B1tF1ghter: We are not saying (me, Breja, others) that the newsletter should be removed as a functionality.
We are demanding
Breja: Just to be abundantly clear (though I said this already) -
I am not demanding anything. I'm saying I liked it better the way it worked before, and that I don't the way it works now, but it's GOG prerogative to make the giveaways conditional, just as it is mine to simply decline the offer.
Sorry, maybe "demanding" would not be the perfectly right word.
But I still understood your general attitude as "would rather not have to".
Was I wrong by any chance?
Canuck_Cat: For a person who seems well versed in legal proceedings, you do realize defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty with proof?
Defendands are not even prosecuted if they don't get caught.
Privacy policy is but a legal faccade to show public what you want to be officially made accountable for in case of a slip-up.
Nobody is going to hold a company responsible for shady data handling if said company doesn't get caught.
Mere usage of Google APIs on GOG is already making it subject to Google's "very liberal" privacy policy (which for APIs is *separate* from things like Gmail and the likes) and data handling rules.
Usage of tracking pixels and externally loaded analytics in emails - is this not a cause for you for red flags?
The cited privacy policy of GOG says NOTHING about usage of those in emails - but they are there - and they are used in unknown scope funelling unknown amounts of data, it's absolutely clear they fingerprint *something* and collect *some* data - it's just not clear how much and being sent to where.
Canuck_Cat: Not to mention it's nearly impossible to do nearly anything on the internet involving a personal account without having to agree to a privacy policy.
NO. If you own the servers and underlying infrastructure you can do literally *everything*.
And if you don't get caught then you remain "clean" in public's eyes and nobody knows unless an insider turns you in.
As I said, I don't have insiders in GOG, and so certain things would be close to impossible to prove.
But that does not mean GOG is "clean" and one should certainly not assume that about a company by default, especially not from one that is criticised for questionable/controversial decisions, as well as simulteneously having profoundly aged and buggy CMS that they don't bother to fix even when repeatedly reported directly to a company's personnel.
Canuck_Cat: I do want to care, but you're not giving any good reasons for other people to care.
(...)
I'm trying, but you're not doing a very good job at explaining or citing data.
Well, I often SUCK at explaining. I am well aware of that.
Sorry. I am trying, but when speaking on the forum, especially on one where toxicity is high and people tend to not listen, I often have to "approximate" my approach.
Canuck_Cat: So again, you've brought up that they could be selling it, but really there's no proof.
Honestly, this is complex, and I'll probably PM you to not drag this out here, since you *somewhat* seem to want to *actually* understand.
(nevermind, I guess you have PMs disabled, well in this case I don't know how to proceed with this since if I keep speaking here I will get obliterated by the biased downvotes)
Also:
the sheer possibility of data being transferred "to infinity and beyond" (because what guarantee do you have that their "partner" will not transfer the data [through a security breach / leak for example] to "other partners") is enough for some people to want to minimize the amount of data collected.
And forcing users to subscribe to html-heavy marketing emails that contain trackers is immoral and on a paper-thin line close to "legal grey zone".
Canuck_Cat: trusted partners(...)direct effects(...)Operations
Thank you for almost exactly copy-pasting privacy policy.
It only proves my point, they give "general statements", like "data storage companies" without actually *specifying* them. And that's the problem. It's not clear where data *actually* goes.
Canuck_Cat: What use is there in degrees or work experience if you can't teach or persuade people to agree with your ideas?
Most work avenues don't involve teaching.
And persuasion in work place usually resolves around people in same area of expertise, and there usually isn't such a huge knowledge gap.
So, yeah, this example you used was somewhat not very good.
Canuck_Cat: micropollutants in your local water supply
I'm well aware there's various cr*p in the water. What I don't know is details.
And since this is not my area of expertise I am not very versed with the query syntax to search this efficiently.
Canuck_Cat: I was referring to young people with higher education. No idea what kind of philosophical talk you're talking about.
It wasn't entirely clear what you meant by "young people". That can mean a lot of different age groups.
I was referring to the very... "quastionable" quality of web content average pre-20 person is browsing nowadays and how they (especially current pre-15) are bombarded with sh*t content with no filtering of any kind.
Regardless what some people say, this DOES mess with the mind of such people and influences their lives later.
Canuck_Cat: If you have to use big caps to get your point across, you're either talking to the wrong audience or you're being condescending. I'll let you decide which one that is.
Probably the former.
Canuck_Cat: So then that's their fault, why do the rest of us have to be punished because of them? Doesn't give you enough justification for this terrible writing style for the rest of us. It's like a DRM for the rest of us just because a minority of the population can't understand your entire message.
If I could make my message appear differently depending on who would be reading it - I would - but I can't.
So, excuse my past (as in pre-this-post) writing "highlights".
