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Posted August 21, 2018
DRM-free approach in games has been at the heart of GOG.COM from day one. We strongly believe that if you buy a game, it should be yours, and you can play it the way it’s convenient for you, and not how others want you to use it.

The landscape has changed since 2008, and today many people don’t realize what DRM even means. And still the DRM issue in games remains – you’re never sure when and why you can be blocked from accessing them. And it’s not only games that are affected, but your favourite books, music, movies and apps as well.

To help understand what DRM means, how it influences your games and other digital media, and what benefits come with DRM-free approach, we’re launching the FCK DRM initiative. The goal is to educate people and ignite a discussion about DRM. To learn more visit https://fckdrm.com, and share your opinions and stories about DRM and how it affects you.
Posted August 21, 2018
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ginfanta: I was surprised to see a quote from Gabe Newell on the https://fckdrm.com/ link.
Wow, well spotted. As someone who was locked out of his Steam library because of a backend Steam bug, and finding I had no redress from their tech support who couldn't figure it out, that is very galling.
Posted August 21, 2018
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reative00: Ok, you got me scared for a second. I thought "The landscape has changed since 2008, and today many people don’t realize what DRM even means. " is gonna be followed by "Therefore we don't see the mandatory galaxy as an issue, thank you for understanding".
Fck, I've got exactly the same...
I had one hundred theories when clicking on the thread and on the sentence mentioned above I thought "God, it must be some joke, it can't be true".

Great suspense, GOG! :D
Posted August 21, 2018
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Pheace: It's at best a convenient distinction to exclude multiplayer from that.
Thanks for making this salient point. It has been saddening to watch GOG slowly slip downhill in this respect.
Posted August 21, 2018
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ginfanta: I was surprised to see a quote from Gabe Newell on the https://fckdrm.com/ link.
Same here, thats why replied and gave my opinion , even made a screenshot just in case :D , many times some big boys like this guy, want to make you feel they think alike, but they do not, at least not for real.

Anyway with a screenshot which many people take nowadays : facebook , twitter and more 'social' media, even from newspapers online because many times some replies/articles magically disappear * poof * like a rabit that pops out of a magicians hat but then the otherway around: the replies are revoked/removed because big boss told them so cause they need to be correct all the time, much like the pressure to be politically correct at any cost.
Posted August 21, 2018
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victorchopin: I don't hate steam from the bottom of my guts but man I was scared when I saw that I had "acquired" licenses. I want games, damn, my games. To own, you know
It seems to me that a lot of people who don't see a problem in DRM - because they don't think the technical limitations affect them - don't care about the principle of the matter either. The language used is a key part of the principle, and using that sort of language is a big part of why I despise DRM.
Posted August 21, 2018
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GOG I appreciate the pitch and I agree on no DRM. But between the literal name of the promo and how you are acting on twitter I'm getting a little uncomfortable if you are telling us everything. If you are who you say you are and what you want.
Posted August 21, 2018
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ssokolow: It is specifically a gallery of places that guarantee their entire catalogue will be DRM-free. (No, I don't know how they reconcile Gwent with that.)
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mechmouse: Because you need to distinguish between software and service

The software is DRM free, but to access the service you need to have an account.

I fully understand that ranked, match making service needs a secure and traceable system, and that requires account authentication.

I believe Gwent will be getting an offline mode at some later point.
Thats why i dont play online :D, and poor simple flashgames online in a browser ( need login aswell) cannot be compared with connecting through a special progarm thats usually needs to be installed or at least writes and collects data from the player.

Anyway i also really hate telemetry like FF loves to do and they say it only got worse, FireFox latest version phone home like crazy, then again win 10 aswell: WIN 10 = a piece of spyware but it has an OS in it, normally an OS might have some spyware in it sending some statistic, but win 10 = spyware.
Posted August 21, 2018
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mechmouse: Steam, the client, is DRM.
No, it isn't. Here's one proof, which is all that is necessary to disprove a claim as broad and incorrect as yours.
Install a DOSBox game you got from GOG. Master of Magic, say. Add it to your Steam library manually. Launch it.
Go back to your Steam client. Launch a game you bought on Steam.
Both games are now running.

You are wrong because you mistakenly associate the clients passing of DRM information with DRM. The client is not DRM. The client helps DRM function. It passes along DRM information. It is not DRM. If it were, then I could not simultaneously run Master of Magic and Hexcells side by side, launched from the Steam client. But I am doing so right now.

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victorchopin: Got me this ps4 game the other day (Assetto Corsa) phisically. Is that a... license? f**c no!
That's a game, period. I own it.
You've never owned a game. You've owned the physical media it came on. You've owned a license to install and use the software. You've never owned a game, and your failure to understand that doesn't change anything. The difficulty in enforcing a license revocation for a game you have in physical media form doesn't mean you own the game - it just means that it's very easy for you to break the law and continue using the software if your license is ever revoked.
Posted August 21, 2018
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As far as DRM goes, most DRM strategies are just dumb. The goal should be to create greater value for customers through service value (...), not by decreasing the value of the product.
-Gabe Newell

That's awesome.
Post edited August 21, 2018 by paladin181
Posted August 21, 2018
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GOG.com: To help understand what DRM means, how it influences your games and other digital media, and what benefits come with DRM-free approach, we’re launching the FCK DRM initiative. The goal is to educate people and ignite a discussion about DRM. To learn more visit https://fckdrm.com, and share your opinions and stories about DRM and how it affects you.
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ZFR: But what does FCK stand for?
Fentucky Cried Khicken
Posted August 21, 2018
Double post. GOG was eating my posts for a minute.
Post edited August 21, 2018 by paladin181
Posted August 21, 2018
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NecDW4: For as long as games have been available to purchase digitally (and movies too) I've been fairly outspoken against them. Back when iTunes first popped up i questioned my friends why they would rather buy their music on a device that could lock them out of it if they did something like forget a password, or change the email associated with their account instead of just buying a CD and being able to rip it for the same music whenever they wanted.

Sadly, it's not really feasible to own everything as physical media these days. I will still only buy my movies on disc, same with my music, and MOST console games but unfortunately Steam holds most of my PC games though ive trended toward GoG when available. Ive never liked the fact that if i buy a game digitally i have no actual ownership of it, that i could lose it for any number of reasons.
Thats easy: iTune is evil, Mac = evil aswell, and the creator was , well a very weird person, 'geniusses' usually are weird but at Apple its really a madbusiness.
I dont want anything ascociated with apple , its worse enough we need mickeysoft and WIN spyware 10, the latests and last windows ever.
Posted August 21, 2018
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Well done. About time someone started a Fight Content Killswitch DRM initiative. ;)

The rise of DRM is the reason I almost stopped buying games. Thank GOG for DRM-free games. If I buy something, I want to be able to use what I have paid for. Ignoring the issue and repeating "It's not gonna happen" does not solve the problem, only postpones it. Everything that is wrong with DRM is clearly explained on the website. I just hope the campaign at least makes people think about it.

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MaxFulvus: You could add itch.io and fireflowergames.com in the drm-free gaming section ^^
I believe FCK DRM cannot add any companies to the list at will. They need to request to be listed.
Posted August 21, 2018
Is the site aimed at anyone other than the already-converted?
Posted August 21, 2018
Shouldn't Itch.io be listed for DRM-free gaming as well?
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