander and Ian Miles "Rex Exitum/Sol Invictus/Turbofeminist" Cheong.

No wonder these two have been exceptionally loud on this issue. Guess they were just desperate to get their gaming journo overlords to take note.
The beautiful thing about this list? The vast majority are cis white males. And they're accusing gamers of being a good old boys club...
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fronzelneekburm: Moar:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/21/GameJournoPros-we-reveal-every-journalist-on-the-list

http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/09/22/new-gamejourno-pro-leak-the-email-summaries/

Guess who's absent from the mailing list: Leigh "I AM games journalism!" Alexander and Ian Miles "Rex Exitum/Sol Invictus/Turbofeminist" Cheong.

No wonder these two have been exceptionally loud on this issue. Guess they were just desperate to get their gaming journo overlords to take note.
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Garrison72: The beautiful thing about this list? The vast majority are cis white males. And they're accusing gamers of being a good old boys club...
Race guilt. Gender guilt. Class guilt. Mix and serve at your favorite party.

I've had many liberal, hipster type friends. They spend most of their free time wandering around apologizing to random women for having been born with a rape weapon... I mean penis. Their beta conditioning is at MKULTRA level. Their heads are so wrapped around social conditioning that they have become desensitized drone bees searching for a queen bee to give them marching orders. The only things they're missing from being a goofy religious cult are uniforms and a whacky Jim Jones-type leader.
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Garrison72: The beautiful thing about this list? The vast majority are cis white males. And they're accusing gamers of being a good old boys club...
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Emob78: Race guilt. Gender guilt. Class guilt. Mix and serve at your favorite party.

I've had many liberal, hipster type friends. They spend most of their free time wandering around apologizing to random women for having been born with a rape weapon... I mean penis. Their beta conditioning is at MKULTRA level. Their heads are so wrapped around social conditioning that they have become desensitized drone bees searching for a queen bee to give them marching orders. The only things they're missing from being a goofy religious cult are uniforms and a whacky Jim Jones-type leader.
You have my sympathise. There is no sadder thing in this world then an emasculated male with no self-respect...

Also, here is an interview with the man behind the Gamergate tag: Adam Baldwin.