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Posted May 04, 2019
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ChrisGamer300: The game had a succesful kickstarter but it has rather low goals and doesn't guarantee a loads of money like VTMB2 does because people pre order the shit out of it mostly for nostalgia i guess hell it even topped steams bestselling i think so any business would be stupid to reject that, lots of money is a strong incentive which this game isn't guaranteed to give so i sort of understand GOG's reasoning even if i disagree with how they handled it.
That's another good point: it is a very niche game, that has taken in it's (probably) main revenue already via KS.
Nearly 60.000 people want to play this game - good for them.
But if GOG releases it - these 60.000 have already paid their copy...that means no profit for GOG on the first x thousand copies "sold".
Posted May 04, 2019
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BreOl72: 1. Well, GOG is offering refunds for pre-orders. So nobody has to buy the cat in the bag. If pre.release reviews tell you the game sucks - just ask for a refund - done!

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Exactly. Only with Paradox I know they know how to make enjoyable games...with these FOW guys all I know is that they produce cgi porn movies based on games (Bioshag: Trinity, Lara in trouble, Nier: first assembly and Nightmare: code Valentine, to name just four).
So I'm inclined to trust Paradox more when it comes to quality products. YMMV, of course.

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Neither do I. But seemingly you assume that the producers of cgi porn automatically will deliver a quality (porn) game.

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That's the problem with your "obvious" reasons...they never are obvious for anyone but yourself.
So - please - name the other writers/devs and tell us about their controversial/questionable past, instead of saying nothing for "obvious" reasons.
1. It's the same with kicmkstarter(iirc). If you deserve a refund you get one. Also, they haven't accepted pre-orders for this game yet(afaik).

2. Again, past quality is a good indicator but not a guarantee of future works/efforts by individuals/companies.

As for FOW's "films": Did they make a "good"/well received product and was it successful financially for them/their backers? If so then they are doing about as well as paradox in those regards(or close to it), imo.

3. I never said or tried to infer such, but rather that past quality doesn't always assure/predict future quality(for anyone's products/services).

4. If I did, mods would likely intervene due to how the mention of said individuals/their ideology caused a sh*tstorm in the get woke VTMB2 thread. As such, I will refrain from naming them or their deeds, but feel free to look that thread up if you're curious.
Posted May 04, 2019
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Oh, I remember reading their Kickstarter. I believe my reaction was... "Oh, you're just trying too hard". And this coming from a guy who played most of Illusion's stuff before they started selling to Western audiences.

But seriously... new untested developer, with a concept with high potential to bomb, and a release date still months away? Yeah GOG should reply to the emails, but still... there's no chance that it will be anything but "No" or "Wait and see".
Posted May 04, 2019
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Having said all that, it's good that this issue is getting media attention, as that media attention will likely result in GOG having to respond sooner or later to question of why they refuse to allow AO games on their store.
Who gives a fuck about the why though?

Hearing some silly excuse isn't gonna help anyone who cares for dorm-free AO games.
Post edited May 04, 2019 by clarry
Posted May 04, 2019
Aw, c'mon GOG, make an Adults-Only branch! Call it GAG/Good Adult Games. Think of all the money to be had :P
Posted May 04, 2019
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ChrisGamer300: Yes many games has had shock value and been successful and many who didn't have it was also successful so this point really doesn't matter it says nothing about the actual quality of the game, my worry was that the game only aimed for shock value and silly stuff for the sake of it rather than making a good game but again the game is not out so no one including me knows. Rockstar is an established studio who's game are proven to sell extremely well and Subverse is made by a new and unknown studio from what i've gathered.

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I wouldn't ban this game from my store because it is AO and aim for shock value like "dick lasers" but to me it doesn't sound like a great game simply from that so yes i would wait and see how the final product turns out, this isn't what GOG has done apparently and simply ignored the devs which is different.

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The game had a succesful kickstarter but it has rather low goals and doesn't guarantee loads of money like VTMB2 does because people pre order the shit out of it mostly for nostalgia i guess hell it even topped steams bestselling i think so any business would be stupid to reject that, lots of money is a strong incentive which this game isn't guaranteed to give so i sort of understand GOG's reasoning even if i disagree with how they handled it.
My maint point with regards to that is that a game made for shock value alone/as a majority reason can succeed, though.

Also, even Rockstar was an unknown at one point. Bur with regards to this: Who knows? They may fail but they may also be the next niche/cult sleeper hit for their genre. Only time will tell.

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I'd also use some caution but they could've at least made some reply(even a vague reply like mentioned above with the we'll contact you in 5 or so days email example). They are, first and foremost, a business...and imo they should act professionally/courteously as such.

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I understand it somewhat as well, even if I don't fully agree with it fully.
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ChrisGamer300: The game had a succesful kickstarter but it has rather low goals and doesn't guarantee a loads of money like VTMB2 does because people pre order the shit out of it mostly for nostalgia i guess hell it even topped steams bestselling i think so any business would be stupid to reject that, lots of money is a strong incentive which this game isn't guaranteed to give so i sort of understand GOG's reasoning even if i disagree with how they handled it.
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BreOl72: That's another good point: it is a very niche game, that has taken in it's (probably) main revenue already via KS.
Nearly 60.000 people want to play this game - good for them.
But if GOG releases it - these 60.000 have already paid their copy...that means no profit for GOG on the first x thousand copies "sold".
The same could be said for any successful kickstarter, by that logic.

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personthingy: Aw, c'mon GOG, make an Adults-Only branch! Call it GAG/Good Adult Games. Think of all the money to be had :P
This, but unironically.

(Also the thinking that some hold that adults only games are only fit for/made for pervs is the same thinking that leads some to classify all animation/gaming as only for kids)
Post edited May 04, 2019 by GameRager
Posted May 04, 2019
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GameRager: 1. (A) It's the same with kicmkstarter(iirc). If you deserve a refund you get one.
(B) Also, they haven't accepted pre-orders for this game yet(afaik).
(A) I love it when people throw things together that have nothing to do with each other.
KS is not GOG. What people can or can't do on KS is of no interest for GOG (users).
You claimed, GOG would not protect their users from a potential shitty game done by Paradox - I showed you why that's not true.
(B) GOG has VtMB2 up for pre-order. Of course they haven't this porn game up for pre-order...this thread is about GOG not responding to the devs of this porn game.
Stay focused.

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GameRager: 2. (A) Again, past quality is a good indicator but not a guarantee of future works/efforts by individuals/companies.
(B) As for FOW's "films": Did they make a "good"/well received product and was it successful financially for them/their backers? If so then they are doing about as well as paradox in those regards(or close to it), imo.
(A) Nowhere did I say I absolutely believe in the quality of an unreleased Paradox game.
Heck - I even agreed with you on that point (Quote: "Exactly.")

All I said was: I trust Paradox more when it comes to producing new quality products -> because I know the quality of their old products.
And their old products where of the same kind as the still to be released new product --> games.
Whereas these FOW guys are setting foot into unknown territory.
(B) I have no clue if they delivered good porn movies in the past. What I do know fore sure is that they did not deliver good games in the past.
Paradox has promised to deliver something which they delivered in the past in good quality - these guys are promising something else entirely.
Can't be so hard to understand, no?
Stay focused.
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GameRager: 3. I never said or tried to infer such, but rather that past quality doesn't always assure/predict future quality(for anyone's products/services).
Well, I for one can't speak for the quality of their cgi porn movies...but I can speak for Paradox' quality in regard to games.
Now - if Paradox would start kickstarting a movie, I'd probably be cautious about that, too...because I only know their games, so far.
So...how are these FOW guys' porn movies? Are they good?
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GameRager: 4. If I did, mods would likely intervene due to how the mention of said individuals/their ideology caused a sh*tstorm in the get woke VTMB2 thread. As such, I will refrain from naming them or their deeds, but feel free to look that thread up if you're curious.
Nah, I want you to name them here and tell me about their questionable past.
I know from another thread that you love to harrass people online - so I explicitly don't ask you to harrass them - I just want to read your objective opinion, what about their past is questionable.
Or can't you deliver on these terms, because you can't objectively tell about something without using terms that have to get "moderated"?
Posted May 04, 2019
Speaking of which; I've sent developer email yesterday if they would consider GOG.COM

I am very much so for this game on here and I hope I won't be disappointed.
Posted May 04, 2019
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clarry: Who gives a fuck about the why though?

Hearing some silly excuse isn't gonna help anyone who cares for dorm-free AO games.
I agree with your point, but, hearing GOG give their official excuse is important, because once we have that official excuse, then that gives us a basis on which to criticize it for being unsound.

In contrast, with right now, we have no answer, and therefore GOG is able largely to shield itself from criticism over this issue, by way of there being no statement which we can criticize. That's probably exactly why they have been ducking the issue. They know that ducking it helps them to avoid controversy by sweeping the issue under the rug instead of having many users take notice of any dodgy excuse they might give, and subsequently complain about it in large numbers.

But once they say something, anything, then the cat's out of the bag, and people will keep complaining about the issue til it's changed. Just like, for example, how people kept complaining about GOG forbidding Dragon's Lair and VNs until GOG changed its policies about those things.
Post edited May 04, 2019 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
Posted May 04, 2019
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BreOl72: That's another good point: it is a very niche game, that has taken in it's (probably) main revenue already via KS.
Nearly 60.000 people want to play this game - good for them.
But if GOG releases it - these 60.000 have already paid their copy...that means no profit for GOG on the first x thousand copies "sold".
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GameRager: The same could be said for any successful kickstarter, by that logic.
Agreed.

Of course, we have to take the "niche-factor" into account.

A new Bard's tale or a new Wasteland will find enough buyers after the KS phase to still be interesting for GOG...but this game?
Post edited May 04, 2019 by BreOl72
Posted May 04, 2019
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ChrisGamer300: Yes many games has had shock value and been successful and many who didn't have it was also successful so this point really doesn't matter it says nothing about the actual quality of the game, my worry was that the game only aimed for shock value and silly stuff for the sake of it rather than making a good game but again the game is not out so no one including me knows. Rockstar is an established studio who's game are proven to sell extremely well and Subverse is made by a new and unknown studio from what i've gathered.

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I wouldn't ban this game from my store because it is AO and aim for shock value like "dick lasers" but to me it doesn't sound like a great game simply from that so yes i would wait and see how the final product turns out, this isn't what GOG has done apparently and simply ignored the devs which is different.

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The game had a succesful kickstarter but it has rather low goals and doesn't guarantee loads of money like VTMB2 does because people pre order the shit out of it mostly for nostalgia i guess hell it even topped steams bestselling i think so any business would be stupid to reject that, lots of money is a strong incentive which this game isn't guaranteed to give so i sort of understand GOG's reasoning even if i disagree with how they handled it.
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GameRager: My maint point with regards to that is that a game made for shock value alone/as a majority reason can succeed, though.

Also, even Rockstar was an unknown at one point. Bur with regards to this: Who knows? They may fail but they may also be the next niche/cult sleeper hit for their genre. Only time will tell.

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I'd also use some caution but they could've at least made some reply(even a vague reply like mentioned above with the we'll contact you in 5 or so days email example). They are, first and foremost, a business...and imo they should act professionally/courteously as such.

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I understand it somewhat as well, even if I don't fully agree with it fully.
Yes it can succeed but will it ? no one knows which is why a wait and see approach is preferable, nothing stops GOG from adding it later, they might lose out on impatient people buying on Steam at launch though but it is what it is.

Yes Rockstar was unknown at one point and these devs could be even if the chance is very slim but you don't choose partnerships based on random chances that they might become, GOG should not rejecting them silently but offer a nice response to why they want to wait and decide whether to have the game here, unforunately GOG seem more interested in burning bridges rather than develop a professional relationship with developers even if they see things differently, i'm optimistic the subverse devs would understand a wait and see approach if GOG just explained it in a good manner which i already said before.

You, me and everyone included doesn't have agree with GOG, just understand that they might have their own reasonings but it would be nice indeed if GOG explained those to the devs if just for a good repuation.
Posted May 04, 2019
What people need to understand is this: GOG is nowhere near Steam, when it comes to their reach of (paying) customers.

GOG has to focus much more on games that they believe (based on their sales numbers and statistics - which we know nothing about) will sell well enough to bring a profit.

I lately read something about Steam having 35 million customers, or so...all numbers in regard to GOG that I could find was their 2017 review, in which they told us that they now have 240.000 followers on Twitter and 340.000 followers on FB, oh and 51.000 followers on Twitch...of which many will be double or even triple entries, I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure that's a far shot from Steam.

So Steam can release such a niche game, because they have enough customers to "make good" for the customers who paid for their version on KS already.
But GOG can't. It simply lacks the numbers of customers to really make a profit out of this.
Posted May 04, 2019
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: But once they say something, anything, then the cat's out of the bag, and people will keep complaining about the issue til it's changed.
They don't need to say anything. People don't need to hear any excuse before they can complain about things, and they are already complaining.
Posted May 04, 2019
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BreOl72: (A) I love it when people throw things together that have nothing to do with each other.
KS is not GOG. What people can or can't do on KS is of no interest for GOG (users).
You claimed, GOG would not protect their users from a potential shitty game done by Paradox - I showed you why that's not true.
(B) GOG has VtMB2 up for pre-order. Of course they haven't this porn game up for pre-order...this thread is about GOG not responding to the devs of this porn game.
Stay focused.

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(A) Nowhere did I say I absolutely believe in the quality of an unreleased Paradox game.
Heck - I even agreed with you on that point (Quote: "Exactly.")

All I said was: I trust Paradox more when it comes to producing new quality products -> because I know the quality of their old products.
And their old products where of the same kind as the still to be released new product --> games.
Whereas these FOW guys are setting foot into unknown territory.
(B) I have no clue if they delivered good porn movies in the past. What I do know fore sure is that they did not deliver good games in the past.
Paradox has promised to deliver something which they delivered in the past in good quality - these guys are promising something else entirely.
Can't be so hard to understand, no?
Stay focused.

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Well, I for one can't speak for the quality of their cgi porn movies...but I can speak for Paradox' quality in regard to games.
Now - if Paradox would start kickstarting a movie, I'd probably be cautious about that, too...because I only know their games, so far.
So...how are these FOW guys' porn movies? Are they good?

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Nah, I want you to name them here and tell me about their questionable past.
I know from another thread that you love to harrass people online - so I explicitly don't ask you to harrass them - I just want to read your objective opinion, what about their past is questionable.
Or can't you deliver on these terms, because you can't objectively tell about something without using terms that have to get "moderated"?
1. A. I pointed the fact out that one can get a refund on KS to show that investing in their kickstarter is about as dangerous as investing in a preorder of VTMB2 on GOG.

1.B. I was merely mentioning that Subverse wasn't accepting prerorders yet(beyond the KS backers....just as an aside/addon to the conversation.

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I wasn't saying you don't believe in the quality of a future paradox game but rather that you seem to believe that Subverse's devs will do the reverse and fail due to them not releasing anything but "cgi porn".

I am focused, btw, I just don't see one's prior projects quality levels as a guarantee of future quality & that's the point I was trying to make(or one of them, at any rate).

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Good question, but as I said before: I don't see a dev's individual projects series that came before as a 100% or even really close to it guarantee of future quality....as such, I take everything as it comes and wait for reviews from multiple reputable sources before I buy most things media wise.

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Offtopic and uncalled for on your part: But tell me....Where have I harassed someone intentionally/to cause harm here/elsewhere online? Where is your proof I love to do so?(beyond your declaration)?

As for why I don't post it, it's to prevent others from taking what I say and adding to it/causing it to get out of hand from people adding their own two cents on the issue. I do it out of civility and to keep the peace as best I can. If you;re so curious feel free to PM me later and i'll fill you in(if you're actually curious).
Posted May 04, 2019
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personthingy: Aw, c'mon GOG, make an Adults-Only branch! Call it GAG/Good Adult Games. Think of all the money to be had :P
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GameRager: This, but unironically.
I wasn't being ironic. :( GAG was a ball gag reference. 'Cause.. ya know. *cracks whip*

edit: I feel like I should clarify... I'd be first in line to buy if they did it!
Granted, there aren't a lot of quality adult games at the moment, but it's picking up speed. Plus it'd be a great excuse to bring over more VNs, and more uncensored titles (violence, drugs, all that other fun sinful stuff), without people wah-wahing about it releasing on the main page. >v>
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