Violence as mature is pretty standard tbh, sex as well, but not usually together in main TV series, though that certainly changed in the last decade. Spartacus was another main runner even before Game of Thrones. Black

That said, I'd easily still watch GoT if they only 'implied' the sex scenes. Not sure about doing without the violence though xD (though omg it has some scene's...)

I'd rather take that, than watch a show where no one dies. People need to die from time to time, and after seeing the trailer I already know who''s going to be the red shirt.
There's a reason why Wrath of Khan is a great movie.

Still, I don't want to see nudity in the show and I expect to see more politics à la Game of Thrones, or even better, à la Mazalan Book of the Fallen. (seriously, why isn't anyone trying to make a show based on the books?)

I'm not saying that they can't have someone die, but there's a big difference between "for the story we want to tell it's necessary for that character to die" and "Game of Thrones is really popular and it kills people all the time, so let's do the same", so that news worries me.

Oh, I hear you, and I hope that they don't take everything from that show and implement it in it, because just like you said, if people die, make us care for them, rather than kill them 2-3 episodes after their introduction.

I don't want to spoil the book, or the show for you ( don't know if you've read or watched the show) or anyone, but there's a character that shows in A Storm of Swords in the book or season 4 for the show that affected me more than the ones that died at the Red Wedding.

Anyway, I hope that the show will be a great hit. I was never a Star Trek fan, ( I'm more of a Star Wars fan, but not these new ones) I did watched every single episode and movie, and although I liked, no, loved The Wrath of Khan and some episodes from Next Generation, I'm still not a fan of it, so I do hope that this one will make me change my mind.

Andy Whitfield made the show, well, him, John Hannah and Lucy Lawless. After his early demise, the show was never the same.

I've read all the books, but the show never looked "right" to me, the look, the cast, everything other than the intro theme just wasn't how I imagined it, so I didn't really watch it after the very beginning. And even the books, much as I liked the first one, I thought it got worse and worse with every volume. And part of it was killing the characters. Even though every volume seem to follow more characters than the previous one, eventually there was simply no one left I gave a crap about, other than maybe one character completely sidelined by the narrative. At this point I have no intention of reading the next book... if there ever is one.

I agree to some extent, the 1st season was best (the prequel miniseries was also fun), 2nd and 3rd season lost much of its focus. Obviously very tragic about Whitfield's death.

Bryan Fuller would turn in his gra... oh wait, he's not even dead yet. Dude needs to come back!!

This made me laugh more than I wanted to. I don't think there's going to be another book, since Martin is going to get more money if he writes 1-2 episode for the show and those short novels than he'd get for the book.
I do agree about the book, especially since most of the kills after the Red Wedding were just for shock. Oh, by the way, since you've read it, the person I cared for was the Red Viper. I do care to some extent for Arya, Daenerys and Tyrion.
Don't get me wrong, there are great characters, like Jaime, Varys, Little Finger, Cersei ( I'm really curious if she's going to meet her end like it was foretold or in a different way) and maybe a few more, but I don't care what happens to them anymore.


I was only talking about the main show, since the prequel was separated from it, even if they added Gannicus, Crixus and a few more in it.
Though, if there's one thing that the show gave us, it's Manu Bennett power, John Hannah charisma and talent, and Lucy Lawless's talent. From the entire cast, I can only remember Dustin Clare ( Gannicus) and Katrina Law (Mira)

Well, most of the characters were somewhat under-developed...obviously the show emphasized other aspects :-)
As a serious treatment of the Spartacus story it was of course somewhat deficient (in this regard I recommend Arthur Koestler's novel "The gladiators"). Still fun though.

Yeah, everyone knows that nudity sells.
Arthur's the one who wrote Darkness at Noon, right? If so, maybe I will give it a try.

Yes, exactly. His Spartacus book is even thematically somewhat complementary to "Darkness at noon", deals with similar issues (the ethical problems about how to ensure the success of a revolution, revolutionaries becoming oppressors themselves etc.). Very interesting read.

Indeed. Space: Above and Beyond, Babylon 5, and even DS9 showed that you don't need misery, dourness and bewbs to be a mature and meaningful sci-fi show.

Even people who have never watched Game of Thrones know it as the show "with the violence and nudity", but in fact it doesn't have anything that hasn't been part of HBO shows for years, and other shows like Spartacus were a lot more explicit. And despite the popular belief, there haven't been that many (permanent) deaths of main characters.

I don't mind killing characters if there is a purpose. In the Song of Ice and Fire books, character deaths usually have serious repercusions for the rest of the characters and make the story advance (note that this is not always the case in the TV show). There is no "plot armor" so when there is a conflict, the question is "Will they survive?" and not "How are they going to survive?". I see no problem if Star Trek: Discovery has character deaths, as long as they are not used just for shock value and they are justified by the story.

*all hope abandoned*