Posted January 01, 2018
Geralt_of_Rivia
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Registered: Apr 2009
From Austria
Elvis is Dead
Find me in STEAM OT
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Cavalary
RIP GoodOldGOG:DRMfree,one price,goodies,community
Registered: May 2011
From Romania
Posted January 01, 2018
*growls*
No, didn't even read it, too angry at just the thought of what'd be there with the current crowd.
And your post starts by singing praises and then is very apologetic about gently pointing out a few long-term issues that had promised fixes but keep being ignored, including the simple installer toggle thing that was a very specific promise.
And saying what you can means knowing things and not telling them, which is akin to GOG staff's position, not the community's. Though of course the regional pricing issue remains my hill to die on (until there will be DRM (including any sort of requirement for a connection or client, whether for installing or playing or applying patches) on the single player side of a game, but at least then I'm hoping the outrage will crush them, show there is at least that one line they won't be allowed to cross and survive... though sadly I doubt it'll happen even then) and in that case no excuse can count (but yeah, would be funny to see them try to show evidence of their claim of at least trying to push for flat pricing for all but the discount regions). But stuff keeps piling up anyway, it was regional pricing, it was GWENT (its model, more specifically), now it's a growing list of games not getting patched or even getting stripped versions of them here. What next?
Gah!
And the thing is still that they grabbed this idea of doing something right in this rotten industry and ran away with it, blocking any realistic chance of anyone else taking their place once they turned around.
No, didn't even read it, too angry at just the thought of what'd be there with the current crowd.
And your post starts by singing praises and then is very apologetic about gently pointing out a few long-term issues that had promised fixes but keep being ignored, including the simple installer toggle thing that was a very specific promise.
And saying what you can means knowing things and not telling them, which is akin to GOG staff's position, not the community's. Though of course the regional pricing issue remains my hill to die on (until there will be DRM (including any sort of requirement for a connection or client, whether for installing or playing or applying patches) on the single player side of a game, but at least then I'm hoping the outrage will crush them, show there is at least that one line they won't be allowed to cross and survive... though sadly I doubt it'll happen even then) and in that case no excuse can count (but yeah, would be funny to see them try to show evidence of their claim of at least trying to push for flat pricing for all but the discount regions). But stuff keeps piling up anyway, it was regional pricing, it was GWENT (its model, more specifically), now it's a growing list of games not getting patched or even getting stripped versions of them here. What next?
Gah!
And the thing is still that they grabbed this idea of doing something right in this rotten industry and ran away with it, blocking any realistic chance of anyone else taking their place once they turned around.
51nikopol
I point an click
Registered: Sep 2011
From Canada
Posted January 01, 2018
I would love to start off 2018 with a request for The Testament of Sherlock Holmes. I hope everyone has a healthy and happy 2018.
Andrey82
New User
Registered: Jun 2016
From Russian Federation
Posted January 01, 2018
Is King's Bounty: Dark Side still available?
Gerin
AB Normal
Registered: May 2010
From United States
Posted January 01, 2018
May I have Seven Kingdoms 2?
tomyam80
Not-So-New User
Registered: Feb 2011
From Singapore
Posted January 01, 2018
I've been thinking about it and I'm not really sure what to do. You guys are right, we don't want it to be unfair. At the same time, I don't want to discourage nominations overall, since that's a fairly ingrained tradition here and arguably important in its own right. I can't think of any rule I could implement that would fix it properly, the best solution I can figure is the "gentleman's agreement" Vyraexii said. If anybody has any suggestions, I'm open to hearing 'em.
For now, in terms of BenKii's current nomination list, how about this:
I'll inform the nominees that the games are available and they're welcome to come grab them, but won't "reserve" it like is normally done for nominations. Does that work?
So i think a gd & simple way is 2 limit the no of nominations per pax as well as nominations 2 the games 2 the 3rd day of the month. As 4 how many nominations r allowed, this is entirely up 2 zeogold 2 decide of cos.
This wld solve all the potential unhappiness that may hv arise & other ppl wld still hv a couple of days 2 ask 4 games b4 nominations starts. ;)
P.S: Was actually thinking of asking 4 a Sherlock game as a new yr game gift 4 myself, haha. But since TT_TT_TT_TT was nominated 4 it already i think it's only right that he gets the chance 2 get (or refused) the game 1st.
Anyway, happy NY 2 all. Hope 2018 will be a better 4 u all than 2017, cheers! ^_^
Post edited January 01, 2018 by tomyam80
MarkoH01
The goose rules!
Registered: Jun 2009
From Germany
Posted January 01, 2018
No, didn't even read it, too angry at just the thought of what'd be there with the current crowd.
And your post starts by singing praises and then is very apologetic about gently pointing out a few long-term issues that had promised fixes but keep being ignored, including the simple installer toggle thing that was a very specific promise.
Which is not here because of GOG - proven by the fact that they are paying the difference out of their pocket.
Agreed though it woould still be kind of funny if a CDPR game would not be on their own store. They must have known that people would react this way but I don't expect them to remove their own game. Still it is ONE game out of over 2000 - I don't see any trend here.
With that being said: That's all I wil say to this. You obviously are not able or willing to look at this in a pure logical and economical way. In business you sometimes will have to make a compromise just to to survive and every busines needs to grow to be able to survive. That is a simple economic fact.
Post edited January 01, 2018 by MarkoH01
bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted January 01, 2018
Even as someone prone to tangents, I think this particularly line of conversation is best had elsewhere to avoid derailing, since the GA is about the community of users rather than GOG policy or as a company.
On the matter of nominations, particularly as someone who recently benefited, I totally appreciate where Benkii is coming from, and I hope he's not taking this response from folks as a poke at his effort and thoughtfulness.
I guess my POV is similar to the fairest of all foxens, in that if I were ruler of GOGworld I'd just cap nominations at 1-3 per week or per month or whatever is easiest for zeo to administer/track/enforce. That way people are still free to nominate in cases they feel strongly about, yet without blowing out the supply of in-demand games in a moment en masse.
It also reduces the number of people the mod has to chase down (harder with default chat settings) to see if they're interested vs. people who have directly indicated interest.
Personally I think noms are an important part of drawing new people (and bringing back people who had wandered off), but balance/ease/fairness are considerations too.
On the matter of nominations, particularly as someone who recently benefited, I totally appreciate where Benkii is coming from, and I hope he's not taking this response from folks as a poke at his effort and thoughtfulness.
I guess my POV is similar to the fairest of all foxens, in that if I were ruler of GOGworld I'd just cap nominations at 1-3 per week or per month or whatever is easiest for zeo to administer/track/enforce. That way people are still free to nominate in cases they feel strongly about, yet without blowing out the supply of in-demand games in a moment en masse.
It also reduces the number of people the mod has to chase down (harder with default chat settings) to see if they're interested vs. people who have directly indicated interest.
Personally I think noms are an important part of drawing new people (and bringing back people who had wandered off), but balance/ease/fairness are considerations too.
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted January 01, 2018
Also keep in mind that we want TGCA to be not-so-much for zeo to manage. He's already doing a lot and to increase his workload on how to manage the GA is not cool. Him having to keep track of how many games a user nominated and when or whatever else is a bunch of stuff that should be avoided as much as possible. I don't think there needs to be a rule. Common sense, dialogue discussion, and simply "working things out" makes sense (which is how it seems to have gone and I think is great! That's how good community works!)
I like the idea of people who want to nominate someone simply sending those people a PM and notifying them a game they think they might want is available (I like this the best.) I like the idea of not being able to make nominations for the 1st week of a new month. I like the idea of # of nominations being limited in a month (to like 3 or 5?) I like the idea of being able to nominate someone but that nomination doesn't reserve the game or trigger zeo PMing the nominee about it. To elaborate on that last idea:
perhaps the nominations could only be something that get "resolved" after the month is over. I nominate someone for whatever game on the 10th of the month but zeo doesn't TELL them about it with a PM saying "hey do you want this game?!" until the 1st of the next month and then if they accept it gets counted towards their taken game for the NEW month (which would have a bunch of, I think, positive reverberations.) that allows them to come to asking for the game on their own, or someone else who actively wants the game to get preference for it
but that adds more work for zeo to keep track of things, and I also see the point about how that could become grudgy in a way, BUT, I don't think that necessary means it shouldn't be done. That could allow people to learn how to be happy for others despite what they didn't get for themselves. *shrug*
I like the idea of people who want to nominate someone simply sending those people a PM and notifying them a game they think they might want is available (I like this the best.) I like the idea of not being able to make nominations for the 1st week of a new month. I like the idea of # of nominations being limited in a month (to like 3 or 5?) I like the idea of being able to nominate someone but that nomination doesn't reserve the game or trigger zeo PMing the nominee about it. To elaborate on that last idea:
perhaps the nominations could only be something that get "resolved" after the month is over. I nominate someone for whatever game on the 10th of the month but zeo doesn't TELL them about it with a PM saying "hey do you want this game?!" until the 1st of the next month and then if they accept it gets counted towards their taken game for the NEW month (which would have a bunch of, I think, positive reverberations.) that allows them to come to asking for the game on their own, or someone else who actively wants the game to get preference for it
but that adds more work for zeo to keep track of things, and I also see the point about how that could become grudgy in a way, BUT, I don't think that necessary means it shouldn't be done. That could allow people to learn how to be happy for others despite what they didn't get for themselves. *shrug*
Post edited January 01, 2018 by drealmer7
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Posted January 01, 2018
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tomyam80
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Registered: Feb 2011
From Singapore
zeogold
The Puzzlemaster
Registered: Dec 2012
From United States
Posted January 02, 2018
high rated
I'll inform the nominees that the games are available and they're welcome to come grab them, but won't "reserve" it like is normally done for nominations. Does that work?
As for your suggestions, it doesn't sound too complicated. It seems to basically boil down to "let Zeo determine what nomination does and doesn't work", which could work, I'd just have to be particularly careful about how I think it through.
SnuggleRays
New User
Registered: Jan 2013
From Germany
Posted January 02, 2018
I've been thinking about it and I'm not really sure what to do. You guys are right, we don't want it to be unfair. At the same time, I don't want to discourage nominations overall, since that's a fairly ingrained tradition here and arguably important in its own right. I can't think of any rule I could implement that would fix it properly, the best solution I can figure is the "gentleman's agreement" Vyraexii said. If anybody has any suggestions, I'm open to hearing 'em.
It's maybe not necessarily the amount of nominations, but the way they are done.
The way people are creative when asking for a game they want or when nominating others and the way they are grateful when receiving them, for me is one of the most enjoyable things about this thread.
Please put some effort in your nomination. Tell us more about that awesome super nice, poor, helpful, funny, colourful, unique, creative, hard working... person you know and why you think they would be happy about or would want a particular game.
For Example: I Nominate zeogold For BIT.TRIP FATE. Rumour has it, that it is on his wish list. Although he might have no time to play it, for maintaining this thread seems to take up quite a bit of his free time, it's a nice gesture of appreciation for the work of his nonetheless.
The nominator could perhaps be encouraged by thread rule/guideline to make such a case for the nominated, just like anyone would normally do when asking for a game here for themselves.
This way a monthly nomination limit might not be necessary.
Happy New Year everyone! :)
zeogold
The Puzzlemaster
Registered: Dec 2012
From United States
Posted January 02, 2018
high rated
Hey, at least I'm not an iPhone.
You make a pretty good point.
Also, to all the people who nominated me for BIT.TRIP., I suppose it'd be a bit rude of me not to respond (albeit late), but I avoid taking games from here since people are usually spending money specifically for the giveaway. Maybe I'll bite if a good while passes, nobody seems interested in it, and the donor's ok with it.
Post edited January 02, 2018 by zeogold