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Posted May 04, 2019
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GameRager: The same could be said for any successful kickstarter, by that logic.
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BreOl72: Agreed.

Of course, we have to take the "niche-factor" into account.

A new Bard's tale or a new Wasteland will find enough buyers after the KS phase to still be interesting for GOG...but this game?
Good argument, but i'm guessing there are games here that have sold less than a thousand or so copies/have poor sales in general yet gog allowed them/still keeps them for some reason.
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ChrisGamer300: Yes it can succeed but will it ? no one knows which is why a wait and see approach is preferable, nothing stops GOG from adding it later, they might lose out on impatient people buying on Steam at launch though but it is what it is.

Yes Rockstar was unknown at one point and these devs could be even if the chance is very slim but you don't choose partnerships based on random chances that they might become, GOG should not rejecting them silently but offer a nice response to why they want to wait and decide whether to have the game here, unforunately GOG seem more interested in burning bridges rather than develop a professional relationship with developers even if they see things differently, i'm optimistic the subverse devs would understand a wait and see approach if GOG just explained it in a good manner which i already said before.

You, me and everyone included doesn't have agree with GOG, just understand that they might have their own reasonings but it would be nice indeed if GOG explained those to the devs if just for a good repuation.
I agree a wait and see approach would at least be something and would placate both sides(consumers/devs/etc) to some degree.

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BreOl72: So Steam can release such a niche game, because they have enough customers to "make good" for the customers who paid for their version on KS already.
But GOG can't. It simply lacks the numbers of customers to really make a profit out of this.
Still, if they choose to not acccept it and it somehow becomes successful then they're gonna be kicking themselves later(same with any other successful sleeper hit they turn down). Also, user numbers could grow as people who hear about it/gog having it come to gog.....just spitballing here.

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GameRager: This, but unironically.
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personthingy: I wasn't being ironic. :( GAG was a ball gag reference. 'Cause.. ya know. *cracks whip*

edit: I feel like I should clarify... I'd be first in line to buy if they did it. :B
Granted, there aren't a lot of quality adult games at the moment, but it's picking up speed. Plus it'd be a great excuse to bring over more VNs, and more uncensored titles (violence, drugs, all that other fun sinful stuff), without people wah-wahing about it releasing on the main page. >v>
I misread a bit(based on the :P smiley/wording)...sorry about that.
Post edited May 04, 2019 by GameRager
Posted May 04, 2019
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GameRager: I misread a bit(based on the :P smiley/wording)...sorry about that.
All g! I could have worded it a bit better, damn intonation not carrying through text! *shakes fist*
Posted May 04, 2019
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GameRager: I misread a bit(based on the :P smiley/wording)...sorry about that.
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personthingy: All g! I could have worded it a bit better, damn intonation not carrying through text! *shakes fist*
That man is shaking his fist at me...he must be angry 0.o

(I kid)
Posted May 04, 2019
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BreOl72: What people need to understand is this: GOG is nowhere near Steam, when it comes to their reach of (paying) customers.

GOG has to focus much more on games that they believe (based on their sales numbers and statistics - which we know nothing about) will sell well enough to bring a profit.

I lately read something about Steam having 35 million customers, or so...all numbers in regard to GOG that I could find was their 2017 review, in which they told us that they now have 240.000 followers on Twitter and 340.000 followers on FB, oh and 51.000 followers on Twitch...of which many will be double or even triple entries, I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure that's a far shot from Steam.

So Steam can release such a niche game, because they have enough customers to "make good" for the customers who paid for their version on KS already.
But GOG can't. It simply lacks the numbers of customers to really make a profit out of this.
Well there are many people that have their gaming PC's offline. This is why I only shop on here. Also mature content is to be enjoyed by me and not feel like I'm being data mined or spied upon or however you want to call it. GOG is the perfect site for content like this. If they decide to reject it I'm done with PC gaming.

Microsoft 10 OS did enough damage to stall New PC hardware sales. I know I am not buying it because the newest hardware does not support w7.
Posted May 04, 2019
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GameRager: 1. A. I pointed the fact out that one can get a refund on KS to show that investing in their kickstarter is about as dangerous as investing in a preorder of VTMB2 on GOG.
And again: the failsafes on KS have nothing to do with the failsafes on GOG.
The KS campaign is over - no more refunds possible.
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GameRager: 1.B. I was merely mentioning that Subverse wasn't accepting prerorders yet(beyond the KS backers....just as an aside/addon to the conversation.
That's not an addon to the conversation - that's just an irrelevant distraction (oh, look - a squirrel!).

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GameRager: Offtopic and uncalled for on your part: But tell me....Where have I harassed someone intentionally/to cause harm here/elsewhere online? Where is your proof I love to do so?(beyond your declaration)?

As for why I don't post it, it's to prevent others from taking what I say and adding to it/causing it to get out of hand from people adding their own two cents on the issue. I do it out of civility and to keep the peace as best I can. If you;re so curious feel free to PM me later and i'll fill you in(if you're actually curious).
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/is_vote_with_your_wallet_now_an_irrelevant_saying/post59

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As for better alternatives to voting with one's wallet: One can promote/soapbox for a game/game company's vile practices via the big platforms(youtube/twitter/facebook/etc) or via smaller forums and sites. Word of mouth can eventually lead to pressure put on companies to change(or action being taken like with some gov't banning game lootboxes).

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/is_vote_with_your_wallet_now_an_irrelevant_saying/post88

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You call it shaming, I call it activism(if done for an objectively noble cause). And heck, if they(the ones who advocate for worse things) can do it then why shouldn't we use such tools as well?

Also big clarification: I called for pressure/activism campaigns to fight any bad trends in gaming/media by citizens against corporations/IP holders. That's far different/better than groups of people ganging up on various individuals because of their beliefs/ideologies online....so no, I wasn't calling for such by what I did call for previously.

Both films listed as examples pushed girl power narratives. They may be good films, and while I agree with the message being presented I and others dislike it being presented in mainstream media/to the more gullible/easily led masses.

In both cases people made good points against such blatant propaganda being pushed/that they wren't going to partake and they were mostly all called trolls/sexist/other hateful things because of it.

Etc., etc., again: I'd love to read your objective opinion on these writers questionable past.
If it's as objective as your opinion on "girl power narratives", I can see why you rather won't give it here.

And no - I won't PM you - thank you very much.
Posted May 04, 2019
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In reality, it doesn't sound like GOG is missing out on much.
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BreOl72: What people need to understand is this: GOG is nowhere near Steam, when it comes to their reach of (paying) customers.

GOG has to focus much more on games that they believe (based on their sales numbers and statistics - which we know nothing about) will sell well enough to bring a profit.

I lately read something about Steam having 35 million customers, or so...all numbers in regard to GOG that I could find was their 2017 review, in which they told us that they now have 240.000 followers on Twitter and 340.000 followers on FB, oh and 51.000 followers on Twitch...of which many will be double or even triple entries, I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure that's a far shot from Steam.

So Steam can release such a niche game, because they have enough customers to "make good" for the customers who paid for their version on KS already.
But GOG can't. It simply lacks the numbers of customers to really make a profit out of this.
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novumZ: Well there are many people that have their gaming PC's offline. This is why I only shop on here. Also mature content is to be enjoyed by me and not feel like I'm being data mined or spied upon or however you want to call it. GOG is the perfect site for content like this. If they decide to reject it I'm done with PC gaming.

Microsoft 10 OS did enough damage to stall New PC hardware sales. I know I am not buying it because the newest hardware does not support w7.
Have you tried wearing tin foil on your head? I heard it stops people spying on you.
Post edited May 04, 2019 by darthspudius
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BreOl72: Etc., etc., again: I'd love to read your objective opinion on these writers questionable past.
If it's as objective as your opinion on "girl power narratives", I can see why you rather won't give it here.

And no - I won't PM you - thank you very much.
Again, I used girl power narratives as an example of propaganda(even good propaganda) being pushed in ways i don't like/see as fair/right. I also said I dislike(d) bad propaganda(of any side) pushed in such ways as well.

Question: Why is it that you seemingly constantly(when replying to me) seem to often take the opposing side and pick apart my argument wording/word choices/etc &(if that fails) complain about my character rather than solely debating the issues themselves? Also why does it seem like you seem to dislike my opinion on several issues in egenral just because I have them?

(I said several times in that prior thread(and now once in this one) what I meant when I brought up propaganda in media and how the example I gave was just one I pulled first off the the top of my head)

Addition: I ask that you please either debate me civilly/without tricks or we'll just have to agree to ignore one another.
Post edited May 04, 2019 by GameRager
Posted May 04, 2019
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novumZ: Well there are many people that have their gaming PC's offline. This is why I only shop on here. Also mature content is to be enjoyed by me and not feel like I'm being data mined or spied upon or however you want to call it. GOG is the perfect site for content like this. If they decide to reject it I'm done with PC gaming.
"This is why I...", "enjoyed by me", "not feel like I'm", "I'm done with"...

Well, that's nice for you, but doesn't change a bit about the fact that you are in no way representative for the majority of PC gamers. Sorry.
Neither am I.
That's life.

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novumZ: Microsoft 10 OS did enough damage to stall New PC hardware sales. I know I am not buying it because the newest hardware does not support w7.
Umm,...I don't even undersand that sentence...
Posted May 04, 2019
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novumZ: Well there are many people that have their gaming PC's offline. This is why I only shop on here. Also mature content is to be enjoyed by me and not feel like I'm being data mined or spied upon or however you want to call it. GOG is the perfect site for content like this. If they decide to reject it I'm done with PC gaming.
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BreOl72: "This is why I...", "enjoyed by me", "not feel like I'm", "I'm done with"...

Well, that's nice for you, but doesn't change a bit about the fact that you are in no way representative for the majority of PC gamers. Sorry.
Neither am I.
That's life.
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novumZ: Microsoft 10 OS did enough damage to stall New PC hardware sales. I know I am not buying it because the newest hardware does not support w7.
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BreOl72: Umm,...I don't even undersand that sentence...
It's for times like this that I often wish I has walking around levels of money so I could fund all the projects I would like(genres/mediums/etc). Of course, I guess many of us feel that way.

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It sounds like he/she said that they dont like how newer PCs don't seem to support win7 and that Win10 has(to them) somehow tanked personal computer sales(windows equipped ones, that is).
Posted May 04, 2019
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novumZ: Well there are many people that have their gaming PC's offline. This is why I only shop on here. Also mature content is to be enjoyed by me and not feel like I'm being data mined or spied upon or however you want to call it. GOG is the perfect site for content like this. If they decide to reject it I'm done with PC gaming.
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BreOl72: "This is why I...", "enjoyed by me", "not feel like I'm", "I'm done with"...

Well, that's nice for you, but doesn't change a bit about the fact that you are in no way representative for the majority of PC gamers. Sorry.
Neither am I.
That's life.

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novumZ: Microsoft 10 OS did enough damage to stall New PC hardware sales. I know I am not buying it because the newest hardware does not support w7.
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BreOl72: Umm,...I don't even undersand that sentence...
Windows 10 is online only OS. Does that help you understand that sentence pertaining to mature content being enjoyed offline?
Posted May 04, 2019
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phaolo: They probably receive 100 emails a day and only have one guy checking them while doing other things
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GameRager: You'd think they'd have a seperate email account/line for business emails.....but that's just me spitballing.
I wasn't talking about support tickets..
They probably receive a ton of requests from indie devs, plus the usual spam.
Posted May 04, 2019
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GameRager: (I said several times in that prior thread(and now once in this one) what I meant when I brought up propaganda in media and how the example I gave was just one I pulled first off the the top of my head)
All you actually said in that other thread, was that you have nothing against this or that, other than the definite feel that you have to fight against it for the "obvious good cause" - another of your "obvious" reasons, that stayed rather ominous for me.

All in all I found it to be rather incoherent blather...which is probably the reason why I react(ed) the way I did and still do.
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GameRager: Addition: I ask that you please either debate me civilly/without tricks or we'll just have to agree to ignore one another.
That's fine by me.
Post edited May 04, 2019 by BreOl72
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GameRager: (I said several times in that prior thread(and now once in this one) what I meant when I brought up propaganda in media and how the example I gave was just one I pulled first off the the top of my head)
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BreOl72: All you actually said in that other thread, was that you have nothing against this or that, other than the definite feel that you have to fight against it for the "obvious good cause" - another of your "obvious" reasons, that stayed rather ominous for me.

All in all I found it to be rather incoherent blather...which is probably the reason why I react(ed) the way I did and still do.
Why is it "ominous" to not want any propaganda(bad/good/other) shoved in your/more impressionable people's minds/throats via media? Why si that such a bad ideal to want to uphold/see come to light?

As for in coherence....I usually try to piece my words together as clearly as possible(plain english/not many spelling errors, correct sentence structure, etc).....if I make you confused I apologize but I expect someone with intellect of a certain level to be able to read the meaning behind what I write for the most part.
Posted May 04, 2019
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novumZ: Windows 10 is online only OS. Does that help you understand that sentence pertaining to mature content being enjoyed offline?
Well, I can pull the plug and run my PC offline...and I'm running Win10.
Just saying...
Posted May 04, 2019
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GameRager: Addition: I ask that you please either debate me civilly/without tricks or we'll just have to agree to ignore one another.
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BreOl72: That's fine by me.
If this is how you feel then this will be my last reply in your direction. I'd rather hoped we could work something out to continue a debate in a cordial fashion, however if it's not meant to be it's not meant to be.

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GameRager: You'd think they'd have a seperate email account/line for business emails.....but that's just me spitballing.
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phaolo: I wasn't talking about support tickets..
They probably receive a ton of requests from indie devs, plus the usual spam.
I'm surprised they don't have a "private" email for serious devs/devs requests only....if that's a possibility i'm surprised they don't have one(or maybe they do...i don't know for certain)
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General discussionSubverse devs aren't getting a response from GOG(239 posts)(239 posts)
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