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Posted September 29, 2015
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Maxvorstadt: a cheap Babylon 5 clone
I'm pretty sure DS9 was a lot more expensive than B5.

(Kidding aside, I do agree it was a ripoff. But DS9 still had its moments. And Armin Shimerman is great as Quark.)
Posted September 29, 2015
Trek. I enjoy Star Wars but I really don't see what all the fuss is about.
Posted September 29, 2015
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Maxvorstadt: a cheap Babylon 5 clone
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PimPamPet: I'm pretty sure DS9 was a lot more expensive than B5.

(Kidding aside, I do agree it was a ripoff. But DS9 still had its moments. And Armin Shimerman is great as Quark.)
He was also the first person to ever play a Ferengi on Trek! Now rub my ear :o)
Posted September 29, 2015
Bacon.
Posted September 29, 2015
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Breja: I guess they really just aren't Doctor Who fans. Just like there are people who are fans of Nolan's Dark Knight movies and not really fans of Batman - I have a friend who really, really liked those movies, especially The Dark Knight, but I will never, in a million years, convince him to watch Mask of the Phantasm or read The Killing Joke or Year One.
It's funny you say that, since Year One, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns were huge influences on the Nolan Batman films, especially The Dark Knight. They rank right up there in my book with Watchmen, V for Vendetta and From Hell as being some of the best examples of literary graphic novels/comics out there. It's a damn shame he won't even touch them. It really is his loss.

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darthspudius: Actually if you keep an eye out through out TNG, DS9 and the movies there is a lot of subtle sub plots etc that hint that the federation aren't all goody goody. Especially with the likes of Odo and the Klingons. Racism and genocide.
I remember there was the early Dominion War arc episode (can't remember the title off the top of my head) where the Founders basically troll the 'Feds on Earth into suddenly thinking that everyone and anyone could be a shapeshifter. I wondered if the writers were making a not-too-subtle reference to McCarthyism and the Red Scare of the 50's.

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Fantasysci5: Yeah, I run into a ton of "Doctor Who" fans, but they've never seen any of the original series before the reboot. I try not to judge, I really do, but I feel they're just jumping on the bandwagon. And I could never say this like I want on my Facebook, or my house would be torched. :P
I don't mind so much the fact that they haven't seen any of the classic Who episodes...when I started watching jon Pertwee's episodes I realized they were paced very differently from what we know as "modern" Who -- a reflection, I suppose of how audiences have changed between then and now (see also: the difference between Star Trek: TMP from 1979 and J.J. Abrams' Star Trek from 2005). So I can understand the new fans not being so enthusiastic about wanting to watch the old episodes.

What does bother me is that Eccleston's episodes are seemingly almost all but forgotten by the Tennant fans (sad, since The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances is one of the seminal, defining episodes of NuWho, IMO), and the Tennant fans never even gave Matt Smith a chance; I've met fans who don't even know that Peter Capaldi is the new Doctor. Ugh.

Anyway, I do know what you mean about not wanting to mention it on Facebook. I've actually started poking fun at the fangirls/boys deification of Tennant on some of the groups I frequent.
Posted September 29, 2015
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PimPamPet: I'm pretty sure DS9 was a lot more expensive than B5.

(Kidding aside, I do agree it was a ripoff. But DS9 still had its moments. And Armin Shimerman is great as Quark.)
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nightcraw1er.488: He was also the first person to ever play a Ferengi on Trek! Now rub my ear :o)
Really? Were there not Ferengis b4 in TNG?
Posted September 29, 2015
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javihyuga: Bacon.
Now that is one incredibly insightful post. Thank you for sharing that with everyone.
Post edited September 29, 2015 by bad_fur_day1
Posted September 29, 2015
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Maxvorstadt: a cheap Babylon 5 clone
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PimPamPet: I'm pretty sure DS9 was a lot more expensive than B5.

(Kidding aside, I do agree it was a ripoff. But DS9 still had its moments. And Armin Shimerman is great as Quark.)
Quark was pretty good, the O'Brien + Bashir combo had some great moments as well imo.

For me it's Trek > Wars. I liked the original movie series a lot but I find it hard to rewatch them these days and the 'additions' to the franchise in the last decade have really not helped my interest in the franchise. Star trek I still rewatch regularly to this day. (granted that's 3 movies vs 3 Series with x seasons)
Post edited September 29, 2015 by Pheace
Posted September 29, 2015
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drealmer7: As long as you KNEEL and OBEY the ways of the federation and their might is right ways. They don't even question themselves and believe they've figured out how to do it BEST, they just KNOW it and push it on everyone else "this way or we'll have nothing to do with you!" I think it was very naive in the idealism it presented and never really touched on any sort of reality or complexity of life (the Maquis is about it.) I agree that it is an idealistic show trying to portray an avenue of progression for our current society, but it is very fabricated and ultimately not-so-great (because they neglect addressing how to actually achieve it) and not realistic (which some might argue "it's sci-fi, why be realistic?", but I think they were actually trying to give an idea of "how it could be.")

I still love it, don't get me wrong!
WhIle I do agree on a topical level, what amuses me so much about that take on the Federation is that, if the plot dictates it, this "might is right" Federation amounts to little more than kiddies in a tree fort. I remember how, in "Best of Both Worlds" for instance, Earth's defences are depicted as being three piddly little satellite pods that just get brushed aside by the Borg cube. In "The Search", the Defiant is billed as being a ship that was "designed to fight and defeat the Borg". Really? So when it actually does finally face the Borg, it gets its ass handed to it and needs the Enterprise-E to bail it out...

And so many times on TNG, the mighty Enterprise-D's shields seemingly go down in one hit, and two hits are all it takes to seemingly put the entire ship on the verge of bursting into flames. And this was supposed to be the most technologically advanced starship that Starfleet has to offer?

The only time I can remember where Federation ships actually did kick serious ass was the Voyager episode with the Prometheus...

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drealmer7: Farscape rules all, btw.
What a brilliant show that was. That and B5. Some of the best sci-fi ever made. It's a damned shame they didn't get the recognition they truly deserved.
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nightcraw1er.488: He was also the first person to ever play a Ferengi on Trek! Now rub my ear :o)
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Maxvorstadt: Really? Were there not Ferengis b4 in TNG?
Armin Shimerman did play a Ferengi character on two early season episodes of TNG, but they were presumably different characters altogether from Quark on DS9.
Post edited September 29, 2015 by rampancy
Posted September 29, 2015
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nightcraw1er.488: He was also the first person to ever play a Ferengi on Trek! Now rub my ear :o)
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Maxvorstadt: Really? Were there not Ferengis b4 in TNG?
Nope, as far as I recall, I remember him being the first. IMDB also thinks this:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001734/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia

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I said he played a Ferengi, not that he was Quark in TNG.
Posted September 29, 2015
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nightcraw1er.488: I said he played a Ferengi, not that he was Quark in TNG.
Ah, but he was!
Posted September 29, 2015
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Maxvorstadt: Really? Were there not Ferengis b4 in TNG?
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nightcraw1er.488: Nope, as far as I recall, I remember him being the first. IMDB also thinks this:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001734/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia

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I said he played a Ferengi, not that he was Quark in TNG.
Well, the link says that Armin played a Ferengi in TNG, so there were clearly some Ferengis in TNG!
Oh, and this one from your link about Armin I found interesting and funny:

Was on the set of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993) during a large earthquake in Los Angeles. He rushed to go home to check on his family, so he did not have time to get his makeup removed. His Ferengi makeup "scared the living shit out of people" as he says at conventions. :-)
Posted September 29, 2015
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nightcraw1er.488: As for distant dystopian future, Andromeda was hilarious, so overly camp and cliche'd. Personally I would like to see a dark future of the federation in more Blade Runner style
I really wanted to like Andromeda. I really, really did (I even watched its sister show, Earth: Final Conflict, even though it got really cheesy after the first season, IMO). I even made excuses for it in my head (like I did with Enterprise) when I watched some utterly ridiculous episodes like The Mathematics of Tears. Ugh.
Posted September 29, 2015
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nightcraw1er.488: I said he played a Ferengi, not that he was Quark in TNG.
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PimPamPet: Ah, but he was!
Indeed, but that was far later in series 7, his first appearance was as Letek in Season 1 episode 4. It wasn't until 5 years after that appearance he was offered Quark.

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Maxvorstadt: ...snip b4 in TNG?
Sorry, I misread this as before TNG. Your quite right Ferengi's appeared in S1E4.
Posted September 29, 2015
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rampancy: I really wanted to like Andromeda. I really, really did (I even watched its sister show, Earth: Final Conflict, even though it got really cheesy after the first season, IMO). I even made excuses for it in my head (like I did with Enterprise) when I watched some utterly ridiculous episodes like The Mathematics of Tears. Ugh.
I actually liked Andromeda's first season. I'd never put it in any "favourite shows" list, but I liked it. But it went downhill fast and ugly. And so did The Final Conflict, which I absolutely loved as a kid, the first season at least. Now that one was really good. It was something new and different and fun. But after the main character of the first season left it never recovered in my eyes.
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