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Posted April 26, 2015
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Screamshield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myKYT_95frs

Anyone still not convinced that valve are the devil?
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muter: Lol that video, nexusmods should be in the video too, they missed it.
it's there, first one to get shot down.
Posted April 26, 2015
Yes its true, I forgot the symbol of nexusmods :/
Posted April 26, 2015
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mkess: Chesko was told, he has no longer the rights on his mods, because he sold the distribution
rights, besides his soul, for the meager 25% income before taxes.

After trying to remove his mods, because he used the content of a free modder without his
permission that did not aggree selling his content, he was told by a st"EAm representive,
that he has to use a lawyer before st"EA"m will allow to delete the content, that now belongs
exclusively to them.
You do realize this was perfectly reasonable right?

They already told him they'd A) Not sell it anymore B) keep it only visible to people who already bought it. But that wasn't good enough for him, he wanted it removed entirely. (as in, not even available for the people who already purchased it)

That's where Valve stated, if he wanted it removed entirely he'd have to legally compel them to do so.
Post edited April 26, 2015 by Pheace
Posted April 26, 2015
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mkess: Chesko was told, he has no longer the rights on his mods, because he sold the distribution
rights, besides his soul, for the meager 25% income before taxes.

After trying to remove his mods, because he used the content of a free modder without his
permission that did not aggree selling his content, he was told by a st"EAm representive,
that he has to use a lawyer before st"EA"m will allow to delete the content, that now belongs
exclusively to them.
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Pheace: You do realize this was perfectly reasonable right?

They already told him they'd A) Not sell it anymore B) keep it only visible to people who already bought it. But that wasn't good enough for him, he wanted it removed entirely.

That's where Valve stated, if he wanted it removed entirely he'd have to legally compel them to do so.
Apparently they don't check if the content they buy is stolen.
Posted April 26, 2015
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Pheace: You do realize this was perfectly reasonable right?

They already told him they'd A) Not sell it anymore B) keep it only visible to people who already bought it. But that wasn't good enough for him, he wanted it removed entirely.

That's where Valve stated, if he wanted it removed entirely he'd have to legally compel them to do so.
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Screamshield: Apparently they don't check if the content they buy is stolen.
It doesn't matter, they paid real money to access something. If you bought something with your own money and then were told a day later you couldn't access what you just bought, you would lose your mind and rightfully so.

Lets use a little common sense, once you put something up for sale (something the modder knowingly did), you lose control because guess what, you now have CUSTOMERS that you must attend to.
Posted April 26, 2015
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Screamshield: Apparently they don't check if the content they buy is stolen.
No they don't. Given the possible amount of work (currently 25k mods on the workshop) that you'd have to cross-comparison to each other, just in case one failed (or deliberately forgot) to point others work in his mod, it's also clear why.
Not to mention that not even Valve doesn't have the personal infos / email of all mod authors to double-check if a submission is from the original author or not.

However, this was clear from the get go.
Posted April 26, 2015
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Screamshield: Apparently they don't check if the content they buy is stolen.
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synfresh: It doesn't matter, they paid real money to access something. If you bought something with your own money and then were told a day later you couldn't access what you just bought, you would lose your mind and rightfully so.

Lets use a little common sense, once you put something up for sale (something the modder knowingly did), you lose control because guess what, you now have CUSTOMERS that you must attend to.
In my country if you by mistake buy stolen goods...let's say a car and the authorities learn during a check up you will get your car taken from you.It is called laws.I am sure you have those too.

Valve have no right to keep stolen goods.Their whole system is so legally wrong my head is about to explode.Someone should really seek legal help from the European court as some people on the forums have suggested.
Posted April 26, 2015
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mkess: Chesko was told, he has no longer the rights on his mods, because he sold the distribution
rights, besides his soul, for the meager 25% income before taxes.

After trying to remove his mods, because he used the content of a free modder without his
permission that did not aggree selling his content, he was told by a st"EAm representive,
that he has to use a lawyer before st"EA"m will allow to delete the content, that now belongs
exclusively to them.
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Pheace: You do realize this was perfectly reasonable right?

They already told him they'd A) Not sell it anymore B) keep it only visible to people who already bought it. But that wasn't good enough for him, he wanted it removed entirely. (as in, not even available for the people who already purchased it)

That's where Valve stated, if he wanted it removed entirely he'd have to legally compel them to do so.
No it's not. For exlusive dirstribution rights you have to pay for the work.
Posted April 26, 2015
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mkess: No it's not. For exlusive dirstribution rights you have to pay for the work.
What exclusive distribution rights? The guy can distribute his stuff all he wants. He can't however tell Valve to not give the mod to the people Chesko already sold the mod to through Valve.
Posted April 26, 2015
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mkess: No it's not. For exlusive dirstribution rights you have to pay for the work.
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Pheace: What exclusive distribution rights? The guy can distribute his stuff all he wants. He can't however tell Valve to not give the mod to the people Chesko already sold the mod to through Valve.
He sold them stolen goods.
Posted April 26, 2015
Well i think there's one thing we agree
copyright laws are one seriously fucked up monster.
Posted April 26, 2015
oh brother.

Honestly this whole thing reeks of a cash grab I mean come on a 70% percent split to Valve who does fuck all? They didn't make the game nor the mods but they get a large chunk of the profits? to hell with that and please don't give me the whole "oh they host the content" BS it costs them very little to host the mods.

Honestly Valve should of A. never done something like this or B. make it like a patron type thing where people could optionally decide to kick some money towards the modders and if Valve wanted take a small percent of that and kick some to the actual people who made the damn game in the first place.

So much for all the fanboys cries of "well Monopolies can be a good thing" ..ah well if Valve was smart, which they obviously don't seem to be they would really start to tread carefully and not do anything this stupid for awhile because they only got to where they are based on the good will they gained from gamers and if they keep pissing them off they will go elsewhere and the more they keep doing stupid crap they more people will leave. History is full of examples of this, hell Cable TV is becoming a fairly recent example if trends continue.
Posted April 26, 2015
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DCT: oh brother.

Honestly this whole thing reeks of a cash grab I mean come on a 70% percent split to Valve who does fuck all? They didn't make the game nor the mods but they get a large chunk of the profits? to hell with that and please don't give me the whole "oh they host the content" BS it costs them very little to host the mods.

Honestly Valve should of A. never done something like this or B. make it like a patron type thing where people could optionally decide to kick some money towards the modders and if Valve wanted take a small percent of that and kick some to the actual people who made the damn game in the first place.

So much for all the fanboys cries of "well Monopolies can be a good thing" ..ah well if Valve was smart, which they obviously don't seem to be they would really start to tread carefully and not do anything this stupid for awhile because they only got to where they are based on the good will they gained from gamers and if they keep pissing them off they will go elsewhere and the more they keep doing stupid crap they more people will leave. History is full of examples of this, hell Cable TV is becoming a fairly recent example if trends continue.
Actually valve takes 30 bethesda takes 45% though that's a rumor.
But yeah cashgrab, i'm guessing some people felt butthurt after the saw falskaar and thought 'shit we could've milked this'
Posted April 26, 2015
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Pheace: What exclusive distribution rights? The guy can distribute his stuff all he wants. He can't however tell Valve to not give the mod to the people Chesko already sold the mod to through Valve.
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Screamshield: He sold them stolen goods.
No he did not. Besides Chesko was more pissed that he couldn't pull the mod that was 100% his own work since he says 'that's mine, I should be able to do what I want with it'. It's not stolen goods, Valve has lawyers I'm pretty sure they are not going to allow you to sell a mod with assets that belong to someone else with having their legal backside covered. Look what he writes:

I was just contacted by Valve's lawyer. He stated that they will not remove the content unless "legally compelled to do so", and that they will make the file visible only to currently paid users. I am beside myself with anger right now as they try to tell me what I can do with my own content. The copyright situation with Art of the Catch is shades of grey, but in Arissa 2.0's case, it's black and white; that's 100% mine and Griefmyst's work, and I should be able to dictate its distribution if I so choose. Unbelievable.


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DCT: oh brother.

Honestly this whole thing reeks of a cash grab I mean come on a 70% percent split to Valve who does fuck all? They didn't make the game nor the mods but they get a large chunk of the profits? to hell with that and please don't give me the whole "oh they host the content" BS it costs them very little to host the mods.

Honestly Valve should of A. never done something like this or B. make it like a patron type thing where people could optionally decide to kick some money towards the modders and if Valve wanted take a small percent of that and kick some to the actual people who made the damn game in the first place.

So much for all the fanboys cries of "well Monopolies can be a good thing" ..ah well if Valve was smart, which they obviously don't seem to be they would really start to tread carefully and not do anything this stupid for awhile because they only got to where they are based on the good will they gained from gamers and if they keep pissing them off they will go elsewhere and the more they keep doing stupid crap they more people will leave. History is full of examples of this, hell Cable TV is becoming a fairly recent example if trends continue.
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ashtonx: Actually valve takes 30 bethesda takes 45% though that's a rumor.
But yeah cashgrab, i'm guessing some people felt butthurt after the saw falskaar and thought 'shit we could've milked this'
Not only that but according to Gabe (and I think even Chesko) it's Bethesda that decided that split, not Valve.
Post edited April 26, 2015 by synfresh
Posted April 26, 2015
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ashtonx: Actually valve takes 30 bethesda takes 45% though that's a rumor.
But yeah cashgrab, i'm guessing some people felt butthurt after the saw falskaar and thought 'shit we could've milked this'
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synfresh: Not only that but according to Gabe (and I think even Chesko) it's Bethesda that decided that split, not Valve.
Funny how someone on redit posted mail to bethesda about it and they said they're also pissed and that it was all valve.

edit: found it:
https://imgur.com/LU87PTC


Anyway gog seems to become recommended alternative during the whole shitstorm, honestly though i'm surprised cdp is not exploiting the situation.
Post edited April 26, 2015 by ashtonx
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