I do though, and explained why. I think you know very well what we're talking about here and handwaving it away by saying "both give you a license" is being pretty disingenuous. In particular you can't immediately turn around and advocate for bypassing Steam DRM, which if I'm not mistaken would be a violation of the DMCA. Also, have you actually read the user agreement here? I would guess not, because:

That's interesting, since the user agreement specifically says:

"Don't do or say anything which is or may be considered racist, xenophobic, sexist, defamatory or otherwise offensive or illegal. Be nice to each other please!"

There's a fair amount of the above content here, which you turn a blind eye to and rarely do anything about it. Any rule-enforcing seems to be very selective at best. I'm sure GOG's ludicrously antiquated forum software doesn't help facilitate that, but still, those are in fact the rules. It happens a lot more than you're implying. You may have noticed a certain amount of re-buying games on GOG that people already had on Steam, specifically to get rid of the DRM. I've done that myself and we don't do it because we want to spend more money on something we already have (because, you know, we didn't actually have it). There are very real differences that have real consequences, "they're both just licensed" or not. Maybe you don't care about those differences, but others do.

Sorry, but I just had to post again...

Lmao, why the hell is this guy a moderator here? Feels like he should be standing in front of Newell bent over with his cheeks spread.

I mean, arguing with the users here? Implying or intimating that Steam games should be cracked (and easily) if they're DRM-free here but not on Steam, (which is in my view could be seen as trying to disincentivize sales from GOG)?

Yea, this sounds like real moderator material... A Steam fanboy though, who already said they wouldn't be spending much on GOG anymore? Yep.

Why even argue "ownership" here? What are you even trying to do? No, you don't technically own any game you purchase, but you "own" what you buy here on GOG. Steam is a rental service, and Valve themselves have straight up said that. If I buy something here on GOG I "own" it, because I have the installer and no one can take that away from me.

Yeah, quite a few games on GOG are also "DRM-free" on Steam, but they still have a client dependancy just to retrieve your content and install the game. Games generally need to be installed for a reason, and Copy Pasting installed game folders is not ideal and isn't going to work in a lot of cases without additional work like tracking down missing dependencies, registry edits, and other possible things.

Yeah, and just my thoughts and feedback to the actual GOG Staff - Maybe consider removing the moderating privileges from this guy... You really want someone representing your forums and ultimately GOG that is advocating for Steam sales over GOG or trying to devalue GOG's main selling point? Basically acting like an unpaid(?) Steam shill, who's also arguing with your customers?

Plus even the GOG website mentions the word own a good amount.

From the about GOG page: "GOG.com is a digital distribution platform with a curated selection of games, a "you buy it, you own it" philosophy, and utmost care about customers."

From the galaxy page: "Install and launch any PC game you own, no matter the platform." and "Keep track of all your achievements, hours played and games owned, combined across platforms."

From the GOG connect page: "You own the games, so why buy them more than once?"

Essentially: own/owned doesn't mean that one owns the IPs, but that GOG customers do have more control over their downloaded copies than steam users do over their steam games(the ones with DRM, I mean).

Not advocating, simply saying it is possible . And it's okay to discuss topics here like piracy as long as you don't explain how or link to anything illegal. If your license is revoked it's revoked... it would be no different then GOG revoking your license for whatever reason and you still play your games after the fact because there is no DRM to prevent it. I'm no lawyer, but I'm not even sure if those license remain valid or not when GOG no longer exist.

Obviously like all rules they are left open to the discretion of the mod and / or GOG staffer... if you have something you would like to report my inbox is always open.

Not saying it doesn't happen, simply that by large games are typically released on both DRM free. There are of course cases were the drm was removed for a GOG build but never removed on Steam, but that seems to be rare. I've rebought games for that reason myself. That doesn't change the facts at hand though that both copies are licensed to me and if either store revokes that license for any reason and I continue to use my copy because of no drm I am outside of the agreement. If buying on GOG gives you peace of mind over buying on Steam or anywhere else, go for it... it did for me too for many years. But that doesn't change the legal aspect of it all.

Your free do do what you want... I have a great relationship with many GOG staff here. I never said I would not buy from GOG, I said that having the Steam Deck means I'll probably buy more from Steam over GOG because it easier. GOG knows most of it's users use Steam, hence why Galaxy exist. Most GOG staff use Steam. Also not arguing. It's my opinion. Nothing I have said here has broken any rules. If you can't handle a different view then maybe a public forum is not the best place for you.

Also don't take me the wrong way, I don't agree with software being licensed at all. I don't agree with software being sold defective by design either. I think this is 100% wrong and should not be done. But that doesn't change the what is and what isn't. I'm not saying I don't care... sometimes people take me way to literally, I'm saying that in a legal sense the difference really don't matter all that much. But I get how it matters on an individual level and morally if you will.

Sorry I don't mean to make it sound like that there isn't a district advantage to having the installer on GOG, because there is not only from a user standpoint but a ease of use standpoint... but that doesn't mean in many cases the same can't be done on Steam with a little more effort. People should buy from wherever they want, and do whatever makes them happy though.

I buy stuff here, I buy stuff at Steam. For long time GOG won out the vast majority of the time. Now Steam has something I like so they will get more of my business (most likely). That's capitalism. Doesn't make GOG any less special or not worth using. GOG is a great store (for the most part).

I'm just one person with an opinion and my opinion means nothing here in the grand scheme of things... to each their own. Neither store is inherently bad, they both have their advantages and disadvantages for different reasons.

Uh huh. What you're doing doesn't look good coming from a moderator. Discussing piracy and how easy it is to crack another stores DRM, to disincentivize GOG sales and it's DRM-free version is not a good look. Arguing or what you think is "having an opinion" with other GOG users is not a good look.

You're main prority or "job" here is to moderate the forum. Not argue with customers here, or prop up other stores by devaluing GOG's main selling point. What we need from you is the forum version of "shut up and dribble". You understand that at all? I don't want professional athletes preaching to me about politics and social issues. Just like I don't want a forum moderator on GOG acting like a f'ing Steam shill, and preaching to me about ownership and how Steam is better than GOG. You get it?

No one wants to listen to people like you prop up another store and say things like, you're not going to be buying on GOG much, GOG has an uphill battle, DRM-free just isn't important to me much anymore, the games I really want to play are on Steam, and so on and so on.

Seriously, get the hell out of here with that shit. No one here wants to hear that on a GOG forum. Why the hell should I even shop here if the moderating staff is basically telling me not to, and acting like they'd be more interested in licking McDonald's secret sauce out of Gabe Newell's *** crack than actually saying something positive about GOG or it's features?

Seriously, GOG staff... It's not a good look having people like that "representing" your forums. Moderator's acting like Steam shills, downplaying GOG's selling points while propping up Steam, arguing with users about ownership, is not what anyone wants to see on these forums. I firmly believe that GOG is the best place to buy games, and garbage like that moderator is posting is in my opinion contaminating this community.

I bet you complain to the manager a lot…

Again if you have an issue feel free to let any staff know. I'm am not paid by GOG, I do NOT work for GOG, I volunteer my time to help look after the forum. I am free to have opinion on matters, that have nothing to do with moderating the forum. Sometimes you guys act like mods aren't players, or customers ourselves. I get nothing free from GOG. I buy everything I own here. I am free to use other stores. DRM Free is just on small focal point of GOG. There are many other reasons to use GOG, like the fact older games tend to work better on newer OS's. OR because you want to see competition in the market. OR because Galaxy offers features Steam does not like rolling back patches or disabling updates.

Again like before you are being way over dramatic. I don't know what Valve or Steam every did to you but I really don't care. I never told you or anyone not to shop here. I love GOG, it's a great store. I just me personally, I'm going to probably buy more on Steam because of the Steam Deck... in a thread about the Steam Deck.. not GOG where the OP specifically asked for thoughts. You gave your opinion stop acting like it's a sin please because someone challenged your very misguided views. I never said Steam was better then GOG, GOG does a lot better then Steam... but that not the topic of discussion here.

I thought we could have reasonable discussion about this new device and the pro's and cons of it but obviously not. However, if you got an issue... my inbox is open. I suggest you use it because my patience is running out.

I suggest you read the forum code of conduct: https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/115001814049-Forum-Code-of-Conduct?product=gog

Jesus. Chill out, male Karen. That's not a professional or appropriate way to raise issues about staff conduct. And it looks way worse now that we know he's a volunteer mod.

You don't come on Final Fantasy XIV Online and prop up World of Warcraft saying how much more time you're gonna spend on it, or that you won't be playing Final Fantasy anymore, because it doesn't offer anything you like anymore.

You know what would happen if you did that really on either game? You'd get flamed hard and challenged. If you did that in the Novice Network on FFXIV, which is a channel for new players to get support, help and tips from veteran players, you'd get banned from the channel by the Mentors.

You're that guy in the novice network. Having an opinion and liking other stores, or even a different stores more than GOG is totally fine and good. I mean, people like what they like, but propping up Steam while disincentivizing GOG's features and sales (which you can deny all you want is exactly what you were doing, along with arguing and downplaying ownership and DRM-free with customers here) is not what a moderator on a GOG forum or any stores forum should be doing. If were a Steam moderator (and maybe you are) I'm sure you'd hear the same thing if you were propping up GOG. You represent the store when you're a forum moderator, and you should hold yourself to a certain standard. That's just my opinion of course.

And are you threatening me? LOL, well do your worst guy, because as I said earlier I really don't care, and like I said I'll just pack up my "shit" and leave. That doesn't hurt me at all, and hurts GOG way more in the process. I lose nothing, and they lose a customer who spends A LOT of money here. They can look at my purchase history and see. If anything I'd be actually be coming out on top here, because I'd be saving a ton of money and could still play anything I want if I wanted to join that bottom feeder life (which is beneath me, so I wouldn't).

You're kinda like that elementary school kid who's a crossing guard or hall monitor (are those even a thing anymore?) on a power trip because they get's to wear a shiny "badge". What you gonna give me a time out? Write me up? I highly doubt you can even perma ban someone from the forums, hell you might not even be able to temp ban anyone, and even if you could I really don't care. In my eyes, you're a big ass joke.

Chance to self correct? Get the 'f out of here with that shit. At any point you could have stepped away and not responded anymore. You're the one who chose to continue engaging. You're a moderator, and you don't think you should hold yourself more accountable? I'm just a regular user here.

If you have moderator under your name, regardless of what you think or want, you're looked at differently here. Not to me, because I know exactly what you are, but others would look at you as a person of some authority for GOG. So you're in your own way representing GOG, and should be held to a different standard. Hell, you should be holding yourself to a different standard, but clearly you don't. If you can't understand why it should be that way then you shouldn't be a moderator.

I don't care where else you moderate. You know what I think, I think you're a little -you know what- and like moderating because you get off on the power you think you have on some forum. Like I said, to me you're a big joke, and I don't like you at all.

You can talk about facts and ownership all you want, and you'll see that I never disputed that you technically don't own any game you purchase. Which is why I say when you buy something on GOG you "own" it. But when I have the installation files, they're in my posession and no one can do a god damn thing about that after it happens. It's in my posession, and if you can't understand or acknowledge the difference between that and what you're getting on Steam... well... you really are an idiot. Yeah, that one is directly right at you.

You can side step around and walk back what you were saying, but you know what you were saying and how it was coming off. Like how I mentioned with the MMO's, and if you do shit like that it's not going to sit well with people.

I don't care if I've repeatedly broken the rules. I don't even know the rules. You think I read the forum code of conduct? No. I use common sense rules, and that's avoiding the big no-no's, and I haven't done any of that, and would never do that anyways.

Remember, you're the one who decided to keep this going. When I said I was done posting long ago you could have left it at that, but instead you decided to respond and come at me with some "smart move" shit. Did you think that was a smart move? You're a moderator, but you don't hold yourself to a higher standard, you persued and continued to engage with others, and that's why you should be removed from your voluntary position.

If only papaGaben would offer an OLED model for those who don't play while out in the sun much, I would be quite keen to get it myself. Switch is not an alternative for me, I can't stand it much. A hacked ps oled vita is the closest alternative. Good luck getting a new one that's reasonably priced though.

Another thing with APUs is that their tdp is shared between cpu and igpu part, so if you have an application that requires high cpu clockspeed (sometimes even across multiple cores), not much is then left for the igpu and vice versa. I know how efficient an undervolted and underclocked gpu is (esp. on amd side), but still 15W is not that much of an envelope. Old apu like richland and kaveri etc had rather bad dynamic power management control, but later architectures improved this aspect. I'm interested to see how this deck will perform in other tasks too, like emulation, homebrew etc.

Btw about 15 ppl from my steam friendlist paid the deposit for Steamdeck the day it was announced, so there has to be some demand I reckon.

GOG's own User Agreement disagrees with your claim. Steam games are "licensed" as "subscriptions to the Steam service & client" which are never fully your property due to being a combination "product + service" license. You are licensed permission to use the Steam service above all else and whatever you "subscribe" to it through a client is granted as an indirect revocable privilege dependent that always will be dependent on that service. GOG games are "licensed" directly more like products (ie, digital substitutes for physical disc game) that can be used outside of any client or service and the license specifically grant the right to use offline installers if GOG ever shuts down (ie, Galaxy or the ability to use GOG's servers to re-download a game may be the "service" part of the license that expires but the offline installers are obviously treated differently as lifelong owned products that don't expire as clearly spelled out in Section 17.3 of the GOG EULA itself).

Ultimately, whatever "license" means for ownership depends on what's being licensed and how. Eg, if a relative rented out a DVD from a rental store and then died, you'd be expected to return it. If they bought the same DVD, you'd inherit ownership of it. Exactly the same product can be "licensed" differently and have different meaning for ownership. Anyone still arguing that "the mere existence of the the word 'license' anywhere means you own nothing and GOG is the same as Steam" is simply dumbing down the argument too much to the point of gibberish, as it's entirely possible to own a copy of licensed content if the license says it is "yours", and the difference in wording in GOG's "your content is still yours post GOG" vs Steam's "Steam subscriptions will always need our service" User Agreement has pretty obviously different legal meanings & implications.