Posted December 27, 2017
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Posted December 27, 2017
phaolo: some elements are only accepted for the "rule of cool", like the sound in space.
We all know it shouldn't be possible even in SW, but mute space battles would be way more boring..
Actually in Star Wars there is no sound in space. The sound is in the ship's cockpit. It is produced by a system that registers radiation from explosions. Like geiger counter that makes a noise out of radioactive particles. We all know it shouldn't be possible even in SW, but mute space battles would be way more boring..
Basically if you have a flash of gamma rays behind your ship, that system emulates the sound of explosion behind you. This way you can learn about explosions by hearing, so you don't need to look around. I don't remember where I have seen this explaination, but I think it's quite reasonable.
phaolo: Dropping bombs in zero-g is far more unrealistic than many other SW scenes (even if it's still an unimportant small detail overall).
DaCostaBR: 1. They were still near orbit if I recall. 2. You're mistaken if you think a 200 trillion ton steel dreadnought doesn't produce gravity.
Post edited December 27, 2017 by LootHunter
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Posted December 27, 2017
DaCostaBR: 1. They were still near orbit if I recall.
2. You're mistaken if you think a 200 trillion ton steel dreadnought doesn't produce gravity.
I don't remember a planet directly "under" the ships. 2. You're mistaken if you think a 200 trillion ton steel dreadnought doesn't produce gravity.
Also, those dreadnoughts weren't that big.
Think about the Moon: it's an huge satellite planet and still has low gravity..
LootHunter: Actually in Star Wars there is no sound in space. The sound is in the ship's cockpit. It is produced by a system that registers radiation from explosions.
Mm.. I've never read about such thing in SW. Also, we can hear the sounds even when the camera is outside the cockpits, so I doubt that such explanation is valid.
Post edited December 27, 2017 by phaolo
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Posted December 27, 2017
Didn't saw it yet, I don't want to rush things. I'll go see the movie if it is shown in a cheap theater. And since star wars is such a big thing now, they are likely to show it. Just with a delay.
Post edited December 27, 2017 by leviathe
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Posted December 27, 2017
phaolo: Dropping bombs in zero-g is far more unrealistic than many other SW scenes (even if it's still an unimportant small detail overall).
DaCostaBR: 1. They were still near orbit if I recall. 2. You're mistaken if you think a 200 trillion ton steel dreadnought doesn't produce gravity.
Depending on masses and distances, the bombs are going to orbit either the bomber, or the dreadnought, or the planet. A wrecked bomber isn't going to fall anywhere either, meaning, in the situation portrayed in the movie, the bombs will explode inside anyway (and then space garbage may collide with the dreadnought).
This isn't "weird" physics unfit for entertainment like relativity or quantum mechanics: many, many books and movies got this right. In fact, entertainment-educated people, a large fraction of whom still think god created a flat earth in six days 6000 years ago, are complaining because the fuckup is unique and therefore looks wrong, not because they went and solved a bunch of differential equations in 3d vector space.
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Mark Hamill posted a tweet:
https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/945784443964309505
I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that- @rianjohnson made an all-time GREAT one! #HumbledHamill
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Posted December 27, 2017
LootHunter: I wonder, how much they paid him. Or was it some penalty in the contract?
Anyways,
1. I don't believe this apology.
2. Senile Luke and Lea who pulls herself through space IMHO are the least of TLJ problems.
It is called damage control. In May 2018 Disney will shove the next Star Wars movie "Solo" into the cinemas, so everybody must be eager and happy to see it. Anyways,
1. I don't believe this apology.
2. Senile Luke and Lea who pulls herself through space IMHO are the least of TLJ problems.
Another thing that has come to my mind. If Finn can pinpoint the position of the Hyperspace Tracker Device on the hologram, then he new about it. Why did he not tell anybody about it?
Post edited December 27, 2017 by MaGo72
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DaCostaBR: 2. You're mistaken if you think a 200 trillion ton steel dreadnought doesn't produce gravity.
I never thought of that. Good call DaCosta, especially given how close the bomber were. There would definitely be a pull from something that size. Also, since do we just assume the bombs dropped?How do you know they weren't launched/catapulted?? It looked like a drop, but in zero gravity, it wouldn't take much of a push to make it look like a drop. All the ship would require is something at the top of the racks to give, just a slight, nudge, and those bombs are going to act like they did in the movie.
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Posted December 27, 2017
DaCostaBR: 2. You're mistaken if you think a 200 trillion ton steel dreadnought doesn't produce gravity.
tinyE: I never thought of that. Good call DaCosta, especially given how close the bomber were. There would definitely be a pull from something that size. Also, since do we just assume the bombs dropped?How do you know they weren't launched/catapulted?? It looked like a drop, but in zero gravity, it wouldn't take much of a push to make it look like a drop. All the ship would require is something at the top of the racks to give, just a slight, nudge, and those bombs are going to act like they did in the movie.
And 2nd, how could that pilot breathe in that compartment with the bombs when the doors had been opened? I guess it is the same reason the crew got not pulled out, when they opened the door to let Leia into the cruiser.
Post edited December 27, 2017 by MaGo72
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Posted December 27, 2017
DaCostaBR: 2. You're mistaken if you think a 200 trillion ton steel dreadnought doesn't produce gravity.
tinyE: I never thought of that. Good call DaCosta, especially given how close the bomber were. There would definitely be a pull from something that size. Also, since do we just assume the bombs dropped?How do you know they weren't launched/catapulted?? It looked like a drop, but in zero gravity, it wouldn't take much of a push to make it look like a drop. All the ship would require is something at the top of the racks to give, just a slight, nudge, and those bombs are going to act like they did in the movie.
Mass of Earth is about 6x10^21 tons - i.e. about 30 million times heavier (I may have misplaced a zero, but it's a lot).
You have to get REALLY big before gravity has any effect, this would be a similar effect to a fly pushing on the spaceship. I think your springs at the top of the launchers is a much more sound idea.
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Posted December 27, 2017
I already posted upthread but it bears repeating: Mark Hamill repeatedly bashes conservatards on twitter, including Trump hinself. If he weren't in full control over his public expression (through carrot or stick), neither his initial criticism of the movie nor his persistent conservatard-bashing wouldn't have happened.
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Posted December 27, 2017
tinyE: I never thought of that. Good call DaCosta, especially given how close the bomber were. There would definitely be a pull from something that size.
Also, since do we just assume the bombs dropped?How do you know they weren't launched/catapulted?? It looked like a drop, but in zero gravity, it wouldn't take much of a push to make it look like a drop. All the ship would require is something at the top of the racks to give, just a slight, nudge, and those bombs are going to act like they did in the movie.
MaGo72: You seriously think that those crap bombers and their bombs are developed to work with the gravity of objects they have as a target? That would be the slowest bomb drops ever. Also, since do we just assume the bombs dropped?How do you know they weren't launched/catapulted?? It looked like a drop, but in zero gravity, it wouldn't take much of a push to make it look like a drop. All the ship would require is something at the top of the racks to give, just a slight, nudge, and those bombs are going to act like they did in the movie.
And 2nd, how could that pilot breathe in that compartment with the bombs when the doors had been opened?
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Posted December 27, 2017
LootHunter: I wonder, how much they paid him. Or was it some penalty in the contract?
Anyways,
1. I don't believe this apology.
2. Senile Luke and Lea who pulls herself through space IMHO are the least of TLJ problems.
MaGo72: It is called damage control. In May 2018 Disney will shove the next Star Wars movie "Solo" into the cinemas, so everybody must be eager and happy to see it. Anyways,
1. I don't believe this apology.
2. Senile Luke and Lea who pulls herself through space IMHO are the least of TLJ problems.
This was clear from TFA though. The moment they made the OT heroes rise that Darth Idiot, it was clear they had no respect at all for them. And the New Republic is dumber than the Citadel Council in Mass Effect 2. Didn't think that was possible.
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MaGo72: You seriously think that those crap bombers and their bombs are developed to work with the gravity of objects they have as a target? That would be the slowest bomb drops ever.
And 2nd, how could that pilot breathe in that compartment with the bombs when the doors had been opened?
tinyE: XD I'm not saying anything should be believed. My biggest gripe here, and this applies mostly to the physics aspects of this thread, is people, not you, but several others, blaming this as a symptom of the new movies. They have been pulling crazy shit like this since 1977, And 2nd, how could that pilot breathe in that compartment with the bombs when the doors had been opened?