Mafwek: Besides, good is ethical category, and you are discussing aesthetics.
Ok, I‘ll indulge you for a second: From a purely ethical perspective, considering that the money spent on each of these films and how that money could be spent on feeding third world countries, these films are neither good nor bad - they‘re reprehensible.
And that‘s not even taking into account how these films purely exist to line the wallets of a megacorp (don‘t tell me they had the inherent artistic desire to tell a story - if they did, they would have drawn up an overarching story outline for this new trilogy beforehand and it wouldn‘t have ended in such a sorry mess), all the while they cram bogus social justice causes down your throat. Reprehensible. Disgusting.
StingingVelvet: First off there's no such thing as objectively good art.
Postmodernist hogwash. This kind of mind rot is precisely the reason (art in) the West is in terminal decline right about now.
Unless you‘re trying to suggest that lolololol Jerry Springer = the collected works of Ingmar Bergman because lololol both are moving images with a soundtrack attached to them and besides it‘s all subjective anyway lololololol. Playing devil‘s advocate is all fine and dandy, but don‘t take it to the level where your arguments make you come across as a bit of a dip, please!
StingingVelvet: I definitely like some "bad" movies for other reasons... like say, Commando...
Commando - for all its flaws - is a perfect thing and these other two films do not even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence. Shame on you for suggesting that one is "bad", and for drawing an unfavorable comparison to those other two films.
Here‘s an "objective" way to tell if a film is good or bad: People fondly remember it 35 years down the road - like Commando.
I can bet you this: No one is going to look back fondly on those two other films you mentioned in 35 years. The only fondness will be in the way of "Oh well, at least those two didn‘t suck nearly as much as the other three did.“
StingingVelvet: My main point is Star Wars is too popular to be abandoned. They'll keep trying.
Yeah, they also keep trying with the Chinese market - to diminishing returns. Episode 7: $50 million opening. Episode 8: $25 million opening. Episode 9: $1.57 million opening. Like I said in another thread, I'm surprised that the state censor still grants licenses to these films and that theatre owners aren't causing a ruckus about this yet, considering they can't be too happy about being forced to show films that are sure to play to an empty screening room. Western audiences aren't quite there yet because of misguided nostalgia, but they're getting there.
StingingVelvet: Let's also not forget the prequels were horribly written and also upset many fans, but Star Wars went on.
Which makes you wonder just how many times they have to upset fans with horribly written films until they start staying away in droves. They're not saving the brand by creating quality products, they're harming the brand by adding to the garbage pile.