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Posted October 25, 2018
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Aresz: If you do not see GoGs behaviour on twitter as problematic I dont think I can explain it to you to make you understand. It will just be another internet bash. Ask someone who is transgender instead, or anyone gay/remotely gayisch.

Trying to act "how exactly is" innocent does nothing I am afraid, when it is quite obvious.
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Gersen: You are just dodging the question; if you accuse somebody of willingly "assaulting/crapping over/etc..." somebody else you should at least have some arguments to support your claims and saying "it is so because I said so, but I cannot explain why" is definitely not a valid one.
*sigh*
Lets give it a go, one go:

We have this group of people, who just got some rights in society. Now those rights are being taken away.
And at the same time, they are making fun of, and to some extent also assaulted and killed.

Do you understand now? Insert whatever group of people into the example above, or whatever you and your family are and you might realise.

Get it?
Posted October 25, 2018
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Dalthnock: Wow, I'm impressed! Masterfully done!

Now this, ladies, gentlemen, and everything in between, is how you troll.

I have to admit, I fell for this big time. I tip my fedora to you... Senpai!!!
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Aresz: :)

But agree, sacrasm aside, it is funny to see someone projection so hard that everyone upset with GoG "hate video games and communities around them."

That is hardly the case.
Dude, you played it really cool. Pretending to be all offended over something so incredibly petty, riling everyone up & then delivering the punchline MASTERFULLY:

"wow..what about relaxing a bit and not get so easily offended? ^^"

Projection indeed. Wew, lad!
Posted October 25, 2018
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Gersen: You are just dodging the question; if you accuse somebody of willingly "assaulting/crapping over/etc..." somebody else you should at least have some arguments to support your claims and saying "it is so because I said so, but I cannot explain why" is definitely not a valid one.
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Aresz: *sigh*
Lets give it a go, one go:

We have this group of people, who just got some rights in society. Now those rights are being taken away.
And at the same time, they are making fun of, and to some extent also assaulted and killed.

Do you understand now? Insert whatever group of people into the example above, or whatever you and your family are and you might realise.

Get it?
I'm still waiting to see what rights are being removed...
Posted October 25, 2018
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Aresz: *sigh*
Lets give it a go, one go:

We have this group of people, who just got some rights in society. Now those rights are being taken away.
And at the same time, they are making fun of, and to some extent also assaulted and killed.

Do you understand now? Insert whatever group of people into the example above, or whatever you and your family are and you might realise.

Get it?
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kohlrak: I'm still waiting to see what rights are being removed...
The right to be... fabulous?
Posted October 25, 2018
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Nicole28: First, we can no longer have genders. Except gender isn't a matter of what "I feel today", but an actual biological structure. It is an intricate mix of our foundations, DNA , mass, formations and traits. It's not going to change no matter what we "feel and think" or any pseudo science that one could come up with. It's like, you could choose to "imagine" that you won't die by swallowing Cyanide, but your body is going to react otherwise.
Gender is not that simple; science has shown that, in fact, transgender people are indeed the gender they say they are, even if their DNA might not match.
Posted October 25, 2018
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Aresz: :)

But agree, sacrasm aside, it is funny to see someone projection so hard that everyone upset with GoG "hate video games and communities around them."

That is hardly the case.
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Dalthnock: Dude, you played it really cool. Pretending to be all offended over something so incredibly petty, riling everyone up & then delivering the punchline MASTERFULLY:

"wow..what about relaxing a bit and not get so easily offended? ^^"

Projection indeed. Wew, lad!
Edgy, and annoyed! I like that!

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Aresz: *sigh*
Lets give it a go, one go:

We have this group of people, who just got some rights in society. Now those rights are being taken away.
And at the same time, they are making fun of, and to some extent also assaulted and killed.

Do you understand now? Insert whatever group of people into the example above, or whatever you and your family are and you might realise.

Get it?
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kohlrak: I'm still waiting to see what rights are being removed...
Yes you have to wait for this for another couple of days.
But it is about discimination. Read up on it.
Posted October 25, 2018
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Nicole28: Second, the pushing of puberty blockers onto kids. This is a serious deal, as the alterations are permanent. There is no regrets or going back. And who has the right to make such a life-affecting decision for children, when there is no medical need at stake? It's child abuse at it's finest. When the kid turns 18/21, then let them decide for themselves as a legal adult.
Puberty blockers don't cause permanent alteratins; rather, they prevent the permanent effects of going through the wrong puberty. If the kid ends up identifying with the gender corresponding to the sex hormones their body naturally produces, the puberty blockers can be stopped, and no harm is done. If the kid identifies otherwise, they can be given the appropriate hormones once they're older, and will be spared the horrors of the wrong puberty.

Yes, there is a medical need at stake; for a transgender person, the need to transition (and to not go through the wrong puberty) is medically necessary.
Posted October 25, 2018
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Nicole28: First, we can no longer have genders. Except gender isn't a matter of what "I feel today", but an actual biological structure. It is an intricate mix of our foundations, DNA , mass, formations and traits. It's not going to change no matter what we "feel and think" or any pseudo science that one could come up with. It's like, you could choose to "imagine" that you won't die by swallowing Cyanide, but your body is going to react otherwise.
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dtgreene: Gender is not that simple; science has shown that, in fact, transgender people are indeed the gender they say they are, even if their DNA might not match.
By that logic I can climb to the top of a building, spread my wings, yell out, 'I'm a bird!' and jump. What do you think would happen? Gravity. She is a cruel mistress.

Can you fly, Bobby?
Posted October 25, 2018
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Nicole28: Third, the forceful intrusion into women's and children's spaces for the sake of sexual fetishism and obsessive want. I remembered reading an article where a group of 12 year old girls (it's a space for children), were horrified when a Trans (guy in women's clothing) stripped and exposed all his genitals in front of everyone. Then, when the security guard asked him to leave, he was going on about Trans rights and stuff. It's like, how could you be so unaware of what you are doing?
This is not something that generally happens. Transgender women go into women's spaces because they are, well, women; they belong in women's spaces. Similarly, transgender men belong in men's spaces.
Posted October 25, 2018
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kohlrak: I'm still waiting to see what rights are being removed...
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Emob78: The right to be... fabulous?
From what i can tell, this is still about "bathrooms" and "lockerrooms" even though we're told that we're wrong that it' not about bathrooms. Ultimately, there is no other rights at stake, so i see no reason why they can't actually enumerate what is supposedly being removed.
Post edited October 25, 2018 by kohlrak
Posted October 25, 2018
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Nicole28: To cap it off, Dr Ryan T. Anderson (a conservative white christian guy) wrote a book about Transgenders, and amazingly, it shot up to the bestseller list of it's category. Reviews were equally split between right and left-ist people. The second eye-brow raising thing was the chapter entitled "hands across the aisles". In which he talked about how feminists (largely more radical-leaning, as most liberal ones are very pro-Trans), approached him and his group during one of his conferences for contribution and help, specifically for this issue. If you thought you have never seen such pole ends of the scale bumping together, today is the day. This highlights the huge volatility of this particular side of politics.
The fact that certain "feminists" whose "feminism" excludes trans people (who I'll call TERFs, since this is basically the definition of the term) agree with Christian conservatives on the issue is something I find rather disturbing.

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dtgreene: Gender is not that simple; science has shown that, in fact, transgender people are indeed the gender they say they are, even if their DNA might not match.
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Emob78: By that logic I can climb to the top of a building, spread my wings, yell out, 'I'm a bird!' and jump. What do you think would happen? Gravity. She is a cruel mistress.

Can you fly, Bobby?
Science has not shown that people who claim to be birds are capable of flight (without tools).

Science *has* shown that transgender people are the gender they say they are; every reputable medical orginazation agrees with this statement.
Post edited October 25, 2018 by dtgreene
Posted October 25, 2018
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Nicole28: To cap it off, Dr Ryan T. Anderson (a conservative white christian guy) wrote a book about Transgenders, and amazingly, it shot up to the bestseller list of it's category. Reviews were equally split between right and left-ist people. The second eye-brow raising thing was the chapter entitled "hands across the aisles". In which he talked about how feminists (largely more radical-leaning, as most liberal ones are very pro-Trans), approached him and his group during one of his conferences for contribution and help, specifically for this issue. If you thought you have never seen such pole ends of the scale bumping together, today is the day. This highlights the huge volatility of this particular side of politics.
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dtgreene: The fact that certain "feminists" whose "feminism" excludes trans people (who I'll call TERFs, since this is basically the definition of the term) agree with Christian conservatives on the issue is something I find rather disturbing.
Sex-negative femminists also agree with christians, while calling it evil white patriarchy. Even the LGBTQ+ community has some infighting between bisexuals and pro-trans, due to the natural separation between the two.

So what does one call a male-to-female trans butch lesbian? Ally.
Post edited October 25, 2018 by kohlrak
Posted October 25, 2018
There's only a couple things that GOG can do to offend me... #1 Stop selling games, and #2 Sell games with DRM
Posted October 25, 2018
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kohlrak: Sex-negative femminists also agree with christians
And SWERFs (sex-worker exclusionary feminists) are just as bad, and the association is just as troubling.


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kohlrak: So what does one call a male-to-female trans butch lesbian? Ally.
There's nothing preventing an AMAB person from having a female gender identity and a male gender expression.

(Also, don't forget that non-binary people exist; not everyone is male or female.)
Post edited October 25, 2018 by dtgreene
Posted October 25, 2018
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kohlrak: Sex-negative femminists also agree with christians
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dtgreene: And SWERFs (sex-worker exclusionary feminists) are just as bad, and the association is just as troubling.

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kohlrak: So what does one call a male-to-female trans butch lesbian? Ally.
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dtgreene: There's nothing preventing an AMAB person from having a female gender identity and a male gender expression.

(Also, don't forget that non-binary people exist; not everyone is male or female.)
Right, we should be about, ultimately, offering the most choice to men and women, not guarantee certain outcomes.
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