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Posted October 25, 2018
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kohlrak: Sex-negative femminists also agree with christians
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dtgreene: And SWERFs (sex-worker exclusionary feminists) are just as bad, and the association is just as troubling.

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kohlrak: So what does one call a male-to-female trans butch lesbian? Ally.
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dtgreene: There's nothing preventing an AMAB person from having a female gender identity and a male gender expression.

(Also, don't forget that non-binary people exist; not everyone is male or female.)
Define 'troubling'.
Posted October 25, 2018
First world problems are really something else... Peoples offend so easily I think it's because of boredom.
Posted October 25, 2018
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dtgreene: And SWERFs (sex-worker exclusionary feminists) are just as bad, and the association is just as troubling.

There's nothing preventing an AMAB person from having a female gender identity and a male gender expression.

(Also, don't forget that non-binary people exist; not everyone is male or female.)
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kohlrak: Right, we should be about, ultimately, offering the most choice to men and women, not guarantee certain outcomes.
Why only men and women? What about everyone else?
Posted October 25, 2018
Can we please axe these threads? Elcook? Employees? Someone?
Please, unmercifully butcher the first page of the general discussion, in this state it is indecent.
Posted October 25, 2018
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kohlrak: So what does one call a male-to-female trans butch lesbian? Ally.
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dtgreene: There's nothing preventing an AMAB person from having a female gender identity and a male gender expression.
So, can we agree then that i should have the right to walk into the women's restroom? Essentially, if i were to be such, the only right i don't have is to change in the girls' locker rooms and use the female bathrooms.
(Also, don't forget that non-binary people exist; not everyone is male or female.)
If gender is about disphoria towards one's biology, then what alternatives are there? How is this any different from me calling myself a kitty and meowing and claiming oppression if anyone laughs at me?
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dtgreene: And SWERFs (sex-worker exclusionary feminists) are just as bad, and the association is just as troubling.

There's nothing preventing an AMAB person from having a female gender identity and a male gender expression.

(Also, don't forget that non-binary people exist; not everyone is male or female.)
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Emob78: Define 'troubling'.
Presumably, femminists that advocate that women should not have the same opportunities for employment as men. Either stay-at-home-mother or prostitute, i assume. I can honestly say that this is in violation of the principle of equal opportunity (as opposed to equal outcome, even though that's what "equal opportunity" has become).
Post edited October 25, 2018 by kohlrak
Posted October 25, 2018
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dtgreene: There's nothing preventing an AMAB person from having a female gender identity and a male gender expression.
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kohlrak: So, can we agree then that i should have the right to walk into the women's restroom? Essentially, if i were to be such, the only right i don't have is to change in the girls' locker rooms and use the female bathrooms.

(Also, don't forget that non-binary people exist; not everyone is male or female.)
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kohlrak: If gender is about disphoria towards one's biology, then what alternatives are there? How is this any different from me calling myself a kitty and meowing and claiming oppression if anyone laughs at me?
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Emob78: Define 'troubling'.
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kohlrak: Presumably, femminists that advocate that women should not have the same opportunities for employment as men. Either stay-at-home-mother or prostitute, i assume. I can honestly say that this is in violation of the principle of equal opportunity (as opposed to equal outcome, even though that's what "equal opportunity" has become).
You're making a single flaw here. You're debating with a person... entity, that thinks that reading disagreeable posts is a form of self-harm. By disagreeing with DT, in her/it's/xems mind you're literally helping her/its/zerg become depressed and isolated. See, we can't have diversity of mind, only of culture. You disagree with the hive, and you become a literal mind killer, subject to whatever laws we deem fit to correct 'wrong-think'.'

That's how I define troubling.
Posted October 25, 2018
There should be a South Park episode about this.


BTW, I don't like Caitlyn Jenner. So there.





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PoppyAppletree: Christ, what century are you from?
The one before the soy drinkers took over everything.
Post edited October 25, 2018 by CMOT70
Posted October 25, 2018
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kohlrak: So, can we agree then that i should have the right to walk into the women's restroom? Essentially, if i were to be such, the only right i don't have is to change in the girls' locker rooms and use the female bathrooms.

If gender is about disphoria towards one's biology, then what alternatives are there? How is this any different from me calling myself a kitty and meowing and claiming oppression if anyone laughs at me?

Presumably, femminists that advocate that women should not have the same opportunities for employment as men. Either stay-at-home-mother or prostitute, i assume. I can honestly say that this is in violation of the principle of equal opportunity (as opposed to equal outcome, even though that's what "equal opportunity" has become).
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Emob78: You're making a single flaw here. You're debating with a person... entity, that thinks that reading disagreeable posts is a form of self-harm. By disagreeing with DT, in her/it's/xems mind you're literally helping her/its/zerg become depressed and isolated. See, we can't have diversity of mind, only of culture. You disagree with the hive, and you become a literal mind killer, subject to whatever laws we deem fit to correct 'wrong-think'.'

That's how I define troubling.
Christian culture is disallowed. It's a matter of, people want to create heaven in their minds in the absence of an realization of heaven for real. By opening our mouths, we can crush the illusions (alternative realities) that they're protecting. Fundamentally, this forces identity politics, 'cause we can't simply remain silent, nor can we make way for that which is truly neutral to all fantasies. As a result, you have this ugly war. The only realistic solution is to adopt truth, no matter how much it may hurt, or at least logic, reason, and evidence in the absence of proof.
Posted October 25, 2018
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CMOT70: There should be a South Park episode about this.

BTW, I don't like Caitlyn Jenner. So there.

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PoppyAppletree: Christ, what century are you from?
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CMOT70: The one before the soy drinkers took over everything.
Even Parker & Stone are toothless these days.

If they *seem* edgy, it's because everything else is so bland.
Posted October 25, 2018
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Emob78: You're making a single flaw here. You're debating with a person... entity, that thinks that reading disagreeable posts is a form of self-harm. By disagreeing with DT, in her/it's/xems mind you're literally helping her/its/zerg become depressed and isolated. See, we can't have diversity of mind, only of culture. You disagree with the hive, and you become a literal mind killer, subject to whatever laws we deem fit to correct 'wrong-think'.'

That's how I define troubling.
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kohlrak: Christian culture is disallowed. It's a matter of, people want to create heaven in their minds in the absence of an realization of heaven for real. By opening our mouths, we can crush the illusions (alternative realities) that they're protecting. Fundamentally, this forces identity politics, 'cause we can't simply remain silent, nor can we make way for that which is truly neutral to all fantasies. As a result, you have this ugly war. The only realistic solution is to adopt truth, no matter how much it may hurt, or at least logic, reason, and evidence in the absence of proof.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth Is a revolutionary act."

We're there. We are there.
Posted October 25, 2018
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kohlrak: Christian culture is disallowed. It's a matter of, people want to create heaven in their minds in the absence of an realization of heaven for real. By opening our mouths, we can crush the illusions (alternative realities) that they're protecting. Fundamentally, this forces identity politics, 'cause we can't simply remain silent, nor can we make way for that which is truly neutral to all fantasies. As a result, you have this ugly war. The only realistic solution is to adopt truth, no matter how much it may hurt, or at least logic, reason, and evidence in the absence of proof.
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Emob78: "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth Is a revolutionary act."

We're there. We are there.
What kills me is what the evidence points to as the source of it: child abuse. We can talk about these ideologies all day, but they come from somewhere. As you give more wiggle-room for lies, people will try to find a way to create a world that sucks less than reality. Ultimately, this means fantasies of reality, fantasies of oppression to ignore the real oppression, especially if you've become one of the real oppressors.
Posted October 25, 2018
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kohlrak: Christian culture is disallowed. It's a matter of, people want to create heaven in their minds in the absence of an realization of heaven for real. By opening our mouths, we can crush the illusions (alternative realities) that they're protecting. Fundamentally, this forces identity politics, 'cause we can't simply remain silent, nor can we make way for that which is truly neutral to all fantasies. As a result, you have this ugly war. The only realistic solution is to adopt truth, no matter how much it may hurt, or at least logic, reason, and evidence in the absence of proof.
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Emob78: "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth Is a revolutionary act."

We're there. We are there.
A time will come when men will all go mad. And they will see someone who is not mad, and will point and say "He is mad, for he is not like us".

We have arrived, passed it, and we keep going full speed ahead.
Posted October 25, 2018
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Emob78: "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth Is a revolutionary act."

We're there. We are there.
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Dalthnock: A time will come when men will all go mad. And they will see someone who is not mad, and will point and say "He is mad, for he is not like us".

We have arrived, passed it, and we keep going full speed ahead.
Has that not been the history of humanity, though? We could even apply this to Jesus Christ.
Posted October 25, 2018
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Emob78: "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth Is a revolutionary act."

We're there. We are there.
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kohlrak: What kills me is what the evidence points to as the source of it: child abuse. We can talk about these ideologies all day, but they come from somewhere. As you give more wiggle-room for lies, people will try to find a way to create a world that sucks less than reality. Ultimately, this means fantasies of reality, fantasies of oppression to ignore the real oppression, especially if you've become one of the real oppressors.
I'm not a religious person at all, but after many years I have accepted the idea that if you remove God or the concept of God from people's lives, then it becomes necessary for something to replace it. Social movements, cliques, military discipline, class warfare, something of meaning, something to belong to, something to strive for. When we abandon the inner, we embellish the outer. And ultimately we abandon all, for everything we've built to replace God has been inferior to the genesis of creation outside of our own limited minds and imagination.

Tower of Babel, indeed. Endless attempts. Endless failures.
Posted October 25, 2018
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