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I have nothing against modders getting financial compensation for their work, but selling mods can never work. The thing with mods is that they are being held together by spit and bubble gum, the smallest thing can break it. What about incompatibility between (paid) mods? What if a game updates and breaks the mod? 24 hours after downloading is not enough for testing, some people spend days just setting up mods before they even make a character. What if the problem only occurs 15 hours into the game and ends up breaking everything?

Then there is the unprofessional nature of modding: how do you know a modder is not using other people's content? All you get to see from the outside is a list of files and no one would be so stupid to keep the name of the stolen files unchanged. So a modder suspecting would have to buy every mod out there and check to make sure his files are not in there. But you can get a refund, right? Right, except it's in Steam vallet credits, not in actual money.

Valve's solution to the above: let the community sort it out.

And finally, the cut from Valve/Bethesda: 75%. You'd be better off just setting up a donate button on the Nexus, maybe you don't get that much from every user, but what you get is 100% yours.
There`s been plenty of times where steam has sent some update to Skyrim in the past (at times nothing changed except mods got broken) & modders had to remake their mods to work again.

So what is to stop steam from doing another update, so that all older versions of mods do break & folk have to pay again & again for the newer versions that are required & then likewise further down the road?

Plenty of these mods folk have had for years & if removed, it can break parts of the game saves.

Worse, the 24 hour refund (which goes to steam wallet only) is stupid. Some mods you won`t notice until further into the game, weeks-months later etc
Times like these make me really appreciate GoG.
The problem now is.. which mod should I download? O_o
I don't even own any AAA since ages, due to DRM, but who knows if they'll eventually come to GOG.

For example, is there any big Skyrim modpack that fixes-improves everything?

By the way, it seems that many are downloading mods, Moddb & Nexus sites are busy lol.
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phaolo: The problem now is.. which mod should I download? O_o
I don't even own any AAA since ages, due to DRM, but who knows if they'll eventually come to GOG.

For example, is there any big Skyrim modpack that fixes-improves everything?

By the way, it seems that many are downloading mods, Moddb & Nexus sites are busy lol.
Just the Unofficial Patches. Also, any assets, textures OR followers that have no custom scripts will generally not break Skyrim.

I've broken my Skyrim saves a number of times cause I'm a mod addict :P If I had to pay even ONE dollar for each mod I ever tried, I'd have bought a new high end PC.

It's not just AAA titles that get mods. Games as old as Baldur's Gate have had numerous community mods, maybe that game you're about to play on GOG has some somewhere.
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phaolo: The problem now is.. which mod should I download? O_o
I don't even own any AAA since ages, due to DRM, but who knows if they'll eventually come to GOG.

For example, is there any big Skyrim modpack that fixes-improves everything?

By the way, it seems that many are downloading mods, Moddb & Nexus sites are busy lol.
Unofficlal Skyrim, Dawnguard, hearthfire etc all fix things in the main game & lots more.

P.S. Even some of the popular modders are sticking to the no pay wall route.

MannyGTSkyrimMods


P.P.S. Notch on mods
Post edited April 26, 2015 by fishbaits
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ashtonx: Indeed they should be paying modders not milking them.
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npalsensei: They own the game, they own the toolkit. If anyone would be making money off mods, it'd be them.
They already made money of mods, by selling the game. Do you think it'd still sell without mods ?
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HiPhish: I have nothing against modders getting financial compensation for their work, but selling mods can never work.
Actually it can work in a way.
CS used to be a mod
dota 2 is financed by mods
tf2 is making money on mods.

Problem is about how it's implemented, and the way they did it with skyrim is nothing more than milking the game to death.


edit: just when i thought i doubleposted turns out gog edited my post and added my reply.. why other forums don't have this awesome feature ;/
Post edited April 26, 2015 by ashtonx
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fishbaits: There`s been plenty of times where steam has sent some update to Skyrim in the past (at times nothing changed except mods got broken) & modders had to remake their mods to work again.

So what is to stop steam from doing another update, so that all older versions of mods do break & folk have to pay again & again for the newer versions that are required & then likewise further down the road?
Ok, I get it that some are pissed and throwing stuff in about what could potentially happen or go wrong, but now it's getting ridiculous....

The updates that broke previous mods (in all cases) have been done to the functionality of the game / creation kit, mostly due to the changes Dragonborn and Dawnguard ADDED to the base game and in some cases may have come through bugfixes.
ALL of these have come from Bethesda. Not Steam. Period. None of it came because they disliked a mod and wanted to get rid of it, neither Steam nor Bethesda. In all seriousness, they have other legal means to do so if they feel that way.

Check facts. Please....
I just read that the Nexus mods have sgned up with Steam to be a "service provider"
This means modders in the steam workshop can name nexus and then valve and nexus share the money.
Man we are all drowning in a sea of greed here.
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zippythezip: I just read that the Nexus mods have sgned up with Steam to be a "service provider"
This means modders in the steam workshop can name nexus and then valve and nexus share the money.
Man we are all drowning in a sea of greed here.
True. The service providers get a total of 5% from Valve's 30%, split among themselves. Nexus, for all its pro-freeMods attitude, doesn't seem to mind getting extras from Valve :P
http://garry.tv/2015/04/24/paying-for-mods

http://www.pcgamesn.com/killing-floor-2/tripwire-update-killing-floor-2-steam-eula-to-ban-paid-mods
I'm guessing he didn't thought the consequences through his thoughts were prolly
- no way it'll work out, it's crazy, whatever they want to pay me let them pay.

then shitstorm hits steam and he takes a couple tons of waste as collateral.
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npalsensei: Just the Unofficial Patches. Also, any assets, textures OR followers that have no custom scripts will generally not break Skyrim.

I've broken my Skyrim saves a number of times cause I'm a mod addict :P If I had to pay even ONE dollar for each mod I ever tried, I'd have bought a new high end PC.

It's not just AAA titles that get mods. Games as old as Baldur's Gate have had numerous community mods, maybe that game you're about to play on GOG has some somewhere.
Thanks, I'll check them.

I usually prefer vanilla games for the first playthrough, but sometimes unofficial patches are needed.
So far I've been lucky, but a broken mid-game would make me mad!! Also lore-unfrendly alterations aren't my fav, except for short tries.

About Baldur's Gate, years ago I played BG2+Tob with the fixpack and it was flawless!
Someday I'd like to play it again starting from BG1+TotSC but there are a ton of options: Trilogy, EasyTutu+NPCmod, UB, Enhanced, etc.. O_o

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npalsensei: [..]
+1 also for you :)
Post edited April 26, 2015 by phaolo
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zippythezip: I just read that the Nexus mods have sgned up with Steam to be a "service provider"
This means modders in the steam workshop can name nexus and then valve and nexus share the money.
Man we are all drowning in a sea of greed here.
Wow nexus jumped off the cliff with no parachute.

F* them too.

We can pirate mods for all i care.
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zippythezip: I just read that the Nexus mods have sgned up with Steam to be a "service provider"
This means modders in the steam workshop can name nexus and then valve and nexus share the money.
Man we are all drowning in a sea of greed here.
You got a link for this please? Couldn`t find it anywhere.

As for steam`ers, seems some remain stupid...