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UnashamedWeeb: As noted, a lot of shooting games are being released on Steam, which still leave the effect (red blood) intact. In Vietnam, games of the same genre must be edited, due to the violent nature that affects the players' psychology.
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hmcpretender: As a German I really feel for my fellow Vietnamese gamers. Our Government had the very same retarded attitude way to long and many games of that era are still censored if not banned outright. It went so far, that media didn't dare to call these games by their name because it could be considered advertisement. So called them "Steinwolf" (Wolfenstein) MOOD (DOOM), or just "indexed game from id software".

It also makes me sad that every time the customers are about to benefit from globalization as opposed to the big companies the Government goes out of its way to prevent it. If you manufacture your goods for minimum wages in some 3rd world country that is good for the economy but god forbid you want to purchase something from outside your geographical distribution area you filthy criminal...
Every country has stupid issues regarding regulations purchasing games. In Japan, you cant buy the PC versions of the MGS series because Konami is stupid (given their beef with Kojima and how quickly they killed any goodwill they had with Metal Gear Survive, Im not surprised. Konami is already dead as a game dev).

This seems to be an issue with protectionism however. Vietnam is trying to mimic South Korea and transform themselves into a gaming giant themselves in both esports and game development. I dont know if shutting off steam access will help Vietnam develop tbh. This could backfire on their developing esports teams though.
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Syphon72: This is the only game I can think from them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7554
Cool, there is even a download link for the game through Wayback Machine. Was it a freeware game then as the developers were apparently offering it for download through their homepage? Currently downloading it, a 3,9GB zip file slowly, 15 hours to download...

EDIT: Ah, forget it, the game download would abort after awhile. Oh well...
Post edited May 09, 2024 by timppu
That seems a good list. I wonder what will happen to those games on Steam, can they be still sold of Steam is not present in Vietnam anymore?
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timppu: That seems a good list. I wonder what will happen to those games on Steam, can they be still sold of Steam is not present in Vietnam anymore?
Yes, this is Steam being blocked for sale in Vietnam, it does not block VIetnamese developers/publisher to sell games via Steam in other countries. worst case scenario, the developers just need a publisher outside Vietnam to sell via Steam, but it is not even at that stage yet.
Post edited May 09, 2024 by amok
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hmcpretender: As a German I really feel for my fellow Vietnamese gamers. Our Government had the very same retarded attitude way to long and many games of that era are still censored if not banned outright. It went so far, that media didn't dare to call these games by their name because it could be considered advertisement. So called them "Steinwolf" (Wolfenstein) MOOD (DOOM), or just "indexed game from id software".

It also makes me sad that every time the customers are about to benefit from globalization as opposed to the big companies the Government goes out of its way to prevent it. If you manufacture your goods for minimum wages in some 3rd world country that is good for the economy but god forbid you want to purchase something from outside your geographical distribution area you filthy criminal...
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: Every country has stupid issues regarding regulations purchasing games. In Japan, you cant buy the PC versions of the MGS series because Konami is stupid (given their beef with Kojima and how quickly they killed any goodwill they had with Metal Gear Survive, Im not surprised. Konami is already dead as a game dev).

This seems to be an issue with protectionism however. Vietnam is trying to mimic South Korea and transform themselves into a gaming giant themselves in both esports and game development. I dont know if shutting off steam access will help Vietnam develop tbh. This could backfire on their developing esports teams though.
It would be better to try developing their own movies and really build there because South Korea never really became a giant in gaming but DID manage to really develop a filmmaking infrastructure.
The thing is South Korea kneecapped themselves by getting into only making MMO's vs. making more stuff like Korean RPG's like what Softmax did and Gravity PRE-Ragnarok Online. Hopefully Stellar Blade will get them out of this trash position on MMO's.
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Sarang: It would be better to try developing their own movies and really build there because South Korea never really became a giant in gaming but DID manage to really develop a filmmaking infrastructure.
The thing is South Korea kneecapped themselves by getting into only making MMO's vs. making more stuff like Korean RPG's like what Softmax did and Gravity PRE-Ragnarok Online. Hopefully Stellar Blade will get them out of this trash position on MMO's.
Well Stellar Blade is getting alot of good reviews and reception. Apparently the dodge and counter may be a bit finicky but its seems to be a good action game.

But I agree that South Korea's strong suit isnt video games. They have been making a strong sustained push to get their entertainment into the western world, mainly movies and k-pop. Vast majority of Asian actors in Hollywood are Korean, Korean K-pop is quite advanced (the training is incredibly rigorous and the industry cutthroat) and they have made some decent movies.

Vietnam doesnt really have V-pop from my understanding or really a huge movie scene (I think Thailand is stronger in that regard, especially when it comes to horror). So maybe they are looking into video games as their entry point.
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timppu: That seems a good list. I wonder what will happen to those games on Steam, can they be still sold of Steam is not present in Vietnam anymore?
I don't see why not unless Valve retaliates and kicks all Vietnamese devpubs off their platform. Devpubs and users can still access Steam with a VPN.

Seems like only the store.steampowered domain is blocked. I'm not sure if gov't could block the specific Akamai CDN domain specifically for Steam games, but it would get a lot more people talking about DRM-free if they did.
Vietnamese here, I just found this forum recently, I want to comment sooner but I have to wait for 2 days so yeah. Sorry for my bad English
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timppu: That seems a good list. I wonder what will happen to those games on Steam, can they be still sold of Steam is not present in Vietnam anymore?
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UnashamedWeeb: I don't see why not unless Valve retaliates and kicks all Vietnamese devpubs off their platform. Devpubs and users can still access Steam with a VPN.

Seems like only the store.steampowered domain is blocked. I'm not sure if gov't could block the specific Akamai CDN domain specifically for Steam games, but it would get a lot more people talking about DRM-free if they did.
I am afraid that they even block GOG for the same reasons of Steam too. Even XBox, and Origins, and GameFAQ I heard has recently been blocked too (though GameFAQ case, maybe because of some people use the forums or chats for illegal online gambling, though interestingly for many blocked websites (like Artstation, GameFAQ, Medium,...) discussing illegal online gambling is likely to violating the ToS but instead of noticing the moderators to ban such accounts and stricten the rules/moderations, they blocked it instead).
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Sarang: It would be better to try developing their own movies and really build there because South Korea never really became a giant in gaming but DID manage to really develop a filmmaking infrastructure.
The thing is South Korea kneecapped themselves by getting into only making MMO's vs. making more stuff like Korean RPG's like what Softmax did and Gravity PRE-Ragnarok Online. Hopefully Stellar Blade will get them out of this trash position on MMO's.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: Well Stellar Blade is getting alot of good reviews and reception. Apparently the dodge and counter may be a bit finicky but its seems to be a good action game.

But I agree that South Korea's strong suit isnt video games. They have been making a strong sustained push to get their entertainment into the western world, mainly movies and k-pop. Vast majority of Asian actors in Hollywood are Korean, Korean K-pop is quite advanced (the training is incredibly rigorous and the industry cutthroat) and they have made some decent movies.

Vietnam doesnt really have V-pop from my understanding or really a huge movie scene (I think Thailand is stronger in that regard, especially when it comes to horror). So maybe they are looking into video games as their entry point.
It's the same problem as video games too, overreacting censorship. There are lots of movies that from Vietnamese directors/producers/actors that couldn't pass the censorship; while they could let many terrible movies pass because of they could bribe the censors.
Post edited May 10, 2024 by natsume-shokogami
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Sarang: It would be better to try developing their own movies and really build there because South Korea never really became a giant in gaming but DID manage to really develop a filmmaking infrastructure.
The thing is South Korea kneecapped themselves by getting into only making MMO's vs. making more stuff like Korean RPG's like what Softmax did and Gravity PRE-Ragnarok Online. Hopefully Stellar Blade will get them out of this trash position on MMO's.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: Well Stellar Blade is getting alot of good reviews and reception. Apparently the dodge and counter may be a bit finicky but its seems to be a good action game.

But I agree that South Korea's strong suit isnt video games. They have been making a strong sustained push to get their entertainment into the western world, mainly movies and k-pop. Vast majority of Asian actors in Hollywood are Korean, Korean K-pop is quite advanced (the training is incredibly rigorous and the industry cutthroat) and they have made some decent movies.

Vietnam doesnt really have V-pop from my understanding or really a huge movie scene (I think Thailand is stronger in that regard, especially when it comes to horror). So maybe they are looking into video games as their entry point.
Yeah specifically it is Korean Americans then Korean Canadians and Canadian Asians in general. The US govt. needs to offer a tax break for more Asian American and Indigenous productions. I mean part of the reason there are a ton of Canadian Asians in film is because Canada has a film fund for this so then there are eyeballs on them so they see them for casting. Sandra Woo is Canadian and Grace Park is too and I am sure I can find many more. Sorry this is a gripe for me as there are a limited amount of Asian roles in Hollywood so it is hard enough to find work.
For the Korean movies they are generally putting out better quality too than Hollywood. There is Arthouse styled as well as blockbusters there. I am a fan of "Tale Of Two Sisters" and "White" is very underrated. Far as KPop it isn't bad. I would like to get into it as a manager as seeing how it really works within'.
Thailand knocked it out of the park with "Ready, Set, Love". It is good ORIGINAL content, not a remake of a KDrama as too many on Netflix are for Thai content.
If you like Horror I think Bangladesh may be a surprising new place for good Horror movies if "Hawa" is from talent within' there. That movie is too much of a slow burn for me but everything they did with it is structurally competent. Someone who has more patience with that will like it more.
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Sarang: Yeah specifically it is Korean Americans then Korean Canadians and Canadian Asians in general. The US govt. needs to offer a tax break for more Asian American and Indigenous productions. I mean part of the reason there are a ton of Canadian Asians in film is because Canada has a film fund for this so then there are eyeballs on them so they see them for casting. Sandra Woo is Canadian and Grace Park is too and I am sure I can find many more. Sorry this is a gripe for me as there are a limited amount of Asian roles in Hollywood so it is hard enough to find work.
For the Korean movies they are generally putting out better quality too than Hollywood. There is Arthouse styled as well as blockbusters there. I am a fan of "Tale Of Two Sisters" and "White" is very underrated. Far as KPop it isn't bad. I would like to get into it as a manager as seeing how it really works within'.
Thailand knocked it out of the park with "Ready, Set, Love". It is good ORIGINAL content, not a remake of a KDrama as too many on Netflix are for Thai content.
If you like Horror I think Bangladesh may be a surprising new place for good Horror movies if "Hawa" is from talent within' there. That movie is too much of a slow burn for me but everything they did with it is structurally competent. Someone who has more patience with that will like it more.
I hear you. The thing is I doubt there will ever be tax breaks or much support for Asians in Hollywood. Lets be real, Asians are not prioritized in Hollywood film, especially Asian males. Asian women have luckily gotten a good foot in the door and are starting to get some nice roles.

By race, the US is 60% white, 19% Hispanic and Latino, 12.6% black, and 6% Asian as of 2021. Asians are a minority (hell, possibly less than the LGBT population at 7%) and Hollywood is not really focused on building Asian talent imo. TV and streaming seem to be nicer but the roles arnt as meaty as a Japanese drama or Chinese film where the Asian male will be the star. When it comes to Asian men and their depiction in Hollywood, they are almost always either the butt of the joke or a "kung fu" guy.

I find Korean media to be a bit too focused on social hierarchy and the inequalities of capitalism (although given the situation in Seoul, I guess those stories are most prominent because thats the leading social issue there). Japan doesnt make many great films but has some great dramas. Although if an adaption is offered, they may completely screw it up. Cant even get English franchises right like Witcher or Lord of the Rings.

Not sure you would want to be a manager for a k-pop group. Its apparently very grueling and the pay for idols and managers is going to suck. Are you working in Hollywood as an actor (Im assuming Korean given your personal gripe).

Didnt know about Bangladesh. India has also been hitting it out of the park with some movies like RRR and I did enjoy Freddy.
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natsume-shokogami: It's the same problem as video games too, overreacting censorship. There are lots of movies that from Vietnamese directors/producers/actors that couldn't pass the censorship; while they could let many terrible movies pass because of they could bribe the censors.
Do you mean that there are some good movies from Vietnamese directors that dont get distributed because of censorship while bad movies can because they pass the censors (sort of like the NC-17 rating really hurting a movie's prospects)?
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Sarang: Yeah specifically it is Korean Americans then Korean Canadians and Canadian Asians in general. The US govt. needs to offer a tax break for more Asian American and Indigenous productions. I mean part of the reason there are a ton of Canadian Asians in film is because Canada has a film fund for this so then there are eyeballs on them so they see them for casting. Sandra Woo is Canadian and Grace Park is too and I am sure I can find many more. Sorry this is a gripe for me as there are a limited amount of Asian roles in Hollywood so it is hard enough to find work.
For the Korean movies they are generally putting out better quality too than Hollywood. There is Arthouse styled as well as blockbusters there. I am a fan of "Tale Of Two Sisters" and "White" is very underrated. Far as KPop it isn't bad. I would like to get into it as a manager as seeing how it really works within'.
Thailand knocked it out of the park with "Ready, Set, Love". It is good ORIGINAL content, not a remake of a KDrama as too many on Netflix are for Thai content.
If you like Horror I think Bangladesh may be a surprising new place for good Horror movies if "Hawa" is from talent within' there. That movie is too much of a slow burn for me but everything they did with it is structurally competent. Someone who has more patience with that will like it more.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: I hear you. The thing is I doubt there will ever be tax breaks or much support for Asians in Hollywood. Lets be real, Asians are not prioritized in Hollywood film, especially Asian males. Asian women have luckily gotten a good foot in the door and are starting to get some nice roles.

By race, the US is 60% white, 19% Hispanic and Latino, 12.6% black, and 6% Asian as of 2021. Asians are a minority (hell, possibly less than the LGBT population at 7%) and Hollywood is not really focused on building Asian talent imo. TV and streaming seem to be nicer but the roles arnt as meaty as a Japanese drama or Chinese film where the Asian male will be the star. When it comes to Asian men and their depiction in Hollywood, they are almost always either the butt of the joke or a "kung fu" guy.

I find Korean media to be a bit too focused on social hierarchy and the inequalities of capitalism (although given the situation in Seoul, I guess those stories are most prominent because thats the leading social issue there). Japan doesnt make many great films but has some great dramas. Although if an adaption is offered, they may completely screw it up. Cant even get English franchises right like Witcher or Lord of the Rings.

Not sure you would want to be a manager for a k-pop group. Its apparently very grueling and the pay for idols and managers is going to suck. Are you working in Hollywood as an actor (Im assuming Korean given your personal gripe).

Didnt know about Bangladesh. India has also been hitting it out of the park with some movies like RRR and I did enjoy Freddy.
You should be very proud of your Japanese Drama's, "Queen" is fantastic and like a female version of the US Drama "Bull". I love "Doctor X" too. "Sheltered Kimiko" is very sweet and "Switch Girl" is amusing. I need to buy "Kyoto Love Story" one of these days but then I am a food fan. That Japanese sweets Drama on Netflix is great.
I think Lee Seung Gi could break the stereotype for how Hollywood and Asian men. He is handsome, charming, funny and can do Drama. That range would allow him to be cast for a wide variety of films and TV shows. The only thing is for the US they would really need to make enough investment to make his English level high enough. Strangely enough he started as a singer and I had no idea as all the shows I saw him just made me think he was an actor. Sadly he was screwed so much by his label he found out in this last year, cheated so. His response was so decent, can't remember what it was but I was so impressed.
I have an idea of the Korean record label model but I want a real look at the inner workings that you and I might have missed in the documentaries covering them. Being a manager for a year or two would give me this insight. They might also be hidden too as industry secrets.
KDrama's focus on class so much because it is VERY difficult to move up. This is why the young have nicknamed South Korea "Joseon Hell". This implies it is little different than the last Colonial Korea. You have to understand the long history of Korea and the history of class. It was VERY difficult to move up to nobility in Korea, aka Yangban. To give you an idea of how twisted this is, how entrenched it was, the Civil Service Exam could only be taken by Yangban. Meanwhile in China where it was invented any male could take it.
So given all this South Korea is very firmly aware of class. Those Drama's were people brag about being graduates of Seoul National University and giving them in's or the son or daughter of a Chaebol, those are all things. I do get sick and tired of the K-Drama trope where a Chaebol guy falls in love with a poorer girl. Those are INFESTED in tvN esp. imo but there are many exceptions if you look. In fact I like JTBC Drama's because many run in direct contention to the Chaebol and class narrative, that you can succeed despite this.
I structurally thought "Parasite" was great but I still thought it was a bit too kind to the Rich and cruel as to Joon Ho's perception of the poor being conniving and clever. I think Bong Joon Ho needs to look inside and wonder if he has a bias.

By the way there is a YT video called "How the Rich Ate the Poor In South Korea" or it was middle class and there is another video saying how the Japanese ate the rich and that is why you are fairly sustainable and many there generally have a good living standard.
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natsume-shokogami: It's the same problem as video games too, overreacting censorship. There are lots of movies that from Vietnamese directors/producers/actors that couldn't pass the censorship; while they could let many terrible movies pass because of they could bribe the censors.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: Do you mean that there are some good movies from Vietnamese directors that dont get distributed because of censorship while bad movies can because they pass the censors (sort of like the NC-17 rating really hurting a movie's prospects)?
I mean there are lots of movies being critically acclaimed at expositions and even being nominated/getting prizes, but didn't pass the censors with reasons like nudity, violence, being on sentitive subjects (like the recent "Viet and Nam" movie from Truong Minh Quy, it's likely that the movie is partially based/inspired by the event of 39 Vietnamese people found dead in a container, likely illegal immgrants and related to human smuggling, in Essex the UK; and state media immediately silenced after the details of these people being announced by British authorities). And many of the times the censors don't even announce any reason why they couldn't pass at all, and thus are mostly speculations.
A commie dictatorship doing commie dictatoship things, not exactly surprising.