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doady: The mainstream publishers are very eager for mandatory online and mandatory subscriptions for all games to kill the resale and lending/borrowing of games, but I somehow doubt the average gamer shares the same eagerness.
As EU citizen and ESC fan, I give you - European Oracle ruling. Essentially the ruling stated that a third party could re-sell its licenses because it actually owned them.

The after market for more casual SW is a matter of attrition, I am afraid. The French consumer association, I believe, is trying to advance the matter.


Edit; spelling. Minor difference between owe and own, lol.
Post edited May 15, 2016 by TStael
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jamyskis: So will it be with streaming. You only have to look at the trends with Netflix and co. to see where this is going. Industry apologist articles constantly write about "the death of DVD and Bluray" blah, blah, blah, but in fact, streaming has only killed off the DVD rental market.
Also saying Netflix is a good model to compare against games is horrible since buffering 30 seconds of video before starting to watch it (to avoid minor delay issues) is nowhere near the same as requiring a 10ms reply per frame that you'd need for games.

Also stuff you only consume once is nowhere near the same as games which have vastly longer durations of play to a movie, and far more hardware to do the job.

But honestly it doesn't make sense for streaming for me. Let's say you stream Binding of Issac, how many Megs does that game take up? If you stream more video content then it takes to actually own the game then you're wasting your time streaming, not to mention you never had the game to begin with and afterwards you still don't.

Hmmm maybe I should try doing a streaming service where it plays Atari800 games, games of 64k or less but each frame of video easily takes up that just to transmit it...
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bad_fur_day1: Wait, everyone has optical fibre connections running into their New York penthouse apartments don't they?
That pretty much says it all...
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Shadowstalker16: Watch this video.

As to making consoles extinct, no. These are probably the same kind of people who believed ''cinematic'' games like The Order were the next step in gaming. Ie people who see something cool or something they're paid to push and market and say its ''the future'' without saying why.

People on both sides will have to have internet capable of uploading and downloading 1080p or 720p video at playable framerates and have the PCs be close enough in server region to minimize lag. A few minutes of playing will take up gigabytes of data and all this happens while the game we pay for is not in our possession and we can't even touch the files. So even if someone doesn't mind the waste of data for running games easier run on their PC, the DRM is strong. You don't even own anything. Its just you being able to log in and use the files stored on the company PCs for one authorized thing only. Not to mention it needs always online internet connection.
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paladin181: That's kind of the point. Game creators want to sell you a license. They don't believe you own anything now, and a streaming service would properly enforce and secure that notion. It destroys piracy (no files mean no cracks) and it makes sure modders can't make developers look stupid with mods that fix the broken games mere hours after release. It also limits hackers and cheats, even on games that are wholly single player (those will go away too because who doesn't love showing off to strangers, amirite?) because they will control all the files. It's what companies wish they could do now. It's the publisher goals to eliminate consumer choice and make you play the game their way as they intended.
Yes, I agree. They're a;ways trying to get the most from us while giving us as little as possible. And this is why I'll NEVER support streaming. In principle its a good idea but any advancements made in streaming will turn publisher's heads in that direction. So I'm against both the principle and practice of this system. Assumption of good faith is difficult when it comes to this topic, for me at least.
If only i could stream my games that i already purchased via GOG, Steam, HumbleStore and Origin on my crappy phone or my TV
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jamyskis: I think comments like this are typical of industry social isolates like Guillemot who seem to believe that their whims and wishes must automatically be adopted by their customers.
Pure marketing talk. They just want to push their vision as much as possible (to sell something), suggesting that the (old) alternatives are only for silly people who cling to the past.

It is a bit like when MS was pushing its earlier Surface tablets, one MS executive suggested that in the future hardly anyone wants to use a keyboard anymore, only some nerdy programmer types. Rest will use exclusively touch controls, motion detectors, speech recognition etc. for all their needs. This was their marketing for the "new" Windows RT Surface tablets, so that e.g. PC users would move to use them (didn't happen).

Yet, nowadays it seems more and more common that high-end tablets come with keyboards. Odd?
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vemin: latency kills all benefits of streaming. and there is no way to fix it, unless you are really close to the server, so maybe in-home streaming to another device will be popular
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rtcvb32: Like the NVidia Shield? That's suppose to let you stream wirelessly to a handheld device which runs on the main computer. This sounds like a good idea if you really wanted to play handheld, or had to go to the bathroom and couldn't wait to keep slaying monsters while doing your stuff... But beyond that I'm not sure the benefit of it.
Actually with the Shield, you can stream your own games from your computer over the internet to your tablet. Like the other streaming services, only you own your server (because it's your gaming computer).

They do offer their own subscription streaming service though too, and they push it hard. I wish they'd come out with more android native games to take advantage of the hardware they put in the thing, as that's how I prefer to play my games, but it is nice to be able to play Arkham Asylum on my tablet when I'm house-sitting for my brother.
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Terpor: If only i could stream my games that i already purchased via GOG, Steam, HumbleStore and Origin on my crappy phone or my TV
For TV, get a Steam Link.

For your phone, if you've got an NVIDIA card in your computer, check out Moonlight on the Play Store.
Post edited May 15, 2016 by ChrisRevocateur
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ChrisRevocateur: For your phone, if you've got an NVIDIA card in your computer, check out Moonlight on the Play Store.
Now if only Moonlight actually worked for my games...the games always crash after they're launched.
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tomimt: In practice though it will still take a decade or so, that the internet reliability all over the world is good enough for bigger masses to really take notice.
Was trying to stream a 1080p show last night over my 10Mb connection, and it was pausing and buffering like mad. By the time there is widespread access to bandwidth that will allow seamless 1080p streaming, we'll have moved on to near universal acceptance of 4k TV - and see the start of customer 8k - and thus still be lagging. ; )

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We might be chasing the game streaming ideal for a very long time. Or there could be a massive amount of fiber connections in the next decade or so. Who knows? But it will be tough in countries like the US, where the population centers are spread far and wide, and smaller areas like the one I live in are left sucking wind while the big cities get all the goodies.
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ChrisRevocateur: For your phone, if you've got an NVIDIA card in your computer, check out Moonlight on the Play Store.
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PookaMustard: Now if only Moonlight actually worked for my games...the games always crash after they're launched.
In that case, maybe try Remotr or KinoConsole. As Moonlight works perfectly for me, I haven't tried them, but they are a the alternative choices that the Play Store has for game streaming.
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PookaMustard: Now if only Moonlight actually worked for my games...the games always crash after they're launched.
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ChrisRevocateur: In that case, maybe try Remotr or KinoConsole. As Moonlight works perfectly for me, I haven't tried them, but they are a the alternative choices that the Play Store has for game streaming.
Remo,tr would crash on my Android. Haven't tried KinoConsole though. I'll give them all another turn later.
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timppu: Pure marketing talk. They just want to push their vision as much as possible (to sell something), suggesting that the (old) alternatives are only for silly people who cling to the past.

It is a bit like when MS was pushing its earlier Surface tablets, one MS executive suggested that in the future hardly anyone wants to use a keyboard anymore, only some nerdy programmer types. Rest will use exclusively touch controls, motion detectors, speech recognition etc. for all their needs. This was their marketing for the "new" Windows RT Surface tablets, so that e.g. PC users would move to use them (didn't happen).

Yet, nowadays it seems more and more common that high-end tablets come with keyboards. Odd?
Yeah, computing tech is another perfect example of what I was talking about with market trending more towards splitting than being supplanted. I know the entire IT industry was in a frenzy about how tablets would make the PC obsolete, and it's never come to pass and doesn't look like it ever will.

It's the same prediction that industry pundits made when laptops came about, that the days of the desktop were numbered. The quiet dissenting voices pointing out that laptops could never achieve the performance of desktop were openly mocked and pushed to the side, because it was a rational view that wasn't profitable, wasn't sellable and wasn't newsworthy. And yet, 20 years later, here we are.

That's not to say tablets and laptops don't have a raison d'etre - tablets are superb as consumption devices and for simple games, laptops for creative processes where the user has to move around a lot or only has limited space. These solutions offer benefits but compromise on certain features to achieve these benefits.

So I'm sure streaming will find its niche for in-home solutions, gaming rentals and demoing, but when local gaming is an affordable, technically and legally superior alternative, there's no way it's going to be replaced by streaming just because the industry wants it to.
If this is wistful thinking, this is pretty unkind. I find!

I am a PC gamer that pretty much requires M&KB input, and laments when adapted gaming interface is never available. Even after three lengthy patches... BioWare. Hard to persuade me to pre-order past Inquisition.

Console and mobile might be the commercially dominant.

But never have I seen it suggested by controller fans (of any physical or gaming maturity) that PC gaming is inferior, or should not exits.

As a PC gaming fan I dislike to see this in reverse. I frankly do. I love PC gaming, perso -. and it pleases me when controller fans feel the same. And I dare hope console fanciers mostly feel the same, actually.
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bad_fur_day1: Wait, everyone has optical fibre connections running into their New York penthouse apartments don't they?
No, but I do in my 3rd world tenements here in China. America really needs to get with the program.
I think M & S will adapt eventually, they are much slower in responding to new trends than the PC world.
Besides, there were plenty of streams of games like Bloodborne, Uncharted 4 and Halo 5.
'If there's a will, there's a way', or so it seems.

The article is based on the thoughts of a Ubisoft CEO, are Ubisoft market predictions that credible I wonder ?!.

I think this is a ploy by the CEO, they want console makers to be as Twitch-friendly as possible, considering how powerful it is as a marketing channel. Things are not moving fast enough for Ubisoft it seems. So they make statements like this to indirectly and openly tell M & S top hurry up and catch up with PC gaming. After all it's certainly in their interest to sell console copies of their games.