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VesuviusThe2nd: Sure, it's 100% possible there's just some super coincidence at play here, but the fact is that this hashtag wasn't really used prior to the political events of that weekend and to assume a random coincidence (even when GOG's twitter said they grabbed it from the context of a trend) is to assume the least likely scenario. Moreover, their intent ultimately doesn't matter, if someone uses a poorly thought out turn of phrase that's offensive THEY SHOULD APOLOGIZE. That's just common decency.
What makes it offensive? They didn't call it bad, they didn't comment on the politics of it whatsoever. Again I ask, why are transgender people and some of their defenders so special that anything said that isn't specifically glowing praise is offensive? Are your feelings really that much more sensitive than others and at the same time more important that the mere mention of anything to do with transgender people (that isn't a specific congratulations or direct support of their movement) an offensive gesture? Please educate me, I am willing to learn as long as your demands are not unreasonable (i.e. that your feelings and status be put above everyone else). Everything isn't offensive, and even some things that are offensive are OK.

So to reiterate, please educate me on a: why it was offensive, and b: why is something so innocuous such a problem.
I do genuinely want to know because I don't mind offending people every now and again, but I don't want to be seriously offensive to people either. I want to know before I cross any lines and this will help me learn that.
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RWarehall: Now, GoG issued an apology to those who felt offended by it. That should have been enough, but of course it isn't for certain vocal minorities. It should be pretty obvious where the over-reaction lies.
There's a certain group of people that you simply cannot issue an apology. They will see it has a weakness to be exploited and a free pass for belittlement and harassement and for these kind of people you either take an hard stance and say 'no more' or become their punching bag.
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TARFU: I agree with you, but did you catch the movie reference?
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fortune_p_dawg: you know, i love that movie, but i had to google it before i got the reference. heck ive even watched it recently.

now, im just really hungry, lol. :D
Me too. Actually, I don't think I've ever met anyone who DIDN'T like The Princess Bride. Hey, Colman's is always good, but if you are looking to try out a new mustard, I've got one to recommend. Take a look:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sir-Kensington-s-Mustard-Spicy-Brown-11-Ounce/47906712
But after 5 and 1/2 year, Rimworld finally got a 1.0 release. and it is well worth it
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LootHunter: That's my point. Transgender rights activists took a very general phrase (unlike, "Black lives matter" for example) for their hashtag and now complain that others use it too.
"Black lives matter"; now that's a hashtag that was treated with respect and understanding by the people unaffected by the issue it was highlighting; great example there.

I thought that "prank" eight years ago was going to be the most inconsiderate and pointlessly self-destructive act I'd ever see from this company, but I was wrong, so kudos for that.
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VesuviusThe2nd: Sure, it's 100% possible there's just some super coincidence at play here, but the fact is that this hashtag wasn't really used prior to the political events of that weekend and to assume a random coincidence (even when GOG's twitter said they grabbed it from the context of a trend) is to assume the least likely scenario. Moreover, their intent ultimately doesn't matter, if someone uses a poorly thought out turn of phrase that's offensive THEY SHOULD APOLOGIZE. That's just common decency.
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paladin181: What makes it offensive? They didn't call it bad, they didn't comment on the politics of it whatsoever. Again I ask, why are transgender people and some of their defenders so special that anything said that isn't specifically glowing praise is offensive? Are your feelings really that much more sensitive than others and at the same time more important that the mere mention of anything to do with transgender people (that isn't a specific congratulations or direct support of their movement) an offensive gesture? Please educate me, I am willing to learn as long as your demands are not unreasonable (i.e. that your feelings and status be put above everyone else). Everything isn't offensive, and even some things that are offensive are OK.

So to reiterate, please educate me on a: why it was offensive, and b: why is something so innocuous such a problem.
I do genuinely want to know because I don't mind offending people every now and again, but I don't want to be seriously offensive to people either. I want to know before I cross any lines and this will help me learn that.
I honestly don't think that tweet in and of itself IS a huge problem. (The cyberpunk gender tweet DOES more actively make light of a genuine concern).

I think a "sorry, our bad, we'll try to be sensitive to how things can be taken" is literally all that I would want from GOG from this if it was the only instance. With their recent history I'd like them to do a little more to see why this has happened a few times now.

As for what is offensive about it? It's just that it takes something being used to signal boost about what is life changing moment for many trans persons and dilutes the meaning. There's plenty of other ways the sentiment of keeping old games around could be expressed without bringing that up, or comparing the desire for old video games to the desire to have your identity recognized by the government.

It's not the end of the world, it's just tacky. As for your other comment, about my demands, I don't have any. I'm expressing my opinion about what I'd like them to do. That's not a demand, it's my perspective and nothing more.
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Gersen: They probably didn't thought that an innocuous sounding hashtag like "wontbeerased" would be a nuclear power keg and when they discovered it they immediately removed the tweet.

Like I said last time, given how stupidly volatile the current climate is, especially on twitter with peoples having nothing better to do then taking every single word you post out of context to see if there is anything they could be offended by, it's a dangerous things to do, every single hand gesture, gifs or word can become a "hate symbol" without warning and unless you have always up to date on the current twitter drama (especially the US based ones) those kind of "mistakes" are bound to happen.
"Yeah, how's that for some use of hashtags"

I agree with you on previous incidents. I also agree that in general people get outraged very, very easily these days. But let's not act as if this one was a silly mistake and Gog didn't know what they were doing.


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paladin181: When a straight white man is the butt of a joke it's funny. When a black woman is it's racist and sexist. When a gay or lesbian is, it's homophobic, and if that person was transgender it's transphobic. That's not how the world should work people. Learn to laugh at yourselves more.
See, the thing about that is you're quite right in principle, but there's a time and a place.
This is not the time. The joke generally conveys a very different spirit, if the target is currently struggling. That's also true for straight white men, it's just that - as a group - there's a lot less struggle. But if you take a straight white man, make him a struggling alcoholic and then make fun of him when he's fallen off the wagon and cuddling his own vomit, you'll find that jokes carry a different flavour depending on the situation.
And it's not the place, either. This would be quite a different matter, and in my opinion absolutely fine, if this was a comedy gig. But even though Gog's decisions making is indeed laughable, it's a storefront for games and I honestly have no idea when it became fashionable to drop any pretense of professionalism and maturity in favour of awful Twitter banter and whore yourself out for the latest fad, just because fucking Wendy got a few laughs.

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paladin181: Humor is a fickle thing, but people should not be offended at every little comment.
Indeed they probably shouldn't. And so far I haven't been. Am I allowed to be offended by this one, though?
You really don't have to be some raging SJW to find this distasteful.

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paladin181: And ResetEra needs to burn in a fire for their ridiculous stance on hate.
You know, I kinda agree with you on this one.
All I wanna drop regarding this topic:
I´m disappointed by the decision of Zombie Orpheus Entertainment.
Again its people being offended, then others expecting apologies from them for being offended while no apologies from the actual offender where given. So much for keeping politics away from video games.
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lolplatypus: "Yeah, how's that for some use of hashtags"

I agree with you on previous incidents. I also agree that in general people get outraged very, very easily these days. But let's not act as if this one was a silly mistake and Gog didn't know what they were doing.


See, the thing about that is you're quite right in principle, but there's a time and a place.
This is not the time. The joke generally conveys a very different spirit, if the target is currently struggling. That's also true for straight white men, it's just that - as a group - there's a lot less struggle. But if you take a straight white man, make him a struggling alcoholic and then make fun of him when he's fallen off the wagon and cuddling his own vomit, you'll find that jokes carry a different flavour depending on the situation.
And it's not the place, either. This would be quite a different matter, and in my opinion absolutely fine, if this was a comedy gig. But even though Gog's decisions making is indeed laughable, it's a storefront for games and I honestly have no idea when it became fashionable to drop any pretense of professionalism and maturity in favour of awful Twitter banter and whore yourself out for the latest fad, just because fucking Wendy got a few laughs.

Indeed they probably shouldn't. And so far I haven't been. Am I allowed to be offended by this one, though?
You really don't have to be some raging SJW to find this distasteful.

You know, I kinda agree with you on this one.
You can be offended at anything you like. Just like I can. The difference is choosing your battles. Would you decide to take someone on and try to damage them over something like this? Would you try to blow it out of proportion like this? People get made fun of all the time, and it's ok until they're transgender. I don't get the preferential treatment. In this case, no one was being made fun of at all. But thanks for not just becoming a SJW twit that flies off the handle and can't carry a conversation because "HATE" or some shit.

I disagree with you about time and place (what better place than Twitter) and the point of Twitter is to garner attention. They're get getting shit on because people don't get GOG. They don't target specific groups, they take trending hashtags and change the meaning to their message. It's what they do. Why is this hashtag (Still one of the stupidest things ever, btw. Hashtags in general, not this one)so much more special? They are collections of letters that loosely resemble words. If so much of your life is wrapped up in Twitter that hashtags are a main means of communication or directed offense, maybe your problem isn't the material you find offensive. People should GET OUT OF THEIR FuCKING PHONES and try to live life for 5 minutes. Maybe their life would be happier without people telling them what to be upset about all the time.



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VesuviusThe2nd: I honestly don't think that tweet in and of itself IS a huge problem. (The cyberpunk gender tweet DOES more actively make light of a genuine concern).

I think a "sorry, our bad, we'll try to be sensitive to how things can be taken" is literally all that I would want from GOG from this if it was the only instance. With their recent history I'd like them to do a little more to see why this has happened a few times now.

As for what is offensive about it? It's just that it takes something being used to signal boost about what is life changing moment for many trans persons and dilutes the meaning. There's plenty of other ways the sentiment of keeping old games around could be expressed without bringing that up, or comparing the desire for old video games to the desire to have your identity recognized by the government.

It's not the end of the world, it's just tacky. As for your other comment, about my demands, I don't have any. I'm expressing my opinion about what I'd like them to do. That's not a demand, it's my perspective and nothing more.
Thank you for responding as well. I disagree that any apology at all is owed for this because of reasons I already stated. People want to be angry at something. This wasn't bashing or hateful or in anyway disparaging of the people or their struggle, nor was it mocking, precisely. Intentional use of a trending hashtag? yep. Intentional harm to those who feel offended? Nope. People really need to raise the bar for what is or isn't offensive.

I saw posts of people comparing these struggles to slavery or the holocaust. You don't think slaves who were beaten and literally treated as property, actual sub-human treatment would be offended at the comparison? Or Jews who are executed and experimented on in cruel ways, forced to live in abject fear for their actual existence, you think they would be offended by the comparison? These people are fighting for rights in a world where they've never been denied the right to vote, the right to look at another human being or the right to breathe the same air as everyone else. In terms of Holocaust and slavery, their struggles are non-existent. But yes, let's bash on GOG for posting a Tweet with a hashtag that they've appropriated.
From my perspective, I see it as a simple joke and it should't be taken seriously. Thousands of celebrities make fun of the recent USA president. Why is it a crime when GOG does it?

However, I look at this from an other perspective. Typing "Classic games will not be erased on our watch" and then removing classics like Baldur's Gate 1&2, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment and now Neverwinter Nights from the store(*) proves them wrong in that joke.

(*)Yes. I know that you can still buy EEs but that doesn't change the fact that originals are pulled off the store and can no longer be bought individually.
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fortune_p_dawg: you know, i love that movie, but i had to google it before i got the reference. heck ive even watched it recently.

now, im just really hungry, lol. :D
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TARFU: Me too. Actually, I don't think I've ever met anyone who DIDN'T like The Princess Bride. Hey, Colman's is always good, but if you are looking to try out a new mustard, I've got one to recommend. Take a look:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sir-Kensington-s-Mustard-Spicy-Brown-11-Ounce/47906712
yes!

sir kensington's mustard is great! worked my way through a jar of it in about a week before trying colmans (which im almost done with). i actually found the kensingtons a bit more tangy than the colmans, which hits you in the nose but doesnt linger.

actually i learned about colmans through the youtube channel lgr foods (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz9uUFDhsPYii-ZihoKsbPg). it's basically a channel of a guy making lunch for himself, but he tries new stuff every time and tends to inspire me, plus its my 4-year-old's favorite channel.
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paladin181: But yes, let's bash on GOG for posting a Tweet with a hashtag that they've appropriated.
What gets me is, the let's keep bashing GoG even after they offered an explanation and apology. It's not even like the last two incidents were clearly offensive either. GoG could release an American city builder game and link a MAGA hashtag and the crazies on both sides would find a way to be offended. So-called "leftists" because somehow it would be supporting the "right" or the so-called "right" because they'd be "appropriating" their hashtag. We need a new hashtag #GoGdidnothingwrong.
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paladin181: Funny how hashtags are created on the spot by someone, it's not like there's a set of them, or they're reserved for anything specifically. Just because someone appropriates it doesn't give them ownership of it. It's words. That's all. But people will go out of their way to be offended by anything.
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VesuviusThe2nd: Sure, it's 100% possible there's just some super coincidence at play here, but the fact is that this hashtag wasn't really used prior to the political events of that weekend and to assume a random coincidence (even when GOG's twitter said they grabbed it from the context of a trend) is to assume the least likely scenario. Moreover, their intent ultimately doesn't matter, if someone uses a poorly thought out turn of phrase that's offensive THEY SHOULD APOLOGIZE. That's just common decency.
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LootHunter: That's my point. Transgender rights activists took a very general phrase (unlike, "Black lives matter" for example) for their hashtag and now complain that others use it too.
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VesuviusThe2nd: I'm complaining that making a joke using it the same day that the government claims it's going to define them out of existence is in bad taste. That's all I'm saying.
they did apologize for it, so not sure what you're on about

When will all these people getting offended over everything just admit THEY LOVE DRAMA, and they love spending hours of their life having huge wall of text discussions over a misuse of a hashtag

If you don't think this is melodramatic then I don't know what to say, because it objectively is being over exaggerated and its done intentionally because people on the internet love DRAMA.

I need to stop posting in these threads now tbh, they're going to get bumped anyway but god forbid anyone admit they're just self-absorbed drama queens, i feel really bad for stand-up comedians because they must have a hell of a hard time these days making sure they don't offend anyone
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KP1990: they did apologize for it, so not sure what you're on about
They did, but this thread says they shouldn't have. All VesuviusThe2nd is saying is that GOG was right to apologise, not that they haven't apologised.