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Posted February 07, 2018
Great work! Thanks for the links!
Posted February 07, 2018
I contributed the TRON 2.0 review in the book. :D (It does fit what some would agree is the definition of a CRPG, even if it's going to be far from the first title that springs to mind for most people.)

I hope one of the major media outlets covers its release. It's quite an achievement and more people should be made aware of it. I'm looking forward to the day when a hard copy edition becomes available.
Post edited February 07, 2018 by redrain85
Posted February 07, 2018
This is simply amazing and it should be stickied for all to see and read. Thank you very much!
Posted February 07, 2018
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I had a look at the top 70 at rpgcodex but I wouldn't even touch half of them. So old school I find it very hard to bother, these games need a lot of time for tasks irrelevant to enjoying the game, such as inventory management, movement etc. It's 2018, only a masochist would play Daggerfall today :p
Posted February 07, 2018
Skimming through this book reminds me of how many good games I have yet to play. Clearly a book for fans, by fans. Cheers!
Post edited February 08, 2018 by MightyPinecone
Posted February 07, 2018
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Zadalon: I had a look at the top 70 at rpgcodex but I wouldn't even touch half of them. So old school I find it very hard to bother, these games need a lot of time for tasks irrelevant to enjoying the game, such as inventory management, movement etc. It's 2018, only a masochist would play Daggerfall today :p
Coincidentally, I recently started binging on The Elder Scrolls again, from the beginning. Making my way through Arena now; Daggerfall is next on the list ;)
Posted February 07, 2018
Wow. Just wow. I've checked on this a few times over the years, and it's great to see it done.

And I'd pay that "over $60" for a physical copy. Just sayin'.
Posted February 07, 2018
Props to whoever spend four years researching/cataloging/writing this outstanding piece of work. This should be turned into a book or a website and stored in a museum.
Posted February 07, 2018
Geez, I need to check that ASAP!
Posted February 07, 2018
This is the most definite encyclopaedia I've seen. I'll certainly spend some time reading it; seems very well written.
Posted February 08, 2018
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Found the list from a Twitter post, and my one complaint is the complete lack of JRPG representation. JRPGs are CRPGs too! I note that many early JRPGs are integral to the history of CRPGs (in particular, the original Dragon Quest is interesting from a historical perspective, particularly how different it is from the rest of the series), and the best JRPGs are, without question, better than the worst WRPGs (and likely better than the worst WRPGs on the list).

Does the full book cover JRPGs (at least the most notable ones), or is the author one of those who doesn't think JRPGs are real RPGs? (Remember, the term WRPG exists if you want to specifically refer to that type of game.)

Also, does anyone have a link to a list of all the games covered in the book?

(Some other notable JRPGs; Final Fantasy (who originally copied its magic system from Wizardry), SaGa series (a series that does things differently, starting with influence from a non-D&D TRPG, and later evolving into something that straddles the line between JRPG and WRPG), and Undertale (if it counts, it is a rather unique game that has heavy JRPG influence, but does its own thing in many respects).

(I'm just annoyed at the many WRPG elitests out there, who think that WRPGs are the only true CRPGs; sure, WRPGs are great (at least the good ones; I am pretty sure that garbage WRPGs exist, but that can be said of any genre, including JRPGs), but they're not the only style out there.

(There's also issues with the RPGCodex forum not being a nice place, but that's another story, and hopefully not one that affects the content or quality of the book itself.)
Posted February 08, 2018
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mannefriedrich: crpgbook.wordpress.com/2018/02/05/update-19-crpg-book-released

Direct link:
crpgbook.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/crpg_book_1-0-1.pdf
Thanks so much for posting this and letting the GOG community know about this book. It is very comprehensive and I agree with others here in saying that I would pay for it, so it is a blessing that it is available for free.
Posted February 08, 2018
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dtgreene: Found the list from a Twitter post, and my one complaint is the complete lack of JRPG representation. JRPGs are CRPGs too! I note that many early JRPGs are integral to the history of CRPGs (in particular, the original Dragon Quest is interesting from a historical perspective, particularly how different it is from the rest of the series), and the best JRPGs are, without question, better than the worst WRPGs (and likely better than the worst WRPGs on the list).

Does the full book cover JRPGs (at least the most notable ones), or is the author one of those who doesn't think JRPGs are real RPGs? (Remember, the term WRPG exists if you want to specifically refer to that type of game.)

Also, does anyone have a link to a list of all the games covered in the book?

(Some other notable JRPGs; Final Fantasy (who originally copied its magic system from Wizardry), SaGa series (a series that does things differently, starting with influence from a non-D&D TRPG, and later evolving into something that straddles the line between JRPG and WRPG), and Undertale (if it counts, it is a rather unique game that has heavy JRPG influence, but does its own thing in many respects).

(I'm just annoyed at the many WRPG elitests out there, who think that WRPGs are the only true CRPGs; sure, WRPGs are great (at least the good ones; I am pretty sure that garbage WRPGs exist, but that can be said of any genre, including JRPGs), but they're not the only style out there.

(There's also issues with the RPGCodex forum not being a nice place, but that's another story, and hopefully not one that affects the content or quality of the book itself.)
You can read the full book for yourself, it's linked to in the OP. I think the reason for the lack of JRPGs is that they tend to be published for consoles, and not for PCs (which is were I believe they drew the line). They have a short section dedicated to JRPGs towards the end, but it's very brief. There are also a few JRPGs in the main review section, but I suspect that they had a PC release in connection to their console release (I'm not talking about getting released to Steam many years later). I am too lazy to verify this, however.
Post edited February 08, 2018 by MightyPinecone
Posted February 08, 2018
Actually plenty jrpgs were released for the good ol MSX and PC88 computers in japan. Ys being just an example and it is documented. Plenty more ofc.

Other omissions include Blaze and Blade. a rather obscure 1999 pc and ps1 jrpg.

I am drunk atm so memory is limited.

Good effort otherwise.

Peace \m/
Posted February 08, 2018
I'm reading this at the moment and it's a very interesting read. You can practically feel the love for games ooze off the pages.
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