Obi Wan does know him, R2D2 is looking for his former "master" Obi Wan Kenobi. He may not remember him for some reason or does not want to show that he recognizes it, but R2D2 states that Kenobi was his master.

No, he didn't knew that Snoke was corrupting Kylo, until Kylo was already corrupted. That's what Luke says. How could an accomplished Jedi Master not see the process from the beginning, especially since his padawan is always under his supervision?
They do. The ending of Return of the Jedi is Empire fall and rise of the New Republic. Where did Snoke come from? Even if he was some powerful sith hermit (which is already nonsense) how he could assemble such a big army for The First Order?
Listen, it's not about the "lore", though for me fitting with established facts is obviously more important than for you. The main thing that new trilogy should be consistent with originals is the premise.

In original trilogy The Force was literally a force that has it's way and one can tap into it with sufficient training. Some have more talent with it, yes, but ultiamtely it was the Force user's training, that would define how it is used. And the whole Dark and Ligh sides was about a personal choice, which would be a result of a long road of deeds and, again, training.

In sequels Force is pretty much a gift. If you just have in, like Rey, you simply use it without any preparations required. In which case the whole Jedi Order is indeed worthless (as Luke states). Who needs organisation for training in the ways of the force if no one needs training? "You are what you are" - that's the message of the sequel take on the Force users. It's very lukrative for those, who think that just for "who they are" they entitled to be always on the right side (politics again, I guess), but it is definitely not the message about agency, about achievements through overcoming obstacles (with a little help from The Force) that original trilogy captured so many people back in the day.

Well, I can forgive prequels of movies released 30 years before not fitting in every single detail (even if I'd have preferred so).
But modern sequels recycling old plots (all SW7), badly following the previous lore (Snoke? Force training?) and ruining the previous main characters? (WTF they did to Luke..) That's a way worse sin..

Yeah, I guess no one wants to show they know anything they should know according to the prequels :P
This again. Jesus H. Christ. I'm done. Fuck it. I'm gonna find a nice island with porgs on it. The further away from you people the better.

I agree TFA is probably the least interesting SW movie ever. It's lack of originality is indeed downright sad. It's still a more competent movie than any of the prequels though. I mean, if you were to watch the prequels with no previous knowledge of SW, they are still horrible, boring, badly acted, terribly written crap. TFA without any previous knowledge of SW is a watchable, unremarkable Sci-fi action movie.

And Luke in TLJ... it bothers me too, somewhat, but after the prequels I don't really care about SW the same way anymore. It's not some holy thing upon a pedestal. It's already been dragged through mud and made into a joke. So I'm more open to whatever they come up with. I don't like a lot of what the new movies have done with the old characters, but at least it's an interesting and unexpected way to deal with a character like Luke, and Hamill does a fantastic job with it. It's better than what prequels did for pretty much any established character, except maybe Obi-Wan, though his "I'll cut off your legs and leave you here to burn alive" moment is still more jarring than anything done with Luke in the Last Jedi.

And why would you watch new Star Wars movie, without previous knowledge of Star Wars? No, seriously, politics aside, what was the point to call your film Star Wars if it has nothing to do with Star Wars? Spaceballs perfectly reused elements from The New Hope and Empire Strikes Back without "Star Wars" name on it.

If they would stop cramming their leftist ideals down our throats in entertainment, we could actually watch a movie with a real story.

As far as the soundtrack, it's just there with some retreads of themes from the OT.

Probably the worst part of about this atrocious story was there is nothing to look forward to in Ep 9 except more of the same. TFA left you with questions and a reason to look forward to Ep 8. Ep 8 destroyed all of that and left you with nothing to look forward to other than a moronic First Order fail against an army of nothing but women. Oh, and arcing turbolaser blasts in space, or people not dying from extending space exposure.

It went from a space epic with a few jokes here and there to break it up to a giant joke with nothing serious at all in it. Maybe it is the SW for the millennials, nothing but social justice dribble with half-wit "humor". Honestly, probably the under 12 crowd in the theatre enjoyed it the most, it seems to be made for them.

Why do I get the feeling that he sees "left wing political conspiracies" in literally everything he watches? :P

Right now he's sitting at home watching a PopTart commercial screaming, "Look at that! She grabbed the PopTart with her left hand! Fucking liberal media!"

The prequels may have been somewhat silly, but the basic idea behind them was pretty great...a republic being subverted, liberty being lost and an empire created (interesting commentary on the Bush administration at the time)...a classical theme, like in Tacitus's annals. They could have been done much better, but the concept was interesting.
The new movies just sound stupid.

Really? They hired left-handed person for a commercial? That would be a surprise, because "left wingers" don't give a f*ck about left-handed people. Women, blacks, LGBT - that's their focus, but when it comes to left-handed (who are actually suffer a lot more discrimination than all of the above) they just don't care.

To be fair Star Wars have never been about physics. I mean you have people parrying beams of light without moving at relativistic speed and parsecs being used as a unit of time. Given how badly the original trilogy ignored physics it's kinda expected given that it's Star Wars.

Hopefully the villain in the new movie is less pathetic than Han Solo's emo son whose mastery over the dark side is the equivalence of Jar Jar Binks mastery over the dark side...considering a scavenger from a desert planet owned his ass. Actually I take that back. Jar Jar Binks would have been able to beat Rey with the dark side. There is only so many times, you can hear him talk without losing your sanity. So imagine what he could do with the force...

Luckly for me, I didn't notice the arching turbolasers (one less cringe).

EDIT: I'm too tired to discuss properly tonight +_+

01. Luke refuses to kill Vader - the most evil man in the galaxy. He then turns Vader back to the light side and they defeat the sith. He has seen the jedi way work - first hand. TLJ......his nephew starts showing sighns of dark side issues. Luke's automatic response is to sneak into his bedroom while considering murder.....on Han and Leia's son. That is so out of character it is character-assassination.

02. Luke giving up. Yeah....in the OT his mind and body took more hits than this, and way more setbacks. Yet he did not give up.

03. Dropping bombs in zero gravity. Dumb and lazy writing.

04. the Order having suffered NO damage after losing their main base. The Order wasn't as big as the empire - far from it. 5 minutes after losing Starkiller base...no biggie.

05. Finding DJ. Useless and pointless 40 minutes of the movie. R2 and BB-8 have been hacking shields and computers and whatnot for 7 movies.

06. Rose. She is in the movie to be asian and female. That's it. Disney wanted to check their progressive-boxes and she was it. Remove all her scenes (and Finn's) and you won't affect the plot or the story. Pointless character and pointless side-story.

07. Casino planet. See above. + Rian Johnson and Kackling Kennedy having said they wanted to shine a light on Saudi Arabian camel-racing and how it is cruel.....yeah. Lets put their pet peeves into a SW movie where it belong.

08. Holdo. Feminist. Blue hair and all. Somehow is more important than Ackbar.

09. Kackling Kennedy making a statement saying Star Wars will no longer cater to straight white males. See points 08. Aslo a weird thing for her to say. SW has had all kinds of fans since day one.

10. Holdo Hyperspacing through Snoke's ship. If that was possible the Rebels could have done that vs Star Destroyers and even the Death Stars since the first movie. This was not possible due to shields around the Star Destroyers and the Death Stars. Suddenly shields are not an issue now because "strong empowered female character".

11. Phasma. Most useless character in SW history. She contributes absolutely nothing, and she is a non threat to the characters.

12. Snoke. If you introduce and set up a villain, make use of him. Add some motivation to his actions. Like Phasma he went nowhere.

13. Knights of Ren.....Where did they go? Another set-up that went nowhere.

14. Rey's parents. Also set up bigtime. Everytime Solo and Leia are about to talk to someone about her in ep 7, the scene cuts. Now it just ended with....they were junkies. Which contradicts the lore somewhat. She is clearly more powerful than Anakin - who was born through the force itself. Not a big deal compared to a female junkie-offspring it seems.

15. Rey is a Mary-Sue. Started in the last movie, and it continued into this movie. Lifting a pile of huge rocks on her first try. Being able to Skype with Kylo (not even Vader and Anakin could do that). Kathleen Kennedy hired feminists to "help with the script" for episode 7. Not kidding. She made a statement about it. The result is a female lead that is good at everything for no reason. She could even swim in this movie. Grew up in a desert. Never been in water before....could swim like a fish.

16. Kylo. Did not want to kill Leia. Didn't shoot. 3 minutes later. "Kill them all! Mommy included!"

17. Every female in the movie teaching males a "lesson" of sorts.

18. Leia doing a superman impression in space. Despite having never used the force on screen before (see all points on feminism). If this was a simple force-skill Palpatine would have used it when he fell down the shaft.

19. Rey and Kylo skyping through the force.

20. Ackbar killed like he was nothing. Nobody cared he was dead.

21. Where did the AT-AT.s go?

22. Where did the star destroyer's go? Why not surround the final planet to keep rebels from escaping? Naw lets just let them all escape.

23. Luke's hologram\skype power. A new force power introduced at the very end of the movie, because the plot needs it. No foreshadowing or even a mention of it earlier. That is called Deus Ex Machina, and it is one of the surest signs of bad writing out there.

24. Luke croaking from a "skype call". Marvelous. Death by skype.....


Yeah the movie was a complete stinker. It didn't just ruin Luke Skywalker it also ruined the trilogy and possibly the whole saga in the process. What the heck is JJ going to do with the next one? Johnson burned all the threads and plot-points to bits in this one. Who is left to cheer for? A bunch of characters nobody cares one shit about. Rose?, Rey, Poe? They have zero charisma and they are utterly one-dimensional. It would help if one could root for the villains but....Kylo? He is worse than Anakin in episode 2.

Good bits? Well Mark Hamill delivered some great acting. At least it looked great since the rest of the cast were so bad. This movie also made me like the prequels a lot more. Flawed they may be, but they are made by Lucas. They have a heart and soul and they were made with love. This movie was made with a political agenda, and it came off an assembly line in a soulless machine who's only purpose is to make money.


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R.i.P Star Wars

1977-2017.

A lot of those complaints apply to the original trilogy, especially about your complaint about how unrealistic bombs in space are. XD

Because light speed, being able to turn on a dime in zero gravity, and explosions in a vacuum, all heavily featured in the original trilogy, are super realistic. XD

I will give you credit for the Order not seeming to suffer from their major defeat at the end of VII. It only makes sense that by losing their main base, The Order isn't just going to be able to bounce back and wage a full on attack. That never would have happened in the original movies, like when Luke blew up the Empire's main base and the Empire immediately waged a full on seek and destroy on the entire galaxy. That never would have happened. Oh wait...

BUT YOU ARE totally right about Holdo. It's a joke. The very idea that the leader of the rebellion could be female is just stupid. Thank god got they didn't try that bullshit with "A New Hope". *cough*.