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apehater: if i may ask, which logic system are you using to make decisions?
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amok: want to go into calculus? not quite fitting here.
this is an offense question, but seems worth the try:

are you sure you know what the terms rational, logic and calculus mean?
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apehater: if i may ask, which logic system are you using to make decisions?
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JMich: Was the offered SSP a distribution of the full game? Yes.
Was the full game available to purchase? Yes.
Do ND object to the modding of the game? No.
If the old SSP was replaced with a mod installer that looks for the base game, ND would not ask them to take it down.
jmich we had this or a similar discussion already at the ss1 release, i'm not interested in repeating it again.
Post edited May 16, 2016 by apehater
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apehater: jmich we had this or a similar discussion already at the ss1 release, i'm not interested in repeating it again.
Then don't post the same things unless you can show the fault in the logic.
SSP was a distribution of a full game that was available for purchase. The rights holder asked the people to take down the full version of the game, not the mod for it. If the modders haven't replaced the installer, it's the modders who are at fault, not the rights holder.
nah, never mind, the handsome Greek sorted it
Post edited May 16, 2016 by amok
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apehater: jmich we had this or a similar discussion already at the ss1 release, i'm not interested in repeating it again.
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JMich: Then don't post the same things unless you can show the fault in the logic.
SSP was a distribution of a full game that was available for purchase. The rights holder asked the people to take down the full version of the game, not the mod for it. If the modders haven't replaced the installer, it's the modders who are at fault, not the rights holder.
thats how you see it. nevertheless: law≠logic, law≠common sense and logic≠common sense
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amok: this is an offense question, but seems worth the try:

are you sure you know what a logic system is?
Is is, like, what came before the Pro Logic system? Which, like, is what came before Pro Logic II and whatnot whaaa?
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apehater: nevertheless: law≠logic, law≠common sense and logic≠common sense
Of course.
The law says that you cannot distribute a game's files without explicit permission from the rights holder.
Common sense says that as soon as a game is available for sale again, you should stop the distribution of the game's files.
Logic says that you can distribute a mod without the game's files.
In all 3 cases, Night Dive shouldn't have had to ask the modders to remove the download links for the old SSP. The modders should have done it themselves.
Or is there a logical reason to continue distributing the game's files once the game is once more available for purchase?
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apehater: nevertheless: law≠logic, law≠common sense and logic≠common sense
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JMich: Of course.
The law says that you cannot distribute a game's files without explicit permission from the rights holder.
Common sense says that as soon as a game is available for sale again, you should stop the distribution of the game's files.
Logic says that you can distribute a mod without the game's files.
In all 3 cases, Night Dive shouldn't have had to ask the modders to remove the download links for the old SSP. The modders should have done it themselves.
Or is there a logical reason to continue distributing the game's files once the game is once more available for purchase?
Why argue? He's so very obviously trolling you. Or (unlikely) is so dense that there's no point in attempting to get through to him anyway.
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apehater: thats how you see it.
why don't you tell us how you see it, so we can check/approve your logic
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Current mafia game is in stall mode, so I need someplace else to argue.
Or I can't help trying to explain things to people, take your pick.
I hope to see some new gameplay and how much they progressed in the time they last shown the video
I'm definitely going to pledge this Kickstarter. I can't wait to play System Shock in a modern engine, it's going to be sweeet.
System Shock Portable is still available. It just no longer includes the game.
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Cadaver747: As for the DRM-free version, that is not yet confirmed
No DRM-free version, no pledge.

And even if they promise a DRM-free version, my previous Kickstarter experiences have taught me to be very wary of promises that devs will try to weasel their way out of.
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apehater: logic≠common sense
Clearly :-P

By the way, said community work is still up for download, so uh... The post you quoted doesn't actually apply at all any longer. The quoted Kolya's post seems like more of a misunderstanding than anything else and that's most likely the case since it originated before official version of SS was even released for sale on GOG.
Post edited May 17, 2016 by Fenixp
I wouldn't trust any 'guarantee' of a DRM-free version. It will either be abandoned (alongside any promised Mac and Linux versions) due to overestimating the scope their budget gave them. Or it will be released so long after the Steam version you'll have forgotten about it, or already gone with the Steam version just so you've got something to show for your pledge.

As for the game, it almost too faithful to the original. They didn't have to be so exact with the level design and monsters given that it's been over two decades since the original. But on the plus side, that should mean that the gameplay doesn't lose any depth.