Shadowstalker16: 1.What is a submissive consumer? Who decides who is and is not a submissive consumer? What are the characteristics of a submissive consumer?
Vainamoinen: Pandering to the AAA industry and pressing its standards on indies — what games they're supposed to make and what not — I'd say pretty submissive consumer. Only buying from Steam because "want all my games in one place" and "would lose track of my games if not", very submissive consumer. Thanking EA for microtransactions (yes, that was a thing), very submissive consumer. Issuing tweets like "
Compared to people like that [Ken Levine]
we critics, all critics, are garbage. There is no rung lower, learn some goddamn respect for your betters" — very, very submissive consumer (also, incapable critic).
Shadowstalker16: 2.What constitutes an actual misogynist? Who is an example?
Vainamoinen: A misogynist is a person who hates women.
Davis Aurini passes the test with A++ marks and flying colors.
Shadowstalker16: 3.There is only one feminism?
Vainamoinen: No, read my post again. Of course, some people calling themselves feminist aren't by any measure. Hoff Sommers, for example.
Shadowstalker16: 4.How can the ignorance of an article that has only been out for a few days on a guy's twitter (which is the center for all learned academic activity nowadays) be called proof for stating a community is out for blood? This is paranoia on your part. And you weren't worried when Wu's band of hipster plebs wanted crush gamergate skulls?
Vainamoinen: Thanks for the disdain for academics. In fact, academics were only just beginning to become interested in video games as an art form. Thanks to gamergate, you won't get any funding for studies in that medium any more, thank you very much for setting video games back 30 years, not worth the investigation. That's what gamergate has made out of my hobby, it's seen as too shit for scientific interest.
The falsification of gamergate history is extremely common, and I was only pointing out the very obvious. The hunt for Quinn and Sarkeesian had started way before Baldwin's tag was created. The attacks preceded the desperate search for evidence. And of course the same people set to work. I use the term witch hunt for that reason.
tremere110: Okay, so which extreme pro-gamergate voices have been decalred neutral?
Vainamoinen: E.g. Adam Baldwin, Milo Yiannopoulos, Christina Hoff Sommers, Jordan Owen, Davis Aurini, John Bain, Daniel Vávra, Adrian Chmielarz, Karen Straughan, Daryush Valizadeh and quite a few others. Basically 90% of gamergate agitators.
Some of them were declared neutral right in this thread.
None of them would say they belong to the movement, while they continue to feed specifically gamergate with their hate.
Dictating what games should be made is a two way street. You just can't say no one asked for 23 gender options in Dragon Age Inquisition. There is much stronger hipster rhetoric being flung at AAA developers from the Anti-GG side than from proGGs to the Indie side. There are still indie games with non mainstream tastes; and they are increasing. Styx; The Forest; Mount and Blade.......the list is endless. No one is giving a shit about some trolls who asked Zoe Quinn to make something that is actually a game. Buying or not buying from Steam is a matter of education and convenience. If people were educated into how many ways they were being exploited on Steam; they will switch over. That is if anything a sign of ignorance and nothing more. None of the people I'm familiar with thanked EA for MT$. Either way; they are a small casual minority who do not know what constitutes a game. Bet goes down you wouldn't say a thing if Mother Sarkeesian said those words. Don't pretend Leigh Alexander is anything more than she is; there is evidence from herself and other sources to indicate she is a person who is not fit to be a journalist; critic or anything in between. Her crying out to developers who didn't come to her rescue is just that; pointless whining.
If you're saying a persons who defines feminism as EQUALITY between men and women is not a feminist; who the fuck is a feminist? The ''feminists'' you follow are armchair activists who care shit about equality or women. They see every incident as a mealticket to push their gender superiority agenda and its high time someone called them out for it. You are basically saying you'll take the blank promises of a bigot who's afraid to speak on videos for herself and not take theories from an experienced woman who is a real academic.
You call the woman an academic? People like her do scientific research? The people who can't tolerate to have her bigoted ideals (not theories; fanatical ideals) questioned. Sure gg did that. #GG made Sarkeesian into a money spongin Kickstarter failing bigot who can't talk about games without her trusty Mac beside her; whispering the glory history of the Tumbler kingdom and its various achievements.
