Posted May 07, 2018
Gerin
AB Normal
Registered: May 2010
From United States
Breja
You're in my spot
Registered: Apr 2012
From Poland
Posted May 07, 2018
plagren
Grumpy Old Git
Registered: May 2011
From Other
Posted May 07, 2018
dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
Registered: Jan 2010
From United States
Posted May 07, 2018
low rated
Or, find a piece of GPL software and look at the "EULA" that you're asked to agree to.
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-1.0.html
(GPL3 is the newest, GPL2 is still widely used (the Linux kernel, for example, is GPL2 only), while GPL1 is rarely seen nowadays.
There's other open source licenses out there, like the BSD and MIT licenses (which are a lot simpler).
Also, see the "Unrestrictions" section of the manpage for emacs.
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-1.0.html
(GPL3 is the newest, GPL2 is still widely used (the Linux kernel, for example, is GPL2 only), while GPL1 is rarely seen nowadays.
There's other open source licenses out there, like the BSD and MIT licenses (which are a lot simpler).
Also, see the "Unrestrictions" section of the manpage for emacs.
plagren
Grumpy Old Git
Registered: May 2011
From Other
Posted May 07, 2018
drmike
Why yes, I am a Major General
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Shadowstalker16
Jaded optimist
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
Posted May 08, 2018
low rated
You're comparing different times. The world is far more globalized now than it was back at Bush's terms. Things that happen the other side of the world have a far bigger impact today than back then.
Not only that, but people have also become more aware of what all this globalization means. For example, Syria's refugee crisis or Haiti's need for help after major earthquakes were huge indicators for people in unaffected countries that, once crap hits the fan elsewhere there's a good chance some droplets will hit their neighborhood too.
And what's more, the technological landscape changed as well. You didn't see that much involvement from people outside of the US back then? Oh were you checking Twitter in 2009, per any chance? What about Facebook? Oh right, they either didn't exist or weren't as globally widespread as they are today. Which means it is much easier for information from other places to reach these people (and their involvement to reach you) today than back then. Maybe all that political involvement already existed but it never reached your ears.
TL;DR: Things change.
Who even has time to come to this forum defend another country's politician over caring about their own? Unless their own country is perfect, I'd guess that would either be the rich and privileged or the unemployed and stupid.
Seeing any war coming from Trump is delusional, IMO since all he seems to be interested in is economically isolating the US to improve its economy. And I doubt even he doesn't know a war is bad for his country's economy.
And I'm not defending Trump here, or anywhere. I'm asking how and why people would be interested or educated enough to talk about him the way they do without really backing up what they say. Because exceptional claims require exceptional evidence, and I don't see your fearmongering about him starting a war with any more credibility than when republicans said Hillary was going to start a war with Russia. Call it not having double standards.
Vainamoinen
🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦
Registered: May 2010
From Germany
Posted May 08, 2018
low rated
Republican collaborators ( #notallrepublicans™) were badmouthing a seasoned diplomat with half a century worth of experience in keeping the peace. They were voting for an aggressive, choleric, megalomaniac, thin-skinned person that has been taunting the leaders of countries with nuclear weapons via twitter 24/7. That was indefensible.
As no American president has ever done any of that, we will assume that this is the "exceptional evidence" you're speaking of.
The idea that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were ever comparable in the threat they posed to world peace is plainly stupid. 40% of the content in the infowars thread consisted of this stupid idea. Even today, long after he has won the election, Trump can't stop campaigning against Hillary Clinton. He KNOWS he never deserved that victory, not by a long shot. The NRA and the Mercers are probably still wondering how the hell they managed to pull that off.
The idea that what Donald Trump does only has repercussions on America is dangerously stupid. Uttered TODAY of all days, the idea is dangerously and nauseatingly stupid, and borders on complicity. In less than six hours, the little shit could obliterate yet another pillar of peace in our world. If Trump breaks the Iran nuclear deal, you bet I'm going nuclear on his sorry ass. I'm letting it all out. And I don't give a shit whether you think of that as appropriate or well informed enough.
The idea that only US citizens are 'allowed' an informed opinion on Donald Trump is insulting and arrogant. His depravity is visible to all. There are just those who choose to close their eyes.
That is exactly what you do. With the bog standard whataboutism that has been with you since gamergate times. With finger pointing at false equivalences. With moral relativism. With "alternative facts". By crying "fake news". That is how you and millions of others attempt to defend Donald Trump.
It's not working.
Post edited May 08, 2018 by Vainamoinen
Tauto
TRUMP'S THE MAN!!!!!! JERKMUTER RULES!!!
Registered: Jul 2015
From Australia
Posted May 08, 2018
low rated
Republican collaborators ( #notallrepublicans™) were badmouthing a seasoned diplomat with half a century worth of experience in keeping the peace. They were voting for an aggressive, choleric, megalomaniac, thin-skinned person that has been taunting the leaders of countries with nuclear weapons via twitter 24/7.
As no American president has ever done that, we will assume that this is the "exceptional evidence" you're speaking of.
The idea that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were ever comparable in the threat they posed to world peace is plainly stupid. 40% of the content in the infowars thread consisted of this stupid idea. Even today, long after he has won the election, Trump can't stop campaigning against Hillary Clinton. He KNOWS he never deserved that victory, not by a long shot. The NRA and the Mercers are probably still wondering how the hell they managed to pull that off.
The idea that what Donald Trump does only has repercussions on America is dangerously stupid. Uttered TODAY of all days, the idea is dangerously and nauseatingly stupid, and borders on complicity. In less than six hours, the little shit could obliterate yet another pillar of peace in our world. If Trump breaks the Iran nuclear deal, you bet I'm going nuclear on his sorry ass.
The idea that only US citizens are 'allowed' an informed opinion on Donald Trump is insulting and arrogant. His depravity is visible to all. There are just those who choose to close their eyes.
And then more laughs were added.........in an EDIT ABOVE! YUK YUK YUK...^^^^^^^^^^
Post edited May 08, 2018 by Tauto
joppo
New User
Registered: Dec 2011
From Brazil
Posted May 08, 2018
Second, he always knew he was campaigning to be in a role where the international attention is constant. Public scrutiny was a given.
Third, he's controversial (to say the least). Far more than any US prez before. If he doesn't like being told he's doing and saying dumb things (covfefe anyone?) maybe dialing down on dumb things might help.
Because exceptional claims require exceptional evidence, and I don't see your fearmongering about him starting a war with any more credibility than...
I don't care about any of Trump's internal decisions and I even laugh at his Mexican wall, but there's no denying he's terrible at diplomacy. I don't need to be american to judge that. News flash for you: rational people also live outside US borders. (Actually, some days it's hard to find them within US borders)
Oh and BTW, how can you be sure the people criticizing him are not political historians, analysts OR educated enough to offer any valuable insight? Sources, please.
Then again, whether you respond or not I'm outta here. The thread has been derailed so far I'm not interested in this line of conversation anymore. If you still wanna pursue this conversation and arguments there are political threads (now and again, until they get locked. But I digress). Or you could start one about this topic.
Shadowstalker16
Jaded optimist
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
Posted May 08, 2018
low rated
Republican collaborators ( #notallrepublicans™) were badmouthing a seasoned diplomat with half a century worth of experience in keeping the peace. They were voting for an aggressive, choleric, megalomaniac, thin-skinned person that has been taunting the leaders of countries with nuclear weapons via twitter 24/7. That was indefensible.
As no American president has ever done any of that, we will assume that this is the "exceptional evidence" you're speaking of.
The idea that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were ever comparable in the threat they posed to world peace is plainly stupid. 40% of the content in the infowars thread consisted of this stupid idea. Even today, long after he has won the election, Trump can't stop campaigning against Hillary Clinton. He KNOWS he never deserved that victory, not by a long shot. The NRA and the Mercers are probably still wondering how the hell they managed to pull that off.
The idea that what Donald Trump does only has repercussions on America is dangerously stupid. Uttered TODAY of all days, the idea is dangerously and nauseatingly stupid, and borders on complicity. In less than six hours, the little shit could obliterate yet another pillar of peace in our world. If Trump breaks the Iran nuclear deal, you bet I'm going nuclear on his sorry ass. I'm letting it all out. And I don't give a shit whether you think of that as appropriate or well informed enough.
The idea that only US citizens are 'allowed' an informed opinion on Donald Trump is insulting and arrogant. His depravity is visible to all. There are just those who choose to close their eyes.
It's not working.
His tweets and his behaviour are what are pushing the world to nuclear war? I was expecting some huge change of policy he wants to pass that will make things objectively worse off. Like not negotiating until meeting a demand or other such humiliating terms. What has he done that has changed official policy?
And don't throw buzzwords at me, I didn't do or say any of what you complain of. The enemy you're looking for isn't here, and probably doesn't even exist.
Shadowstalker16
Jaded optimist
Registered: Apr 2014
From India
Posted May 08, 2018
Second, he always knew he was campaigning to be in a role where the international attention is constant. Public scrutiny was a given.
Third, he's controversial (to say the least). Far more than any US prez before. If he doesn't like being told he's doing and saying dumb things (covfefe anyone?) maybe dialing down on dumb things might help.
Because exceptional claims require exceptional evidence, and I don't see your fearmongering about him starting a war with any more credibility than...
I don't care about any of Trump's internal decisions and I even laugh at his Mexican wall, but there's no denying he's terrible at diplomacy. I don't need to be american to judge that. News flash for you: rational people also live outside US borders. (Actually, some days it's hard to find them within US borders)
Oh and BTW, how can you be sure the people criticizing him are not political historians, analysts OR educated enough to offer any valuable insight? Sources, please.
Then again, whether you respond or not I'm outta here. The thread has been derailed so far I'm not interested in this line of conversation anymore. If you still wanna pursue this conversation and arguments there are political threads (now and again, until they get locked. But I digress). Or you could start one about this topic.
The clock is quantifying something that can't be inherently quantified, but either way, half of it is from Trump's denial of climate change. Not directly related to foreign policy or military actions, but dumb nonetheless.
But again, I'm just surprised by the level of vitriol against him. Hitler comparisons for politicians are quite common where I come from and the Trump hate just seems like more of the same immature exaggeration to me. Its still a guy in the office with the same powers as those his predecessors sat on, with no additional freedoms granted to him, yet somehow this guy so much worse than the others? As a person he seems really creepy / weird to me but so did Obama's vice-president, but barring amending the Constitution and making himself king, I don't think he can be that much worse than those who came before him.
Yeah my first response in this thread was a bit of an experiment. After quite a long hiatus, I was surprised to see open discussion of politics on the forum, considering the GG thread was closed after people cried about it. But apparently its only discussion of the wrong politics that they disliked and they're OK with flooding the forum with politics they agree with.
toxicTom
Big Daddy
Registered: Feb 2009
From Germany
Posted May 08, 2018
But I totally agree that the personal attacks on Trump are infantile and not productive at all, just like the demonisation of Putin in western mainstream media.
Vainamoinen
🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦
Registered: May 2010
From Germany
Posted May 09, 2018
low rated
That was hundreds of pages of stochastic terrorism, in which any opposing opinions were voted and screamed down by low intelligence life forms, many of whom thankfully left when that hole of shame was eventually sunk, and they left because the sole reason they even frequented this forum was to vomit hate, completely random targets and conspiracy crap into the gamergate thread. You called it a "reasonable discussion" even though you must have been aware how dozens of squealers in there shaped what must be considered the face of the movement. Back then, you employed the very same communicative strategy you're attempting now, always with the pointing finger on the disproportionately lesser evil and a completely blind eye to the real threat to real people. The difference is that you're defending only one person with your whataboutism now.
The twatwaffle withdrew from the Iran agreement like he withdrew from Melania during her pregnancy. And you can be certain that the only reason for chickening out was "because Obama". Whatever US president comes next, his or her diplomacy skills will have to be literally superhuman to make up for all the shit that Trump dumps on the entire world.
The twatwaffle withdrew from the Iran agreement like he withdrew from Melania during her pregnancy. And you can be certain that the only reason for chickening out was "because Obama". Whatever US president comes next, his or her diplomacy skills will have to be literally superhuman to make up for all the shit that Trump dumps on the entire world.
Post edited May 09, 2018 by Vainamoinen
fr33kSh0w2012
CyberFAGGOT 20 DOGSHITS!
Registered: Jul 2009
From Australia
Posted May 09, 2018
My Sh!th@le of a life
What happened to 5 of my Computers (They DETONATED on ME!)
Like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1PFETbX_1U
What happened to 5 of my Computers (They DETONATED on ME!)
Like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1PFETbX_1U
Post edited May 09, 2018 by fr33kSh0w2012