Posted March 29, 2023
amok
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topolla
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Posted March 29, 2023
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Knightspace: It's hilarious to read this on a forum for a storefront previously known as "Good Old Games"
amok: a major purpose of gOg as good old games, was to make old games run on modern systems. Every 64-bit systems are modern, that was big game changer. Anything else is cosmetic or making a reason to force people to buy new products. (I tried to shorten it, it is not the main point of discussion)
If GoG will make game running on the newest system, good for them, it makes possibility to sell product to more customers.
BUT
If it breaks compatibility for previous buyers, it should be treated the same as removing a product (old version should be possible to download for previous buyers)
OR
it should be treated the same as stopping providing access to GOG services and GOG content permanently (not because of any breach by you). That means that GOG will try to give you at least sixty (60) days advance notice by posting a note on www.GOG.COM and sending an email to every registered users – during that time you should be able to download any GOG content you purchased (According to 17.3 of User Agreement)
BUT
Because of people like you, GoG doesn't care.
Knightspace
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BrianSim
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Posted March 29, 2023
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Yes that's what GOG wants, but as others have said that's increasingly starting to sound more like a religious mantra than any sustainable business model in the face of "the major purpose of W11's 'Smart App Control' is you can't be trusted to run any unsigned games, so we'll block every game you own that's older than 2020 / doesn't have a SHA256 signature, and make sure you can't add C:\GOG Games folder as an exclusion. This is optional today but probably won't be by 2025-2030. Welcome to W11 Trusted Computing!". GOG (and some commenters here) are sounding ridiculously naive cheering on supporting the only version of an OS with newly added DRM which is squarely aimed at blocking older applications (and by extension, older games) on the basis of "if I pretend it isn't there, it might go away. Ignorance is bliss!"
If Microsoft's interests were truly aligned with GOG's, not only would SAC have a whitelist for older games, the classic Age of Empires would have been added to GOG the same time as the Empire Earth's were added (2009). To anyone with an ounce of common sense, it's pretty obvious what the gradual incremental push towards "signed only apps, no whitelist / exclusions" means for older games (that will never be signed) in the long run...
If Microsoft's interests were truly aligned with GOG's, not only would SAC have a whitelist for older games, the classic Age of Empires would have been added to GOG the same time as the Empire Earth's were added (2009). To anyone with an ounce of common sense, it's pretty obvious what the gradual incremental push towards "signed only apps, no whitelist / exclusions" means for older games (that will never be signed) in the long run...
Post edited March 29, 2023 by BrianSim
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Posted March 29, 2023
That's the point. It's not Windows that's involved in potentially protecting against a malicious website but the browser.
paladin181
Cheese
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Posted March 29, 2023
VBProject: In another anti-consumer move, Steam drops support for the last PC-based offline stable great OS next year. All your purchased games that were released 10-20 years ago and work fine on XP (let alone 7) are now won't be playable on 7 without some community bypasses.
All because multibillion Valve is too lazy and too greedy to develop a legacy game downloader for 98/XP/7 users and keeps using Chromium for everything.
No GOG - no buy.
GOG officially dropped support for Win7 a while ago. Stop trying to be dramatic. All because multibillion Valve is too lazy and too greedy to develop a legacy game downloader for 98/XP/7 users and keeps using Chromium for everything.
No GOG - no buy.
Ultimately, everyone will drop support for Win 7 eventually because it is dead software.
phaolo
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Slick_JMista
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From United Arab Emirates
Posted March 29, 2023
This is just their excuse to get people to stop using older operating systems, period. i'll keep using it for as long as i can.
amok
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BrianSim
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Posted March 29, 2023
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amok: so W7 is now a OS which is outside its life cycle, meaning it is now a legacy OS, not a modern OS. gOg's buisness is not to support legacy OS's, but making games run on modern OS's (just to repeat myself).
You can "repeat" yourself as much as you like but it doesn't change the fact MS is "replacing" older OS's with newer ones that cannot be trusted to run older games anywhere near as much as older OS versions without "Trusted Computer" based OS's acting like The Mother Of All DRM itself. Think of that in context of why people are on GOG / remain on older OS's for longer in the first place. Sticking the label "legacy" on things doesn't change the lack of trust / faith people have in Microsoft in practise given their past / ongoing control-freakish behaviour. Whether you like it or not, gamers who own a large collection of older games and have so far coasted along enjoying a large degree of natural backwards compatibility up until W10 (which in turn has caused some degree of "upgrade complacency" in assuming that will always be the case in future), may well need to relearn to be significantly more flexible in future as to what OS version they'll need that will "permit" them to play them older games if some of the W11 SAC stuff becomes not so optional for consumers in future years.
paladin181
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Posted March 29, 2023
BrianSim: You can "repeat" yourself as much as you like but it doesn't change the fact MS is "replacing" older OS's with newer ones that cannot be trusted to run older games anywhere near as much as older OS versions without "Trusted Computer" based OS's acting like The Mother Of All DRM itself. Think of that in context of why people are on GOG / remain on older OS's for longer in the first place. Sticking the label "legacy" on things doesn't change the lack of trust / faith people have in Microsoft in practise given their past / ongoing control-freakish behaviour.
Whether you like it or not, gamers who own a large collection of older games and have so far coasted along enjoying a large degree of natural backwards compatibility up until W10 (which in turn has caused some degree of "upgrade complacency" in assuming that will always be the case in future), may well need to relearn to be significantly more flexible in future as to what OS version they'll need that will "permit" them to play them older games if some of the W11 SAC stuff becomes not so optional for consumers in future years.
You make a lot of claims, but Windows 10 actually fixed a lot of backwards compatible problems. As in, I can run most of my older games with little problem on 10, whgere as I had to make workarounds for them to work on 7. When it first launched, there were plenty of compatibility problems. But 10 is probably the most stable and versatile OS they've ever released. I'm not trying to convince you to move on to it, I'm just telling you many of your preconceived notions are incorrect, as most people's are when they are not speaking from experience.Whether you like it or not, gamers who own a large collection of older games and have so far coasted along enjoying a large degree of natural backwards compatibility up until W10 (which in turn has caused some degree of "upgrade complacency" in assuming that will always be the case in future), may well need to relearn to be significantly more flexible in future as to what OS version they'll need that will "permit" them to play them older games if some of the W11 SAC stuff becomes not so optional for consumers in future years.
amok
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Posted March 29, 2023
amok: so W7 is now a OS which is outside its life cycle, meaning it is now a legacy OS, not a modern OS. gOg's buisness is not to support legacy OS's, but making games run on modern OS's (just to repeat myself).
BrianSim: You can "repeat" yourself as much as you like but it doesn't change the fact MS is "replacing" older OS's with newer ones that cannot be trusted to run older games anywhere near as much as older OS versions without "Trusted Computer" based OS's acting like The Mother Of All DRM itself. Think of that in context of why people are on GOG / remain on older OS's for longer in the first place. Sticking the label "legacy" on things doesn't change the lack of trust / faith people have in Microsoft in practise given their past / ongoing control-freakish behaviour. Whether you like it or not, gamers who own a large collection of older games and have so far coasted along enjoying a large degree of natural backwards compatibility up until W10 (which in turn has caused some degree of "upgrade complacency" in assuming that will always be the case in future), may well need to relearn to be significantly more flexible in future as to what OS version they'll need that will "permit" them to play them older games if some of the W11 SAC stuff becomes not so optional for consumers in future years.
or in other words, wheter you like it or not, W7 is now a legacy OS. It is now dead, as it is no longer supported. I get it, you do not like Windows after 7, so what? this is just your personal opinions without any impact on the actual status of W7. you can wish as much as you want that W7 is not a legacy OS, but as they say - wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first. if you are a gamer with a large collection of games that only work on W7, then ut us up to you to have a legacy system that can run it. gOg's buiness is to support active OS's, not dead ones, so for them moving forward is to make the old games W10 / W11 compatable.
Post edited March 29, 2023 by amok
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Posted March 29, 2023
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paladin181: You make a lot of claims, but Windows 10 actually fixed a lot of backwards compatible problems.
I actually didn't make any claims about W10 "being less compatible than W7 with games" though. I was referring far more to the effect of the DRM (Smart App Control + Remote Attestation (TPM) added to W11 in a post-W10 world than making any claims about W10 game compatibility. Likewise that W7 ESU support ended in Jan 2023 whilst W10 ends in 2025 makes "staying on W10" irrelevant as that'll be in the same position W7 is today in 2 years time. All you've done is shout "water is wet" over and over since no-one claimed W7 wasn't out of support / being treated as legacy by MS. We simply explained why retaining one option of getting your games to run in future years (keeping a backup ISO of an older OS around just in case) is far more important to many than engaging in mindless circular arguments over labels...
Post edited March 29, 2023 by BrianSim
amok
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Posted March 29, 2023
paladin181: You make a lot of claims, but Windows 10 actually fixed a lot of backwards compatible problems.
BrianSim: I actually didn't make any claims about W10 "being less compatible than W7 with games" though. I was referring far more to the effect of the DRM (Smart App Control + Remote Attestation (TPM) added to W11 in a post-W10 world than making any claims about W10 game compatibility. Likewise that W7 ESU support ended in Jan 2023 whilst W10 ends in 2025 makes "staying on W10" irrelevant as that'll be in the same position W7 is today in 2 years time. BrianSim: All you've done is shout "water is wet" over and over since no-one claimed W7 wasn't out of support / being treated as legacy by MS. We simply explained why retaining one option of getting your games to run in future years (keeping a backup ISO of an older OS around just in case) is far more important to many than engaging in mindless circular arguments over labels...
and all you are doing is "I wish water was not wet"Post edited March 29, 2023 by amok