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MightyPinecone: Skimming through this book reminds me of how many good games I have yet to play. Clearly a book for fans, by fans. Cheers!
It's daunting, isn't it? Especially if you can tolerate graphics all the way back to the beginning. I don't know if I could do that. I'd say I'm an Ultima 7 and up guy maybe, or something like that. Still a ton of old stuff yet to explore.

I've gotten better at focusing on the actual genres I like lately, which will hopefully help. I used to buy anything that was cheap enough and had nice screenshots. No more, I say!
I downloaded the book and it is very interesting to read. Can anyone use images from a game in his book without permission from the game's publisher? And does this depend on a country 's laws?
As long as it's used in a non-profit context you're relatively safe I'd imagine.
Might even prompt people to fill the gaps in their libraries, I'm already considering to pick up a few titles I've been sleeping on so far.
A win-win situation (for publishers, developers, gog.com) if I ever saw one.
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Hikage1983: Actually plenty jrpgs were released for the good ol MSX and PC88 computers in japan. Ys being just an example and it is documented. Plenty more ofc.

Other omissions include Blaze and Blade. a rather obscure 1999 pc and ps1 jrpg.

I am drunk atm so memory is limited.

Good effort otherwise.

Peace \m/
Ok, well it was an idea; I haven't read any explanation for the sparse coverage of JRPGs, but I haven't properly read through the book either.

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MightyPinecone: Skimming through this book reminds me of how many good games I have yet to play. Clearly a book for fans, by fans. Cheers!
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StingingVelvet: It's daunting, isn't it? Especially if you can tolerate graphics all the way back to the beginning. I don't know if I could do that. I'd say I'm an Ultima 7 and up guy maybe, or something like that. Still a ton of old stuff yet to explore.

I've gotten better at focusing on the actual genres I like lately, which will hopefully help. I used to buy anything that was cheap enough and had nice screenshots. No more, I say!
Yeah, I no longer buy games just because they're cheap. Graphics don't tend to bother me much, though; after I've been playing for a while I just become used to whatever standard they hold. Clunky UI and poor controls are something I find more difficult to overlook—which can be an issue with old games.
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MightyPinecone: Ok, well it was an idea; I haven't read any explanation for the sparse coverage of JRPGs, but I haven't properly read through the book either.
I think it was just a case in which opening it up to JRPGs would mean the book would become immensely larger and take that much longer to come out, so they stuck mostly to traditional western CRPGs with a few odd exceptions. JRPGs is really a thing that deserves a huge book all on its own.
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MightyPinecone: Ok, well it was an idea; I haven't read any explanation for the sparse coverage of JRPGs, but I haven't properly read through the book either.
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andysheets1975: I think it was just a case in which opening it up to JRPGs would mean the book would become immensely larger and take that much longer to come out, so they stuck mostly to traditional western CRPGs with a few odd exceptions. JRPGs is really a thing that deserves a huge book all on its own.
Could be, if this book took them four years, adding a thorough overview of the JRPGs of the period could easily add yet another few years.
It's a book about computer RPGs. Since most of the classic JRPGs were made for consoles, that leaves them out.
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MightyPinecone: Skimming through this book reminds me of how many good games I have yet to play. Clearly a book for fans, by fans. Cheers!
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StingingVelvet: It's daunting, isn't it? Especially if you can tolerate graphics all the way back to the beginning. I don't know if I could do that. I'd say I'm an Ultima 7 and up guy maybe, or something like that. Still a ton of old stuff yet to explore.
I've got no delusions about about ever playing most of the old games I missed. Especially as time consuming as most RPGs. That would mean missing out on most of the new stuff, and even then I'd likely never play all the old games, there's just so many. I mean, just now I'm about 25 hours into Original Sin, and I feel I barely scratched the surface and the sequel is already out. Before I ever get to that Larian is likely to finish a new game :D
This is quite the feat (only skimmed through a few pages so far), hat's off to everyone involved, and especially to Felipe Pepe for all their hard work and dedication.

Now to see how long it'll take me to go through its entirety...
Man, I would love to see this as an EPUB so I can easily read it on my tablet. I tried converting it using Calibre, and the results weren't great
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StingingVelvet: It's daunting, isn't it? Especially if you can tolerate graphics all the way back to the beginning. I don't know if I could do that. I'd say I'm an Ultima 7 and up guy maybe, or something like that. Still a ton of old stuff yet to explore.
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Breja: I've got no delusions about about ever playing most of the old games I missed. Especially as time consuming as most RPGs. That would mean missing out on most of the new stuff, and even then I'd likely never play all the old games, there's just so many. I mean, just now I'm about 25 hours into Original Sin, and I feel I barely scratched the surface and the sequel is already out. Before I ever get to that Larian is likely to finish a new game :D
From around 2008 to 2011 I went through a phase of seeking out many of the old RPGs I'd missed, but that was mostly a response to the state of the industry. The genre was at a low point just before crowdfunding. Now keeping up with the latest releases is difficult enough without delving into the past.
Post edited February 08, 2018 by markrichardb
I remember a post from projects editor/compiler/creator (or whatever the role would be called) explaining the JRPG thing. To prevent the project being too large he had to put a line somewhere and he chose only games commercially (or sometimes freely) released on computers...as in CRPG's. So PC counts, as does C64, Apple II etc. Consoles are consoles. So JRPG's like Ys and FF VII are in the book because they released commercially on home computer platforms. Shining Force, Phantasy star etc are not in the book because they were console only releases originally, even though they are now available on Steam using emulation- that doesn't count.

If someone wants to do a book about JRPG console games, that would be a great idea and I'd download and read that one as well (it won't be me doing it though, I'm too lazy). But this one was never meant to be that book.

To people asking about a link to the list of games...the book is a small free download. How come you don't just download it and look in the contents? The contents table even has nice convenient hyper links that take you directly to the game page.
Post edited February 08, 2018 by CMOT70
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dtgreene: Found the list from a Twitter post, and my one complaint is the complete lack of JRPG representation. JRPGs are CRPGs too! I note that many early JRPGs are integral to the history of CRPGs (in particular, the original Dragon Quest is interesting from a historical perspective, particularly how different it is from the rest of the series), and the best JRPGs are, without question, better than the worst WRPGs (and likely better than the worst WRPGs on the list).

Does the full book cover JRPGs (at least the most notable ones), or is the author one of those who doesn't think JRPGs are real RPGs? (Remember, the term WRPG exists if you want to specifically refer to that type of game.)

Also, does anyone have a link to a list of all the games covered in the book?

(Some other notable JRPGs; Final Fantasy (who originally copied its magic system from Wizardry), SaGa series (a series that does things differently, starting with influence from a non-D&D TRPG, and later evolving into something that straddles the line between JRPG and WRPG), and Undertale (if it counts, it is a rather unique game that has heavy JRPG influence, but does its own thing in many respects).

(I'm just annoyed at the many WRPG elitests out there, who think that WRPGs are the only true CRPGs; sure, WRPGs are great (at least the good ones; I am pretty sure that garbage WRPGs exist, but that can be said of any genre, including JRPGs), but they're not the only style out there.

(There's also issues with the RPGCodex forum not being a nice place, but that's another story, and hopefully not one that affects the content or quality of the book itself.)
Do these qualify?

Ys the vanished omens
Ys II: The Final Chapter
Undertale
Valkyria Chronicles
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky
Tale of Wuxia
Sengoku Rance
The Last Remnant

They're all either reviewed or at least mentioned. That's only the ones I recognize as likely JRPG/non-WRPG candidates.
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CMOT70: If someone wants to do a book about JRPG console games, that would be a great idea and I'd download and read that one as well (it won't be me doing it though, I'm too lazy). But this one was never meant to be that book.

To people asking about a link to the list of games...the book is a small free download. How come you don't just download it and look in the contents? The contents table even has nice convenient hyper links that take you directly to the game page.
Personally, I think it would be interesting to compare JRPGs, especially early JRPGs, to the WRPGs of their time.

The problem with even a small download is that it requrest a download and isn't in the native format that web browsers could understand; having a simple text list would solve that problem. Remember that not everyone browses the web with a modern fully featured web browser (I often use lynx, for example).

(Also, I don't know how accessible this book is to screen readers and similar assistive technology.)