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Posted August 25, 2015
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sherringon456: Create different accounts for your children then. Then you can share your games with them. Yes it is inconvenient and you shouldn't have to do that and the library lock should be removed. It avoids downloading cracks, which you shouldn't do though because you could get all manner of nasty things on your hard drive and is almost certainly illegal anyway.
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mechmouse: You clearly don't understand how Steam Family Sharing works.

Let me explain. I have 80 games and 5 children.

I've created an account for 3 of them, the last two are a little young. FOr privacy I'll call them child_1, child_2 and child_3.

If child_1 is playing one my games the other 79 are unavailable to child_2 and child_3.

If I start a completely different game child_1 will be given 5 minutes and get booted from their game.

If I'm playing none of the childrens account can use any of the 79 unused games.

THere is absolutely no way with out using hacks that child_1, child_2 and child_3 can play 3 entirely different games from my account at the same time.
Oh I see. They should definitely patch that out. I still don't think you should download hacks though.
Post edited August 25, 2015 by sherringon456
Posted August 25, 2015
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sherringon456: Create different accounts for your children then. Then you can share your games with them. Yes it is inconvenient and you shouldn't have to do that and the library lock should be removed. It avoids downloading cracks, which you shouldn't do though because you could get all manner of nasty things on your hard drive and is almost certainly illegal anyway.
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mechmouse: You clearly don't understand how Steam Family Sharing works.

Let me explain. I have 80 games and 5 children.

I've created an account for 3 of them, the last two are a little young. FOr privacy I'll call them child_1, child_2 and child_3.

If child_1 is playing one my games the other 79 are unavailable to child_2 and child_3.

If I start a completely different game child_1 will be given 5 minutes and get booted from their game.

If I'm playing none of the childrens account can use any of the 79 unused games.

THere is absolutely no way with out using hacks that child_1, child_2 and child_3 can play 3 entirely different games from my account at the same time.
I don't know if this would solve it but wouldn't be the offline modus a possibility? You don't need internet connection to play Steam games which are already installed on the PC. Cloud saving is optional and games save on the PC if there is no internet connection. But perhaps I missed something.
Posted August 26, 2015
Thousand of people have over the last 2 years have all asked for the Library Lock, what the community call it, to be removed. VALVe have never replied, nor shown any sign of shifting on it.

Sure I can put my account into offline mode so my account and 1 other account can play, or just do what every one did before SFS and all use the same account offline.

The thing is knowingly bypassing a DRM system even by just using Offline mode breaks the DMCA (not sure about the EU version). Using offline mode is, from a legal stand point, just as bad as using a crack.
Posted August 26, 2015
Pillars of Eternity can be added to the list as well. Tested on Windows 7 64bit.
Posted August 26, 2015
Game Dev Tycoon is DRM Free, just close the window warning at the beginning

edit - add

Holy Potatoes Weapon Shop
HuniePop
Royal Bounty HD
Shoppe Keep Early Access
The Curious Expedition Early Access
Trainz Trouble
Turmoil
Unrest

cheers:)
Post edited August 26, 2015 by Swapware1
Posted August 26, 2015
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mechmouse: You clearly don't understand how Steam Family Sharing works.

Let me explain. I have 80 games and 5 children.

I've created an account for 3 of them, the last two are a little young. FOr privacy I'll call them child_1, child_2 and child_3.

If child_1 is playing one my games the other 79 are unavailable to child_2 and child_3.

If I start a completely different game child_1 will be given 5 minutes and get booted from their game.

If I'm playing none of the childrens account can use any of the 79 unused games.

THere is absolutely no way with out using hacks that child_1, child_2 and child_3 can play 3 entirely different games from my account at the same time.
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Ritualisto: I don't know if this would solve it but wouldn't be the offline modus a possibility? You don't need internet connection to play Steam games which are already installed on the PC. Cloud saving is optional and games save on the PC if there is no internet connection. But perhaps I missed something.
yes that would work, though I wouldn't bother arguing with the poster. Tends to go round in circles of unwillingness.
Posted August 26, 2015
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darthspudius: yes that would work, though I wouldn't bother arguing with the poster. Tends to go round in circles of unwillingness.
This is why I didn't anwser to him again. I also want to respect the "ONE FINAL NOTE" part and I don't want to derail this thread (like someone did with the first new one).
Post edited August 26, 2015 by Ritualisto
Posted August 26, 2015
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Ritualisto: I don't know if this would solve it but wouldn't be the offline modus a possibility? You don't need internet connection to play Steam games which are already installed on the PC. Cloud saving is optional and games save on the PC if there is no internet connection. But perhaps I missed something.
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darthspudius: yes that would work, though I wouldn't bother arguing with the poster. Tends to go round in circles of unwillingness.
I already agreed you can use offline mode.

I also pointed this is how people shared before SFS.

USing offline mode with a SFS share online allows the owner and 1 addition person to play.

There is however a pervasive misconception on how SFS works. Its nothing to do with unwillingness. People believe that SFS works like real sharing and will allow two or more people play different games at the same time. Which it doesn't. Its highly restrictive and near useless for families.

People are also ignorant to the language of the SSA. Up until JUne this year, letting my children or wife use my games (with out SFS) was breaking the SSA. The language of the SSA strictly prohibited letting ANYONE use your account. Even the current SSA strictly prohibited letting ANYONE use your account, unless authorised by VALVe. Except there is no list of authorised activities and I've not got an email saying I can let my kids us my games.
Posted August 26, 2015
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darthspudius: yes that would work, though I wouldn't bother arguing with the poster. Tends to go round in circles of unwillingness.
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Ritualisto: This is why I didn't anwser to him again. I also want to respect the "ONE FINAL NOTE" part and I don't want to derail this thread (like someone did with the first new one).
Did you see that reply, I told you. Just goes round in circles. Remember when people didn't care and simply played games?! As that annoying Batman movie said... "Why so serious?!"
Posted August 26, 2015
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Ritualisto: This is why I didn't anwser to him again. I also want to respect the "ONE FINAL NOTE" part and I don't want to derail this thread (like someone did with the first new one).
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darthspudius: Did you see that reply, I told you. Just goes round in circles. Remember when people didn't care and simply played games?! As that annoying Batman movie said... "Why so serious?!"
Yes I remember those days, install and play.
Beautiful carefree days.
We thought they'd last forever.

But they didn't.

You're making it sound like I put the restrictions in place, or I wrote the SSA.

Or are you saying I should just ignore the SSA, how SFS works, ignore the laws, and just play?

Why so serious? Because there are serious laws behind it.
Post edited August 26, 2015 by mechmouse
Posted August 26, 2015
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darthspudius: Did you see that reply, I told you. Just goes round in circles. Remember when people didn't care and simply played games?! As that annoying Batman movie said... "Why so serious?!"
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mechmouse: Yes I remember those days, install and play.
Beautiful carefree days.
We thought they'd last forever.

But they didn't.

You're making it sould like I put the restrictions in place, or I wrote the SSA.

Or are you saying I should just ignore the SSA, how SFS works, ignore the laws, and just play?

Why so serious? Because there are serious laws behind it.
... *looks away* *tries to ignore* ... * urgh * *hmmm bacon*
Posted August 26, 2015
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mechmouse: Yes I remember those days, install and play.
Beautiful carefree days.
We thought they'd last forever.

But they didn't.

You're making it sould like I put the restrictions in place, or I wrote the SSA.

Or are you saying I should just ignore the SSA, how SFS works, ignore the laws, and just play?

Why so serious? Because there are serious laws behind it.
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darthspudius: ... *looks away* *tries to ignore* ... * urgh * *hmmm bacon*
Lets all ignore the issues, a pretent they don't exist. Just play our games. And when, a few years later you've found you've grown up and have children you can look at the whats happened.

The problem is that is exactly what I did. When, in 2009ish, valve changed Steam and the SSA to exclude all posibility of multiple people using one account the community should have kicked up more of a fuss. But the demographic was different back then, and there was a lot less active users. I honestly didn't think it mattered.

Its your view that none of this matters, and if it doesn't affect you then that's okay. But it does affect me and my family.
Posted August 26, 2015
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darthspudius: ... *looks away* *tries to ignore* ... * urgh * *hmmm bacon*
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mechmouse: Lets all ignore the issues, a pretent they don't exist. Just play our games. And when, a few years later you've found you've grown up and have children you can look at the whats happened.
What are you talking about... I did that ten years ago! The little bastards are playing my games now. Growing up well... that is no fun. Unless you want to become a Pirate. ARGH!
Posted August 26, 2015
Tried some games I had installed right now. Tested on Win 8.1.

bit Dungeon II
Despair
Fearless Fantasy
Hektor
Humanity Asset
Jet Force
Malebolgia
Monster Loves You!
Morningstar
NaissanceE
Orborun
Particula
Power-Up
Ratz Instagib 2.0 - You can only play on cumstom servers.
Relic Hunters Zero - Delete steam_api.dll
Spooky's House of Jump Scares
Super Puzzle Platformer Deluxe
Super Win the Game
Post edited August 26, 2015 by Teppic
Posted August 26, 2015
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mechmouse: Lets all ignore the issues, a pretent they don't exist. Just play our games. And when, a few years later you've found you've grown up and have children you can look at the whats happened.
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darthspudius: What are you talking about... I did that ten years ago! The little bastards are playing my games now. Growing up well... that is no fun. Unless you want to become a Pirate. ARGH!
So you're kids are playing your Steam games, unless you've only got one computer or have got some time share going on you're using offline mode.
Great, that what most parent did before SFS, and likely do now.

I also believe you used to use No-cd cracks.

However, whether you want to talk about or not, anyone that has let their children, wife, bother, sister or so on use their account in the last 6 years was breaking the SSA. I doubt personal use could have ever stood up in a court of law, but it was written into the SSA.

The same goes for the DMCA. Bypassing the restrictions of a DRM, even by using in built functions is breaking the Law. Again, I doubt you could ever be taken to court over it, but there it is.

I don't think you believe I'm making this up, rather just see them as non-issues.

In away they are non-issues, since you can get around them and you're not going to going to jail over them. But they're the basis of a system that controls how you access the games you own.

My beef with SFS is it was supposed to deliver something it does not, yet many people believe it does.

I could mess around with ensuring kids always start in offline mode, and by the definition of both thd law and the SSA break the law, or I could use a crack and break the same agreement and law but means the games can be set up and left.
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