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C2 (just as an example I have personal experience with) refused to start when I wanted to start it again after a half a year break or so. That one is from 2011.... I did pay for it but maybe I should just have pirated it seeing as how I am not allowed access to an already installed PAID for game. There are examples of games that have had DRM killing them in less than five years from original publishing date but more common is multi-player being shut down in just a few years time. Having LAN play enabled seems to increasingly vanish from newer games too.
I have one game that uses Denuvo and haven't had any issues with it to this point. And I believe stories about Denuvo damaging your drive are vastly overstated.

Having said that: I wouldn't buy a game using this DRM unless it's something you feel you don't really care about being able to play in the somewhat distant future. This certainly appears to be the type of DRM that will prevent you from playing a game once the servers go down or operating systems change.
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Themken: C2 (just as an example I have personal experience with) refused to start when I wanted to start it again after a half a year break or so. That one is from 2011.... I did pay for it but maybe I should just have pirated it seeing as how I am not allowed access to an already installed PAID for game. There are examples of games that have had DRM killing them in less than five years from original publishing date but more common is multi-player being shut down in just a few years time. Having LAN play enabled seems to increasingly vanish from newer games too.
Hate to say it, but the number of LAN players are shrinking all the time. Newer games consider it not worthwhile to program for.
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dudalb: Hate to say it, but the number of LAN players are shrinking all the time. Newer games consider it not worthwhile to program for.
Bothers me not personally as I do not really play against others but others complain about this so I knew about it.
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dudalb: It is funny that Denuvo has not proven to be as crackproof as it's Makers have claimed.........
Nothing is crack-proof, ever, the only question is the time required to understand and crack a certain copy-protection system. Denuvo was enjoying an unusually long period of having 0 games cracked, with even a known Chinese crack team reporting one of their guys being on the verge of a breakdown because of it. It wasn't until many, many months later that the first Denuvo-protected game was cracked, and then it began to spread.

Bethesda, on the other hand, removed Denuvo from Doom (2016) after its critical initial sales period, which brings the most revenue, ended, so there's that...
I was looking forward to this game, even considered buying it on release but since I don't buy games with DRM I can't and that sucks. Maybe comes here in a couple years but haven't finished Syberia 1 and 2 yet so I'll stick with that for now.
And it takes 45 Gigs of hard drive space......
Maybe it is just me, but that seems really,really, excessive for a adventure game of this type.
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dudalb: It is funny that Denuvo has not proven to be as crackproof as it's Makers have claimed.........
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Plokite_Wolf: Nothing is crack-proof, ever, the only question is the time required to understand and crack a certain copy-protection system. Denuvo was enjoying an unusually long period of having 0 games cracked, with even a known Chinese crack team reporting one of their guys being on the verge of a breakdown because of it. It wasn't until many, many months later that the first Denuvo-protected game was cracked, and then it began to spread.

Bethesda, on the other hand, removed Denuvo from Doom (2016) after its critical initial sales period, which brings the most revenue, ended, so there's that...
If the Pentagon's highest security computer can be hacked, then anything can be hacked, given enough time.
Post edited April 21, 2017 by dudalb
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dudalb: If the Pentagon's highest security computer can be hacked, then anything can be hacked, given enough time.
It's just a general fact - if it's made, it can be cracked. The only method of protecting something is keeping making new security methods that are more complex than the last before the previous one can be cracked, or at the absolutely very latest, after it has been cracked but hasn't done much damage. This is why hash functions have become larger and more complex over the years.
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51nikopol: Really want to get this game but don't know what this DRM is.
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227: There are apparently many different versions of it as each release has it tweaked, which contributes to a lack of clarity about what exactly it's doing in any given game. Denuvo was originally marketed as an "anti-tamper" that wasn't itself a DRM, but it's been since demonstrated that more recent incarnations make use of activation servers, adding yet another failure point to games. Since it's very difficult to crack, only a few games have ever had it stripped out or worked around, which poses a threat to the long-term longevity/accessibility of games that include it once the aforementioned activation servers go down. Usually legitimate owners could rest knowing that they could strip out DRM once it became a problem, but that won't be possible with many Denuvo games.

There are also rumors of it affecting performance or damaging SSDs, but those are mostly unproven or overblown. Not that most people will correct anyone who claims those things, of course. Blind rage toward a bad thing is useful, even if the angle is technically inaccurate.

The most annoying part about Denuvo, though, is that its biggest problems will come down the road instead of right after release, so some gamers will actively defend and request its usage under the pretense of it having no downsides, presumably having never seen a game become inaccessible because of activation servers going down. Some buy into the whole "we have to fight those pirates who are ruining the industry" narrative, while some just can't see any further than the tip of their own nose. Basically, imagine a DRM with the potential longevity issues of always-on DRM that reinforces publishers' ability to enforce games effectively being full-priced rentals, but with enough PR spin that some people actually go to bat for it.
Thank you, great explanation.
I was excited for Syberia3...until I found out it about the DRM (... Damn it Denuvo! Go away!). It's frustrating to see a devs making such a boneheaded decision to stick a draconian DRM in their game, especially one that can act like a kill-switch.

I love the Syberia series but as far as I'm concerned...
1) Denuvo gets Removo or no sale... i.e., DRM-free for PC (on GOG or physical copy) or I WON'T CARE.
2) There are PLENTY of other great point&click adventure games out there, both old & new to enjoy.
3) Even if Denuvo stays on the PC port, & I really want to play it a few years down the line, I can buy it used for under $20 for PS4/XBO, the makers don't see a single dollar, and I won't have to deal with this rubbish.
Putting DRM aside for a bit, have you guys read the Steam reviews and others? It appears that the game is very poorly made in general, both the technical side and the story. What a disappointment...
Another Game made for console. just like Dreamfall Longest Journey [which I had to uninstall for health reasons]

No Thanks
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dudalb: And it takes 45 Gigs of hard drive space......
Maybe it is just me, but that seems really,really, excessive for a adventure game of this type.
30 gigs is Denuvo! :P

All the best
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onarliog: Putting DRM aside for a bit, have you guys read the Steam reviews and others? It appears that the game is very poorly made in general, both the technical side and the story. What a disappointment...
THat so many fans of the original are bitterly disspaointed in the game is not a good sign. That a main criticism is that the plot makes no sense Is fatal for an adventure game.
And even the defendeers of the game..who seem to be Die Hard fans of the franchise who probably feel compelled to support the game ....say there are major technical difficulties.
And, yeah, sounds alike another game ruined by consolization. Looks as if they put all the effort in making a graphically impressive ,at the expense of the story.
As a point and click adventure game player I really enjoyed Syberia 1 and 2.
Was really hoping to complete the series on GOG but it seems that won't happen anytime soon thanks to that piece of DRM called Denuvo that most AAA developers/publishers seem to enjoy integrating into their games.

Well... good thing there's plenty of other fun games to buy and play. :-) Thanks GOG for bringing us fun games at good prices with zero DRM to stand in the way of our good times. Also, the more games that have multiplatform support (Linux included) the better.