I knew it....now people are "quarantine shaming"(i.e. panicking over even small groups of people meeting while doing the proper things to not spread the sickness+keep everyone safe). --------------------------

Imo Evangeline Lilly said what I want to in the best way possible:

"I am also immune compromised. I have two young kids. Some people value their lives over freedom, some people value freedom over their lives. We all make our choices. With love and respect.”

I wonder if this pandemic will single-handedly kill Italy's tradition of cheek kissing.

That attitude is why this will turn into a completely unmitigated disaster in most Western countries. You haven't even been put under any serious restrictions so far, and yet you're already complaining all the time. Some of the things mentioned in that MSN article (people not wearing face masks at work even when they're having them provided, coughing into their hands and touching everything; bars still being open and accepting hundreds of customers) are just crazy at this point, and should be the target of shaming imo.

I have been compiling useful resources on my blog for the past few weeks.
https://dr-flay.vivaldi.net/covid-19/

She seems to just be saying people shouldn't look down on those consenting adults that choose to value such things as long as they keep to themselves/not infect anyone(or try to). To me that seems more reasonable than those who do much stupider things.

It's sadly likely only a matter of time, given how things are, though.

(We already have some states where officials are forcing their way into people's homes to test all in the homes of those who are infected)

I meant more like the one guy who hosted a dinner with a small group where everyone sat far apart, used sanitizer, washed their hands, etc & still got shamed for it......I agree on the other stuff you mentioned here being bad ideas.

To GameRager : First, sorry, for my bad english :
For myself, I'm genuinely curious to know how many people that cherish their own rights over anything else, will ask for the army to kill people who don't respect confinement.

If I say that it's because, here in France, we are in a confinement state :
- you can go shopping (well, not everywhere, mainly for food),
- you must stay 1 meter and a half (about 5 feet ?) of other when shopping, walking...
- but you MUST go to work (with what if means of being near other in transports, or at work without masks...) if you can't work at home ;
- you can walk around your home but can't go to seaside;
- you can't make gathering (playing sport like soccer or talking with group of people in the street);

But some people don't respect those rules and still gather every day in some suburbs and don't obey the police.

Doing so, they : spread the disease among them, then among their family, to people who then go at work, and can spread the disease outside their suburbs.

I'm then asking this :
- many people in France (mostly extreme-right, racist people, FOR NOW) are asking for the army to "clean" this.
- how long and how many more deathes (I think we will be near Italy's count in a tenth of day) before a majority of people will ask for the army not only to scatter the gathering ones, but to shoot at them if they don't obey ?

And if this happens, and if (that makes a lot of If, but I think it can go fast) governement approves :
- what will remains of democracy after that ?

But I'm also quite sure that capitalism (be it a USA type capitalism or a Chinese capitalism) is NOT compatible with democracy, and that we are just experiencing with Covid how much capitalism and free market just can't take care of people and people fundamental* rights when a worldwide disaster occurs. And Covid-19 is just a "small" disaster in comparison with what global warming (which is a direct consequence of consumerism and productivism (be it from free market or "socialist" countries) is going to cost us.

*fundamental definition is a very individual defintion... Myself, I don't think wearing a gun is a fundamental right neither having billions of dollars but getting enough food/heat/education/free health system**... are.

** Why a free health system : because it's the best (maybe even unique) way to stop a pandemy like this one.
How many people will be able to pay 35,000 $ just to test if they have Covid ?
How many people will go to work with COvid and spread it knowing that if they don't they won't get paid, they won't have the means to cure themselves ?
How many people will die at home, not being able to pay the thousands of dollars needed to stay 15 days at hospital ?
How many people will die starving because after the severe forms of Covid (about 20% of the infected) they will need about 4-6 months to be able to work ?
And then, for the 'I love entreprises over people' type : how many entreprises will be killed because they won't have enough of their workers (you know, the things that cost so much and are always complaining but don't make wealth) able to work ? Or, as workers MAY be hired from other countries : to who will you sell your goods and services ?
We will see if billionaires are of so much use and wealth producers.
I'm just quite sure that tomorrow, our civilisation will still be there, it will be not because Billionaires will donate some millions, but because, every day doctors, underpaid nurses, underpaid supermarket cashier, underpaid truck drivers, underpaid state employees are working and will still work risking their life.

But I'm quite sure than thousand of Billions (from taxes) will go to stock markets gamble and speculative funds, and only a few pennies to fundamental research and people health system.
And people will complain (well, in countries they have the right to) about the pennies, and not the Billions.

please don't tell me you had this story in mind when stating the above

Excellent questions, francksteel. When the social contract is held in contempt by those who wield power, and all around corruption holds sway, we have nothing to hold onto except wishful thinking. Our "leaders" will be only too happy to oblige those who cry out for order and public safety. And when the crisis has passed, and the masses wish to live as they had before, they will be informed that order and public safety dictate otherwise, because just like "terrorism", this new threat will remain a permanent feature of our dystopian wonderland.

Not a problem/no worries.....also your english seems ok on my end.

(Also sorry for not replying to everything...I am somewhat tired atm[going to bed in a bit]. Also some of your questions I don't know how best to answer at the moment, or already answered with others bits of my reply here)

I don't worry about that at the moment, but some have been pushing for people to be jailed or worse over "minor" things(like just going outside) ..which is somewhat unsettling(safety is important, but I think being humane and caring about one's fellow man is also important).

That sounds terrible for those who are affected. :\

Who knows. :\

Some insurances supposedly will be covering the cost of testing(and possibly other medical care as well), so that shouldn't be a problem....now getting a test during all this might be somewhat hard, but that's going to likely be more due to limited number of testing supplies than cost....at least in the US.
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No, I meant another story I read(I think on MSN) that said supposedly they are coming into people's homes(under orders) to test people in the US who live with those found to be infected, and that they are also supposedly quarantining the whole household for 2+ weeks(with health officials monitoring to make sure it's followed).
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I tend to hold out some small bit of hope that people wouldn't let that sort of thing go unchecked(people keeping these restrictions in place even beyond the time needed to get rid of this problem/etc).....hopefully it's not unfounded.

(BTW did you see my clip from V For Vendetta in an earlier post? I think it fits what's going on now very well, tbh[i.e. People giving up a good number of things for safety/out of fear])

Shaming is not the answer... reminds me of these ignorant mobs that from time to time resurfaces (and most of these illiterates writes like a 11 year old anyway). What about people working at food shops? They touch everything. Or health personnel that chronically can't refrain from touching people... Why aren't they being shamed? O_o

Not long ago we had a fad of fat shaming - now it's quarantine shaming. I perfectly understand the need to incarcerate people who willingly coughs at people publicly (and/or a hefty fine), but seriously, I also understand why people want to vacate to their huts up in the mountains (which is a major issue in Norway right now apparently).

EDIT: I can't remember if I ever saw V for vendetta...

People getting crap behind their backs for not wearing a masks. Funny thing is none of them are brave enough to confront the guy, who is under no obligation. WHO and CDC do not recommend masks for people who are not ill but people form their own views and the terrified ones hate it when people don't. Can't be enforced legally.

I never wear a mask, would be strange if someone could sneeze in my face. It has been proven to reduce emissions from sick people but I haven't seen anything suggesting it helps those who are not already sick.

They are so careless and put others at risk with their ignorance. The police should take them away before they infect others!

Absolutely! We should slam every bi-pedal humans into small containers for all eternity so they can never infect others ever again!

I didn't say that , you are just acting toxic here... reported.