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Posted July 17, 2021
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Orkhepaj: oh no , so i wont be able to run my games on linux?:O
As usual with Valve: you will be able to run you game on any platform, as long as it’s through their Steam client ;)
Posted July 17, 2021
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Orkhepaj: oh no , so i wont be able to run my games on linux?:O
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vv221: As usual with Valve: you will be able to run you game on any platform, as long as it’s through their Steam client ;)
not so good even if many games are from steam especially the multiplayer ones which cant run on linux atm
Posted July 17, 2021
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Darvond: The license is permissive, and work in Proton has already been pulled back into mainline Wine.
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vv221: I know Proton is open source. It does not make it magically usable outside of Valve ecosystem.
Actually some Linux projects do use Proton (or allow you to choose Proton to use). Gamehub allows you to pick versions of Proton you have installed with games from other services such as GOG and Itch. Heroic (Epic Game Store alternative) also can use Proton and even custom builds of Proton.
Posted July 17, 2021
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vv221: I know Proton is open source. It does not make it magically usable outside of Valve ecosystem.
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wolfsite: Actually some Linux projects do use Proton (or allow you to choose Proton to use). Gamehub allows you to pick versions of Proton you have installed with games from other services such as GOG and Itch. Heroic (Epic Game Store alternative) also can use Proton and even custom builds of Proton.
but if proton is just open source and still is steam property, then these can be illegal uses
Posted July 18, 2021
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wolfsite: Actually some Linux projects do use Proton (or allow you to choose Proton to use). Gamehub allows you to pick versions of Proton you have installed with games from other services such as GOG and Itch. Heroic (Epic Game Store alternative) also can use Proton and even custom builds of Proton.
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Orkhepaj: but if proton is just open source and still is steam property, then these can be illegal uses
Proton is derived from WINE, and therefore includes code that Valve does not own the copyright. WINE is licensed under the LGPL 2.1 or later, and therefore Valve must comply with the license when using WINE or distributing their derivative work. In particular, this means that any changes they make to it must be distributed under the same terms, which allows others to use it. (The difference between this and the GPL is that it's permissible to link it with proprietary software, so one can link a proprietary program with winelib and release it for Linux.)

Looking at Valve's proton github, there are two LICENSE files, one wjocj says tje contents have "a variety of licenses", and the other one, which covers the distribution as a whole, is a BSD-style license, so such uses are, in fact, legal,

In particular, GOG could legally adopt Proton and distribute a version of GOG Galaxy for Linux that uses it.
Posted July 18, 2021
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vv221: I don’t understand why so much Linux players seem to be happy about this…

Proton is not WINE: Proton is part of Valve walled garden, no matter its licencing it is not expected to work cleanly for non-Steam users. So while this new gaming platform might be good news for Valve Linux customers, it is most probably going to bring no benefit to anti-DRM Linux players.

It might even have an adverse effect outside of Valve ecosystem, because of the incentive to target Proton (remember: not WINE) instead of native builds.
A good amount of my family are Linux gamers but many of them stick to native games like myself so they are excited to play their games in a more portable fashion.

I'm curious how customizable this may be. It can possibly replace an HTPC easily for me in a docked fashion and be something I can use in the backyard without having to have a dedicated HTPC in that area.

I don't plan on buying Steam games, though. If I can get it and make it run my DRM Free collection with other distro features, I may pick it up for myself. For now I'm going to pick up two for my grandkids as I'm sure they will love it.
Post edited July 18, 2021 by Arcadius-8606
Posted July 18, 2021
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Orkhepaj: like with the controller?:O
yes, that's what I fear. If they do something like that I don't really want to buy it.
steam controller was a good idea (at least I liked it) and it was unique (no other controller with double touchpad instead of joypad exist, not even a clone was made), and I don't want a product that will get no replacement in the future (if I go with the portable PC idea I want to be able to upgrade to the next version in the future).
I'll wait and see if they support steam deck and make a version 2, if they dismiss it like with the steam controller I don't want it.
Post edited July 18, 2021 by LiefLayer
Posted July 18, 2021
Nice heavy & bulky brick with marvelous 7" 1280x800px 400nits & 2-8hrs of gameplay!
¿A step forward?

https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech
Posted July 18, 2021
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cryware: Nice heavy & bulky brick with marvelous 7" 1280x800px 400nits & 2-8hrs of gameplay!
¿A step forward?

https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech
yeah , probably better than a switch , what else is the alternative ?
Posted July 18, 2021
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72_hour_Richard: I've been looking to get a handheld gaming device and if my choices are:
a) a Nintendo Switch, or
b) a Steam Deck

I'm going to choose the Steam Deck 100%, because:
1) I don't have to buy any new games for many years, because I already have a large Steam collection
2) I can play the type of games I enjoy the most, instead of being limited by Nintendo
3) I want to support PC gaming, not Nintendo

So I do plan on pre-ordering one. Considering I don't have to buy any games, I could even get one of the more expensive versions.
Nintendo is offering something unique to what you already have available with a PC. I'm not arguing that a Switch is better than a PC, but since we all already have a PC and everything available with that, the Switch is actually offering something you don't have already.

What's the point of this Steam deck thing? You want portability? Get a laptop, and you have something that would be better for games, work, general use, better battery life, better peripheral options, and on top of all that it's in an arguably more convienent and portable formfactor.

Supporting PC gaming isn't being a slave to Steam either. Steam is probably the worst thing you could support right now if you want to actually help PC gaming. Anyone thinking about this thing should think again, and put that money towards a new Desktop PC / upgrades, or a Laptop instead.

I'll straight up say it - Anyone who buys into this thing on day one is a complete idiot. I'm gonna laugh my ass off if this thing has all sorts of problems, and it'll be a nightmare to repair for people. Drifting sticks, poor durability, thermal issues, faulty ports? Probably a pretty decent chance of some of that stuff happening.
Post edited July 18, 2021 by TomNuke
Posted July 18, 2021
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72_hour_Richard: I've been looking to get a handheld gaming device and if my choices are:
a) a Nintendo Switch, or
b) a Steam Deck

I'm going to choose the Steam Deck 100%, because:
1) I don't have to buy any new games for many years, because I already have a large Steam collection
2) I can play the type of games I enjoy the most, instead of being limited by Nintendo
3) I want to support PC gaming, not Nintendo

So I do plan on pre-ordering one. Considering I don't have to buy any games, I could even get one of the more expensive versions.
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TomNuke: Nintendo is offering something unique to what you already have available with a PC. I'm not arguing that a Switch is better than a PC, but since we all already have a PC and everything available with that, the Switch is actually offering something you don't have already.

What's the point of this Steam deck thing? You want portability? Get a laptop, and you have something that would be better for games, work, general use, better battery life, better peripheral options, and on top of all that it's in an arguably more convienent and portable formfactor.

Supporting PC gaming isn't being a slave to Steam either. Steam is probably the worst thing you could support right now if you want to actually help PC gaming. Anyone thinking about this thing should think again, and put that money towards a new Desktop PC / upgrades, or a Laptop instead.

I'll straight up say it - Anyone who buys into this thing on day one is a complete idiot. I'm gonna laugh my ass off if this thing has all sorts of problems, and it'll be a nightmare to repair for people. Drifting sticks, poor durability, thermal issues, faulty ports? Probably a pretty decent chance of some of that stuff happening.
I doubt you'll get a decent laptop at similar costs. You're also not a 'slave to Steam'?... It's a PC, you can put Windows on it if you want or dual boot and install anything.

I swear, some people just love being drama queens.
Post edited July 18, 2021 by Pheace
Posted July 18, 2021
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TomNuke: What's the point of this Steam deck thing? You want portability? Get a laptop, and you have something that would be better for games, work, general use, better battery life, better peripheral options, and on top of all that it's in an arguably more convienent and portable formfactor.
Maybe I want a device I can use to play PC games that is comfortable to hold in the hands, has physical controls, and does not need a flat surface?
Posted July 18, 2021
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TomNuke: What's the point of this Steam deck thing? You want portability? Get a laptop, and you have something that would be better for games, work, general use, better battery life, better peripheral options, and on top of all that it's in an arguably more convienent and portable formfactor.
Have you ever tried operating a laptop on the bus? (worse even with a controller)
I'm not saying that I have a use for this thing (I have motion sickness - so no playing games on the bus), but I do think that you're projecting a bit.
Post edited July 18, 2021 by teceem
Posted July 18, 2021
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TomNuke: I'll straight up say it - Anyone who buys into this thing on day one is a complete idiot. I'm gonna laugh my ass off if this thing has all sorts of problems
Do you *really* need to call people idiots, is that *really* necessary?

(The part of that paragraph I didn't quote is fine, unlike the part I did quote just now.)
Posted July 18, 2021
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TomNuke: What's the point of this Steam deck thing? You want portability? Get a laptop, and you have something that would be better for games, work, general use, better battery life, better peripheral options, and on top of all that it's in an arguably more convienent and portable formfactor.
Have you ever had a high end gaming laptop? Speaking as someone that owns a high end gaming laptop... they run hot, very hot. The run better when plugged in then when not plugged in (ie higher FPS, better graphical settings). It's not convenient at all if you don't have a table to set at or if you are laying bed or whatever.

I love my laptop, but this is far better designed for portable gaming.

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TomNuke: Supporting PC gaming isn't being a slave to Steam either. Steam is probably the worst thing you could support right now if you want to actually help PC gaming. Anyone thinking about this thing should think again, and put that money towards a new Desktop PC / upgrades, or a Laptop instead.
Steam is Steam. Don't be over dramatic, Steam has done fantastic things for the PC market. This is running Arch Linux with KDE by the way... you can do whatever you want on it.

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TomNuke: I'll straight up say it - Anyone who buys into this thing on day one is a complete idiot. I'm gonna laugh my ass off if this thing has all sorts of problems, and it'll be a nightmare to repair for people. Drifting sticks, poor durability, thermal issues, faulty ports? Probably a pretty decent chance of some of that stuff happening.
First off stop with the name calling. Second off then call me an idiot then.. I got my reserved 5 min after pre-orders started. It may fail. It may have issues. I doubt it, but it's a chance I'm willing to take. I'm very excited about this product, and honestly it will probably sway me to buy more on Steam then GOG in the future. Just overall less hassle.

However this may change if GOG actually makes Galaxy work on Linux, integrates proton and adds a big picture mode...
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