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Starmaker: Mark Hamill posted a tweet:
https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/945784443964309505

I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that- @rianjohnson made an all-time GREAT one! #HumbledHamill
The mouse giveth, the mouse taketh. Why do I get the mental image of a bunch of Disney lawyers showing up on Mr Hamill's doorstep?
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MaGo72: It is called damage control. In May 2018 Disney will shove the next Star Wars movie "Solo" into the cinemas, so everybody must be eager and happy to see it.
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Nerevar.220: They just pulled an Alien 3, there's no damage control to fix this without rebooting. Solo? He's gone down as the man who failed so much as a father his own son killed him. Also, good luck recasting a young Ford.

This was clear from TFA though. The moment they made the OT heroes rise that Darth Idiot, it was clear they had no respect at all for them. And the New Republic is dumber than the Citadel Council in Mass Effect 2. Didn't think that was possible.
Han Solo actor: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2403277/?ref_=tt_cl_t2 :)

Solo movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3778644/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1
Post edited December 27, 2017 by MaGo72
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Starmaker: snip
We are both making assumptions here. Like you said, depends on masses and distances. And no one is going to make all the calculations to check everything.

You assume the ship was at a stable orbit over the dreadnaught. I am assuming that the ship, so close to a much bigger ship with much greater mass, must have been actively fighting against its gravitational pull, and that the bombs, once released, wouldn't be able to.

Of course it's not realistic. The gravitational acceleration was like it'd be on Earth, when in reality it would be much lower.

But in the end, in a series with laser swords, and hyperspace travel, and the force, "big thing in space attracts smaller things" isn't preposterous, even if they do take some liberties with it.

And, finally, the reason so many people immediately reject the idea is because in their minds:

Earth=Gravity, Space=No Gravity

Instead of:

Every mass has a gravitational pull, the bigger it is, and closer you get to it, the stronger it gets.
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tinyE: XD I'm not saying anything should be believed. My biggest gripe here, and this applies mostly to the physics aspects of this thread, is people, not you, but several others, blaming this as a symptom of the new movies. They have been pulling crazy shit like this since 1977,
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MaGo72: Aye, they pulled also crazy stuff back then - that is not the point when you create a scifi-fantasy universe, the point is to be consistent in the crazy stuff you have created and to not throw it all over with new bullshit which is even in the before created crazy universe not possible.
Star Wars isn't scifi, at least to me, it's pure fantasy. Star Trek is scifi. Everything in the Star Trek universe has a bases in actual scientific fact as we know it. The things they do may not be possible, but at the very least they are based on the theory that they might be possible, and it is something those shows and movies have always stood by.

I don't think anyone ever associated with Star Wars ever intended the movies to be seen as even remotely realistic. From the first movie to the last, those movies have been based on style and fantasy, not reality. "Let's do this? Who cares if it's possible, it's Star Wars, not fucking '2001'!" :P
No idea at all. Thing is, can he give Han the air Ford did, rather than an immitation? Back then, only other actor I think could have pulled it off was Kurt Russell, today ...
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MaGo72: Aye, they pulled also crazy stuff back then - that is not the point when you create a scifi-fantasy universe, the point is to be consistent in the crazy stuff you have created and to not throw it all over with new bullshit which is even in the before created crazy universe not possible.
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tinyE: Star Wars isn't scifi, at least to me, it's pure fantasy. Star Trek is scifi. Everything in the Star Trek universe has a bases in actual scientific fact as we know it. The things they do may not be possible, but at the very least they are based on the theory that they might be possible, and it is something those shows and movies have always stood by.

I don't think anyone ever associated with Star Wars ever intended the movies to be seen as even remotely realistic. From the first movie to the last, those movies have been based on style and fantasy, not reality. "Let's do this? Who cares if it's possible, it's Star Wars, not fucking '2001'!" :P
That is why I called it "SciFi-Fantasy" but in every universe(Sci FI or Fantasy) that is created, where stories are told, you establish consistency, a base of things that can happen.

Take Lord of the Rings(low fantasy) and the Forgotten Realms(high fantasy). What do you think would people have said when the Hobbit suddenly takes place in a Forgotten Realms high fantasy setting or The Lord of the Rings would have armies of wizards throwing around fireballs like candy, levitating over armies, teleporting around on the battlefield, necromants reanimating the dead to fight on and so on, sorcerers summoning demons from other planes?
Post edited December 27, 2017 by MaGo72
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MaGo72: That would be the slowest bomb drops ever.
Well, those were the slowest bombers ever.
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MaGo72: That would be the slowest bomb drops ever.
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Breja: Well, those were the slowest bombers ever.
Cough, good point. I wonder what happened to the Y-Wings.
Post edited December 27, 2017 by MaGo72
In all seriousness (or at least as much as is possible on the subject) - there is no point in arguing about the physiscs of it, or the science of it. None of that has any place in Star Wars. Never had. The only issue is whether the particular scene looks silly to us or not, and that is obviously subjective.

I've had a very long discussion about the movie with friends yesterday (it really tells you something about the importance of SW by the way, that it was the first time in months we all gatherd together in such a large group, and still The Last Jedi kept dominating the conversation on and off again for 6 hours more than any other subject) and one guy really tried to defend Leia's "Superman Returns" scene, and you know what? He actually made some good points. But they don't change that the scene still is just silly to me. Same goes for the super-shitty bombers.

By the way, seriously, what happened to all the Y-wings? Those were supposed to be the slow-ass bombers, and yet they were way faster than the ones from TLJ. How is the Rebellion in a galaxy so totally dominated by the Empire equipped so much better than the Resistance fighting Empire's leftovers?
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MaGo72: Take Lord of the Rings(low fantasy) and the Forgotten Realms(high fantasy). What do you think would people have said when the Hobbit suddenly takes place in a Forgotten Realms high fantasy setting or The Lord of the Rings would have armies of wizards throwing around fireballs like candy, levitating over armies, teleporting around on the battlefield, necromants reanimating the dead to fight on and so on, sorcerers summoning demons from other planes?
The battle that ended the First Age would make D&D seem tame, though. It destroyed a good chunk of the continent. It's often repeated in LotR that both Sauron and the heroes are very far from those times. It took days of CQC for Gandalf to kill the balrog, a survivor from back then.

But yeah, how often people, creators included, think because it's fantasy or sf no rules apply is baffling. Especially when they do it way after they started it up. Take Alien, it went from almost hard sf to failing at high school biology.
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Breja: Well, those were the slowest bombers ever.
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MaGo72: Cough, good point. I wonder what happened to the Y-Wings.
Ever try the Trench Run in the old X-Wing game with a B-Wing? There is no way! They don't fit in the trench!
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Breja: <snip>
I thought the better movie analogy I heard for Leia's scene was "Mary Poppins".

Y-wings are comparable in size to X-wings, which were tiny compared to those bombers, so I assume we're talking a different scale of ship, and that a Y-wing would not have been able to carry sufficient ordinance to make a dent.
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Breja: <snip>
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wpegg: I thought the better movie analogy I heard for Leia's scene was "Mary Poppins".
Come on-it's the exact same shot!
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Breja: By the way, seriously, what happened to all the Y-wings? Those were supposed to be the slow-ass bombers, and yet they were way faster than the ones from TLJ. How is the Rebellion in a galaxy so totally dominated by the Empire equipped so much better than the Resistance fighting Empire's leftovers?
Really, in real world terms, these movies' plot involves nazi Germany being defeated but not destroyed, allowed to rearm and develop nukes while the allies disarmed 99% of their forces, and most of the world surrendering after the UN gets nuked.

So I wouldn't expect anybody to have bothered whether things made sense or not.

About the rebels, I think different members of the late Republic did have a military, and joined the Rebellion once Palpatine's mask fell off. Unlikely they built any after ep 3, so ships lost would be very hard to replace.
Post edited December 27, 2017 by Nerevar.220
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Nerevar.220: Really, in real world terms
See, this is were you lose me :D

Anyway, I'm not saying it can't be like that, I'm just saying they could have done a better job with the worldbuilding in those movies instead of basically shrugging and saying "oh, it's in the expanded universe stuff". And having a set up that isn;t just a re-tread of the Empire/Rebelion war would have been even better.
Post edited December 27, 2017 by Breja