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Posted April 01, 2018
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ZFR: from a single game perspective, i.e. looking at that game's lore only, it's 2 separate storylines for each faction. Einstein kills Hitler, Allies go against Soviets and you play either one or the other.

Starcraft however had one single story for all campaigns. You played Terran first, then Zerg then Protoss. All three did happen one after the other; it was one storyline not 3 separate ones. This format persisted in many games later (Warcraft 3; HoMM3, HoMM5... etc).

So my question is: did any games before Starcraft have this format too?
If you put the question this way, than probably StarCraft was the first. Earlier strategy games had little difference between factions, much less in story.

Unless you consider HoMM2 story not as two separate campaigns, but one non-linear campaighn where you make a choice (as your character) whom to serve - Roland or Archibald. In fact, halfway through campaighn you have a choice to betray the leader you serve. And if you choose to do so, you will start "other campaighn".
Posted April 01, 2018
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LootHunter: Unless you consider HoMM2 story not as two separate campaigns, but one non-linear campaighn where you make a choice (as your character) whom to serve - Roland or Archibald. In fact, halfway through campaighn you have a choice to betray the leader you serve. And if you choose to do so, you will start "other campaighn".
No. Betrayal level notwithstanding, they're mutually exclusive storylines. If one happened the other didn't. You can't have Archibald be king and imprisoned in a tower at the same time.
Posted April 01, 2018
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Crosmando: How exactly is fixing bugs in the pathfinding changing the gameplay? All it does is reduce frustration and make battles more fluid. Pathfinding improvement also improves game balance as you wouldn't have units like the Dragoon which have particularly bad pathfinding and bias the game against the Protoss. In what bizarro universe is fixing bugs a controversial thing? If any other developer did a remaster of an old game but left bugs in the game with the excuse of "not changing the gameplay", they would be crusified, but Blizz gets away with it because of their retarded fanboy fans.

The "remaster" is only meant to appeal to esports players, not average players.
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Acriz: The thing is: The Koreans mastered the micro managing around those pathfinding issues, that's why they are so dominant in the esport scene. Everything is secondary to the esport scene. You can't upset pro-players and force them to adapt to changes in the balancing, those poor things. I think that is going to kill AAA gaming in the future, everythings needs to be an esport.
They could easily have created two separate game modes: One where the pathfinding is fixed and you can select unlimited amounts of units at once (for single-player and unranked mp), and one where everything except the new graphics is the same - for ranked play and tournaments. Blizz could easily have done this.
Posted April 01, 2018
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Crosmando: Blizz could easily have done this.
But who would they be doing it for? In terms of large groups of gamers, you've got the following:

1) The esports group already mentioned, they want it exactly the same but looking nicer.
2) Those that want to experience the nostalgia of playing the game they used to, exactly as it was, thus also wanting it the same difficulties.
3) Those that want to play the old campaign, but want these bugs fixed (like me). For those guys, there's an SC2 mod called Mass Recall, which takes the SC2 engine, pathing, and graphics, but recreates all the missions, units, cutscenes, etc. near perfectly (except its AI is better, and medium difficulty is hard). Given they've made the core SC2 game free, this means they've also made Mass Recall free
4) Those that haven't ever played the first one, but would like to play it. These guys probably came from SC2, and could probably go down the Mass Recall route
5) Those that don't want to mod SC2, they want SC1, but they want it different to how it was (to a not universally specified extent).

I think group 5 is actually a pretty small group, and Blizzard aren't obliged to meet their demands (even if they knew them).
Post edited April 01, 2018 by wpegg
Posted April 01, 2018
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ZFR: Were there any games before Starcraft that followed this idea?
Well, I guess the closest thing we had was Age of Empires. From what I recall each campaign was about a different faction, set in a different point in time and winning all of them was "canonical" (which was probably also true for several other strategy games with historical settings before it). Clearly not the same thing, though. I can't think of any story-driven RTS games that would have done this before StarCraft (or story-driven games in any other genre, for that matter).
Post edited April 01, 2018 by F4LL0UT
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