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richlind33: If you spent some time studying informal logic, you'd probably understand why appealing to authority is a logical fallacy.
When I am calling to defer to ACTUAL authorities on the subject, rather than quacks and internet posters? No it is not.
A non-fallacious argument from authority grounds a claim in the beliefs of one or more authoritative source(s), whose opinions are likely to be true on the relevant issue.
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Hey to all y'all low rating ANYONE here during a pandemic...why not go take care of your families and loved ones? Or is pushing a minus button a bunch a more important thing atm to some of y'all?

Priorities, y'all....priorities.
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Niggles: Some of the locals here are very adamant we need to close schools and close businessesgo into immediate lockdowns. Selfish.
I'd say if there is the possibility of home-education through e-learning you can have a de-centralized school. This virus is all about spreading whenever people get too close and cozy to each other. Just don't let strangers snuggle you up and after a little over two months any of these "corona regulations" can be somewhat lifted. You can't get wholly rid of it but its all about constant spreading. The more people get infected at a slower pace, the less likely it is possible for the virus to infect the elderly.

Its a huge demand, but I think its necissary. Don't have lets say more than 3 people close to each other. As an example, risks of infection are close to 0% when you work as a postal worker as an example and as long as you stay for less than 15 minutes close to somebody in a conversation the risks of infection gets exponentially worse. Conversation should be around 1.5 meters between you and the other during that time. These demands now don't seem too doom and gloom now even if everyone is involved into this.

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babark: "When I am calling to defer to ACTUAL authorities on the subject, rather than quacks and internet posters? No it is not."

*links to a authoriative source of people who know about the subject online*

A non-fallacious argument from authority grounds a claim in the beliefs of one or more authoritative source(s), whose opinions are likely to be true on the relevant issue.
I think your point is somewhat valid if its from an expert themselves (like a scientific source or from a philosopher), but its kinda ironic that you had to post an internet source to make your point. The people on Rationalwiki themselves even state that they're just doing this for fun and entertainment value. It seems paradoxical to me but I might be wrong ;)!

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DadJoke007: Alcohol works as an antiseptic and I plan on including tons of it in my diet to stay healthy. People who drink lots of alcohol are less prone to get infected by various diseases.

Just add some orange juice to your vodka and you're golden.
I'm glad that joke is in your name. Don't overextend drinking alcohol as the virus doesn't care but also has an easier time damaging your lungs.
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Niggles: Some of the locals here are very adamant we need to close schools and close businessesgo into immediate lockdowns. Selfish.
Sounds like you are the selfish one and it seems like it to me that you want people to get sick or risk peoples health to get sick to satisfy you. This virus is nothing to play around with.
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Fender_178: This virus is nothing to play around with.
Thing is this situation has me wondering a bit:

If the virus is not so bad then it's likely we don't need such strong measures.

If it is then they likely won't be enough.
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And then I start to think as well: if we(as a planet) have to live like this for 6+months or even longer is that even a life?

(People staying away from each other.....never hugging/kissing/shaking hands, no large gatherings, everyone shut in their homes afraid to even step outside....to me that is worse than hell)
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GameRager: if we(as a planet) have to live like this for 6+months or even longer is that even a life?
Don't know why you're complaining, didn't you once write that you're basically a socially isolated recluse, so does it really change your personal life that much?
Anyway, if there was a coherent strategy, imo there would be a good chance the worst restrictions could be relaxed again after 1-2 months (which would at least give time to ramp up production of protective gear and testing kits, expand hospital capacities etc.). But looks like more likely there'll be ineffective half-measures for some time, with an even worse end result.
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Fender_178: This virus is nothing to play around with.
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GameRager: Thing is this situation has me wondering a bit:

If the virus is not so bad then it's likely we don't need such strong measures.

If it is then they likely won't be enough.
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And then I start to think as well: if we(as a planet) have to live like this for 6+months or even longer is that even a life?

(People staying away from each other.....never hugging/kissing/shaking hands, no large gatherings, everyone shut in their homes afraid to even step outside....to me that is worse than hell)
With me I am not taking any chances because I have two elderly parents which this virus is fatal towards. I work for a Internet/Phone and TV company and they are still open since Telecom is very important. But i am not risking my health for a job it's not worth it.
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morolf: Don't know why you're complaining, didn't you once write that you're basically a socially isolated recluse, so does it really change your personal life that much?
I still like things like game stores, eating out(rare but sometimes I do it), etc.

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morolf: Anyway, if there was a coherent strategy, imo there would be a good chance the worst restrictions could be relaxed again after 1-2 months (which would at least give time to ramp up production of protective gear and testing kits, expand hospital capacities etc.). But looks like more likely there'll be ineffective half-measures for some time, with an even worse end result.
1-2 months or a bit more I am fine with(as I expect most would be).....it's if it goes much beyond that or if people turn into pseudo hyprochondriacs over this & the world changes en masse....that sort of outcome is what worries me.
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Fender_178: With me I am not taking any chances because I have two elderly parents which this virus is fatal towards. I work for a Internet/Phone and TV company and they are still open since Telecom is very important. But i am not risking my health for a job it's not worth it.
That's fair.....I have an elderly parent as well and don't want to lose them either.

I just don't want other people's worries to impact everyone else's lives for too long and for life to get back to normal at some point, is all.
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GameRager: 1-2 months or a bit more I am fine with(as I expect most would be).....it's if it goes much beyond that or if people turn into pseudo hyprochondriacs over this & the world changes en masse....that sort of outcome is what worries me.
Extreme lockdown won't be sustainable over very long periods, in that sense the proposal by the Imperial college study (lockdown for two thirds of the next 18 months) was probably unrealistic and counter-productive. But a lot of the "think of the economy!" types already seem to think a few weeks are an overreaction...I get the impression those people think nothing should be done at all. imo that's insane when you see what's already going on in Italy and Spain. Letting this epidemic run its course unimpeded will also have disastrous consequences, not just in human terms (with possibly many hundreds of thousands of deaths in each major country), but also economically.
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morolf: But a lot of the "think of the economy!" types already seem to think a few weeks are an overreaction...I get the impression those people think nothing should be done at all. imo that's insane when you see what's already going on in Italy and Spain.
I also think some of those "do nothing" types are dumb(with regards to this).

If we'd locked down ALL TRAVEL into or out of all countries from "day one" this likely would've been a lot easier for countries to handle and less people would be sick with this.

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morolf: Letting this epidemic run its course unimpeded will also have disastrous consequences, not just in human terms (with possibly many hundreds of thousands of deaths in each major country), but also economically.
The problem imo is that if we(humanity) went into total lockdown for too long/too many times a bunch would likely die from other causes tied to said lockdowns(and I am guessing if this one fails they'd likely try[and people would push for] another one)....so at some point the people in power & society will have to make a choice, I think......and that idea/likely eventuality is a very sobering one.
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GameRager: If we'd locked down ALL TRAVEL into or out of all countries from "day one" this likely would've been a lot easier for countries to handle and less people would be sick with this.
Sure, I totally agree with this, I was already thinking back in January that it's kind of stupid not to put any restrictions on international travel, given what was going on in China. But unfortunately open borders dogma was more important, and as a consequence of that we're now in a truly terrible situation without any good options. imo there's no alternative now to a lockdown in many western countries, obviously it has to be evaluated after 6-8 weeks (which was about the time it took to have an effect in China).
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morolf: ...obviously it has to be evaluated after 6-8 weeks (which was about the time it took to have an effect in China).
Imo they should set a date then lock the entire country down....except essentials....then we would at least have a date to look forward to(even if they had to push it back a few weeks more) to to lift our collective spirits/hopes, and also the total lockdown nationwide might help it get cleared up faster and keep it from affecting too many more people.
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GameRager: Imo they should set a date then lock the entire country down....except essentials....then we would at least have a date to look forward to(even if they had to push it back a few weeks more) to to lift our collective spirits/hopes, and also the total lockdown nationwide might help it get cleared up faster and keep it from affecting too many more people.
I pretty much agree with that. imo there also needs to be a coherent strategy communicated to the public, the worst thing so far for me has been the impression that political elites (in Germany, but also in other western countries) are incompetent and are just muddling through, without any clear plans, even for obvious problems like the shortages of facemasks.
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morolf: I pretty much agree with that. imo there also needs to be a coherent strategy communicated to the public, the worst thing so far for me has been the impression that political elites (in Germany, but also in other western countries) are incompetent and are just muddling through, without any clear plans, even for obvious problems like the shortages of facemasks.
Over here the govt could make some companies go into "war production/emergency production" and other powers(like during prior crisis/wars), yet for some reason the president is just dithering around....saying things like that "he hopes they'll do the right thing".

Yes, some have stepped up to the plate, but not as many as could be doing so.

It's the same thing with the proposed cash payouts to those who need it...the president could likely say "we need this" and order it done, yet he and the govt would rather play around for weeks posturing on how it's done(more like bickering over who gets what and who gets credit for what).
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GameRager:
Politicians in Germany are playing stupid political games as well, there have been rows between the minister presidents of Bavaria and North-Rhine-Westphalia over how to proceed (they both probably want to succeed Merkel as chancellor, so there's a rivalry who comes across as the better crisis manager). Pretty pathetic imo.
One problem of course is that so much medical equipment and drugs are manufactured in China nowadays, more needs to be done to ramp up emergency production capabilities in western countries.