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.Keys: Looks interesting and easy to do for those that have knowledge on reverse engineering or simple knowledge on how to use tools like HxD.
Have you used tools to discover it yourself or there is a post somewhere explaining it? How you know about this?
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foad01: I asked a fellow GOGer to investigate this. She is a programmer. I posted her results because she won't be using the GOG forums, because this place isn't a safe for here.
That sounded weird to me, but sure.

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.Keys: Anyway, this doesn't solve the problem for the majority of users with older systems. The alternative is still give the users the rollback feature from Galaxy to offline installers users.
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foad01: It is meant for people who want a fix now and outside of Galaxy.
The average user can't even Copy Paste a file from a extracted zip to a game folder when modding.
We can't expect this to be a definitive answer and Im sure you agree.

The situation is not nice because I could do this to my copy (which I refuse to do even though I know how, because it is absurd), but then what about the others that can't or won't, like me?
What if we decided to release or update the fixed .exe?
Would GOG complain or even move a lawsuit because we're actually reverse engineering their files?
No way Im doing that.

The point stands. We need rollback for offline installers.
Post edited March 31, 2025 by .Keys
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Syphon72: Not trying to start argument. But what is unsafe about these forms? Just curious
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.Keys: That sounded weird to me, but sure.
Past racist and misogynic comments weren't really advertising to use the forums for one group of GOGers. Just look above. One user is refering to the racist meme where Haitians eat pets or look at the 'smart' comment by MrElixer below. I think we can leave it at this point.

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foad01: It is meant for people who want a fix now and outside of Galaxy.
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.Keys: The average user can't even Copy Paste a file from a extracted zip to a game folder when modding.
We can't expect this to be a definitive answer and Im sure you agree.
The average user will probably use the Galaxy rollback feature. It is simply meant as an information to see what has been changed.
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.Keys: The average user can't even Copy Paste a file from a extracted zip to a game folder when modding.
We can't expect this to be a definitive answer and Im sure you agree.
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foad01: The average user will probably use the Galaxy rollback feature. It is simply meant as an information to see what has been changed.
I agree, you're right.
But the average not so average user that don't want to use the Galaxy rollback feature will also want an alternative. :P

Also it doesn't mean that everyone that refuses to use Galaxy are Linux tech experts users that can reverse engineer everything. We do have many Windows 7, 10 and 11 users that are just trying to get away from the bloat.

It seems to me it wouldn't hurt to have more options, as others have explained here already, but simplifying it:
Files are already there. We just need a button to download them.
Post edited March 31, 2025 by .Keys
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.Keys: That sounded weird to me, but sure.
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foad01: Past racist and misogynic comments weren't really advertising to use the forums for one group of GOGers. Just look above. One user is refering to the racist meme where Haitians eat pets. I think we can leave it at this point.
Rofl.

These upvotes and dumb comments like that are product of Libtard Fusion Centers. People get paid to be this dumb.
Post edited March 31, 2025 by MrElixer
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.Keys: It seems to me it wouldn't hurt to have more options, as others have explained here already, but simplifying it:
Files are already there. We just need a button to download them.
For Dragon Age Origins they could just offer the unchanged DAOrigins.exe in the Extras.
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Dryspace: It looks like I'm in the clear then, at least regarding this particular game.
Yes, you “should be” in the clear with that build.
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.Keys: No. As you can probably see, all threads with controversial topics are being massively upvoted lately. This is mostly and probably caused by bots, as GOG forums has been infected with UpVote and DownVote bots for a long time.
The problem was partially solved when they removed the DownVote button, thus, removing the opportunity for DownVote bot abuse. Still, mass UpVote bot abuse still happening. Don't get me wrong, I too think community is upvoting some posts, but all posts? Nah. Clearly bots.
Apologies, I flat out accused you.

I remember reading in the past about forum members accusing one another to have been engaging in the practice.

I take it back.

Thank you for your words.

edit: merging of posts.
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MerylUnlocked: I remember reading in the past about forum members accusing one another to have been engaging in the practice
When you say in the past, do you mean, since February 2025?

You have absolutely no right to lecture anyone about forum etiquette given that all your accounts are throwaway.
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MerylUnlocked: I remember reading in the past about forum members accusing one another to have been engaging in the practice
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lupineshadow: When you say in the past, do you mean, since February 2025?

You have absolutely no right to lecture anyone about forum etiquette given that all your accounts are throwaway.
All my accounts? So how many are you talking?
An account isn't required to browse this forum, not today, not 10 years ago.

Nonetheless I have apologized.

What are you after?
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foad01: She won't be using the GOG forums because this place isn't safe for her.
Wow, just...wow. Thanks for giving me my laugh for the day bruh.
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MrElixer: Rofl.
Apparently cute cats is le racisms now :D
Post edited March 31, 2025 by FarkOfDoge
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foad01: She won't be using the GOG forums because this place isn't safe for her.
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FarkOfDoge: Wow, just...wow. Thanks for giving me my laugh for the day bruh.
Says the racist and chicken who is surprised that his comments can do damage.
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lupineshadow: You have absolutely no right to lecture anyone about forum etiquette given that all your accounts are throwaway.
Put away the magnifying glass...that's foad's job.
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lupineshadow: You have absolutely no right to lecture anyone about forum etiquette given that all your accounts are throwaway.
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FarkOfDoge: Put away the magnifying glass...that's foad's job.
Says the chicken who can't accept being banned from this forum and using one alt account after another.
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At this point I will just think that you guys want this thread closed and are willing to keep offending each other for no apparent reason just to get it closed.
To be honest, I think it served its purpose, it seems.

Most of the serious active forum members already posted their opinions about it and, although we were warned that GOG actually values little or nothing to what we post or protest on the forums (with few exceptions), they do have material enough as proof that the Preservation Program should indeed be reviewed, because its not something this community fully agree on, at least not the way its being implemented right now. Added to the fact that the games seem to not be fully tested before being released with the Preservation Program tag, by the reports that the post-program updates are causing problems for a percentage of GOG customers on their systems.

Removing users power over the original products they bought is something I will never agree on (Again: That's why I came here in the first place) and wish we could still enjoy the unaltered, original offline installers of games that were later added to the Preservation Program, but we can't. Well... we can't without Galaxy, or, by what it seems, without entering the Future-To-Be-Named GOG subscription program through which, apparently, users will have the possibility to pay to get access to older versions of games they already own here.

All of this, to me, is further proof that they were, all this time, treating Offline Installers users as second class citizens on purpose, or decided to keep doing so because someone or 'someones' in the management decided that to do this would be a good idea.

So, to summarize, these are the factual issues present with the program at the time of writing this post with varying levels of case-to-case applicability:

- GOG reportedly did the "One Ring to Rule Them All" strategy, and tried to apply one kind of fix to all games being added to the Preservation Program initially, this is absurd because not all systems work the same way and not all games are coded the same way, therefore, this could affect many things GOG team isn't aware of. After being called out for that, newer games added to the program didn't necessarily use this tactic;

- Some games which worked fine on some older systems stopped working completely or had been affected performance-wise after being added to the Preservation Program because of the above;

- Some games that were reported that weren't working as intended, or at all, after being added to the program are still not fixed, months after dozens of reports;

- Offline Installers users that had not backed up their Pre-Program Offline Installers are now gated out of the product they bought and can't have access to it without using Galaxy - which doesn't work on systems like Linux, for example, therefore, all of the above also affect users from SteamDeck (as reported on some specific games forum posts that had their games working before the program on it, but now it doesn't anymore.)

- In the long term, this Preservation Program, the way it is being conducted at the time of writing this post, is actually hurting preservation of games and indirectly mods of these games. This is happening because most of these are very old games and if you change the original files of these games, many mods, community patches, community fixes and so on, which require the unaltered original game files, will simply stop working. Since the Program is still in "Beta" lets say, we don't know if GOG will ever fix the affected games, therefore, we might be with builds of games that were broken through the program and are now in a non-fixable state. The same applies to mods;

- The above has already happened with some community patches, community fixes and mods for some games added to the program.


To counter these issues, the Community on this Thread has honestly and fairly given some ideas to GOG on how they could fix the program in a simple way:

- Give Offline installers users the Rollback Feature currently only available for Galaxy users;

- Give users the choice to download the original Offline Installers builds Pre-Program, that is, give us the ability to, through the browser, in our Games page, download the latest build Pre-Preservation Program of each game that were added to the Preservation Program;

- Instead of patching the game directly, give your customers the choice: Create a "Preservation Program Patch" for each game that were and that will be added to the program in the future. That way, each user can decide if they want to try to Preservation Program version, and, if they have any issues with it, they will still be able to enjoy the games they bought without problems. Even if somehow the specific game build is broken by accident through the program, customers will still be able to download and play their original versions and builds through their offline installers;

- Stop the Preservation Program completely and put it at a halt and do not add anymore games to the Preservation Program, so then you guys can have time to analyse the situation and listen to your community.

That's it.
Thank you.
Post edited March 31, 2025 by .Keys
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lazydog: More people should be pushing this line:-

if the preservation program has broken your game, ask for a refund.
I agree with this.

You can't fight marketing bullshit. The only thing some people understand is the bottom line.

It's why Ubisoft are giving 90% discounts on their games on Steam while still adamantly refusing to ditch their broken launchers.

Any games that GOG breaks, I will ask for a refund.
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.Keys: - Offline Installers users that had not backed up their Pre-Program Offline Installers are now gated out of the product they bought and can't have access to it without using Galaxy - [...]
Addendum:
Offline installer users buying the game for the first time, too. If they were too late to buy the game before an update and get stuck with a new version that doesn't work for them (for whatever reason), their only options are:
-submit and use Galaxy to rollback to a Galaxy installation
-ask for a refund (of the desired game they were looking forward to owning/playing)
-don't ask for a refund, keep the game, and hold out hope for an indefinite period of time that an update will fix the issue

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Of course, this has been a long-standing issue for those of us who refuse to use Galaxy. In other words, it applies to any release on GOG, not just Preservation Program titles. But, the Preservation Program factor here seems to be significant. For one thing, these titles (of any in the catalogue) are supposed to just work. Thus, I feel if customers have a bad experience with one of them, their trust in the store is weakened much moreso than if, by contrast, they are a Windows 10 user who knowingly bought a Windows 8 game to try and get it to work themselves but failed to do so.