Posted August 30, 2017
Lifthrasil
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drealmer7
finding balance
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Posted August 30, 2017
Ancient-Red-Dragon: For TNG, the order in which you watch anything makes no difference whatsoever. When it comes to TNG, none of the films or episodes have any continuing stories (aside from a few two-part episodes, which still are not connected to any episodes that come either before or after them). Most of them don't even have any stories at all.
Anyway, why watch TNG when it's one of the worst Trek shows? The original Star Trek series and the Deep Space Nine series are both way better than TNG.
^ mostly true Anyway, why watch TNG when it's one of the worst Trek shows? The original Star Trek series and the Deep Space Nine series are both way better than TNG.
there are some minor things, like Data and Yar having banged and the relationship between Riker and Troi, that have tiny moments within 7 years that come back to relate to previous moments, but it's severely lacking and superficial
Pherim
Real Virtuality
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Posted August 30, 2017
Breja: I liked Chakotay, but I disliked how well he got along with Janeway. There should have been way more conflict between the two. I loved The Doctor. Picardo's performance was great, sometimes touching, sometimes hilarious. He and Seven had all the best episodes. Tuvok and B'Elanna were ok. Had some good episodes. I actually liked Neelix, most the time. I liked the idea of a character who sort of doesn't belong trying his damndest to make himself useful. Harry, Tom and Kes were the irredeemably boring ones. Not hateful or anything, just boring and kinda pointless.
drealmer7: Huh, I found Chakotay to be one of the most boring characters! I was sooo excited for him when I started the series, thinking we were going to get some native american-esque type lore and ideologies from him, and he's just utterly empty. I found Tuvok and B'Elanna boring too. I had to look her up because I couldn't even remember that character!!! I found the doctor and Kes and Neelix extremely annoying I just wanted them off the screen every single time. I loved the idea of the doctor, but not the execution and acting.
7 of 9 the hottest woman on the screen? interesting!
The doctor is my favorite character from Voyager, though. Seven of Nine was good as well. All the others... meh.
Ancient-Red-Dragon: For TNG, the order in which you watch anything makes no difference whatsoever. When it comes to TNG, none of the films or episodes have any continuing stories (aside from a few two-part episodes, which still are not connected to any episodes that come either before or after them). Most of them don't even have any stories at all.
Anyway, why watch TNG when it's one of the worst Trek shows? The original Star Trek series and the Deep Space Nine series are both way better than TNG.
Not entirely true... there had already been some character arcs and continuing stories, although they only started to do that around the third season (when it started to become good), with the Worf/Klingon arc, which was developed over several seasons, albeit only in single episodes at a time. There have been other things like this as well, but yes, you could still watch pretty much all the episodes on their own and compared to DS9 it's really not much. But it's there. Sometimes even more so than on Voyager, which was really awful with the reset button at the end of almost every episode, putting the ship back into shape and apparently reviving lost Crewmembers as well as magically replacing destroyed shuttles. It could have been so much better if they'd really showed the struggle of a single federation ship all alone in a distant part of the galaxy. In the end, most of the good Voyager episodes (and there are quite a few) would have worked just as well on TNG. The original premise was not nearly explored enough over the course of the show. There have been glimpses of what could have been, but mostly in parallel timeline episodes or things like that. Anyway, why watch TNG when it's one of the worst Trek shows? The original Star Trek series and the Deep Space Nine series are both way better than TNG.
I also don't agree that TNG is "one of the worst" Trek shows. The Original Series was groundbreaking, but it is hard to get through many of the episodes today. Except maybe the first two seasons, TNG still holds up very well in my opinion.
Post edited August 30, 2017 by Pherim
ConsulCaesar
Crossing the Rubicon
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Posted August 30, 2017
I absolutely love Farscape. It's one of the few shows I have watched entirely more than once. One of the best parts is how the relationships between the characters evolve over time (and for that season one plays a crucial role, establishing the starting point). Unfortunately, the storylines and pacing of season one are not everyone's cup of tea. The awesomeness starts during the late part of the season (when Chiana and Scorpius join the series).
Seven of Nine saved Voyager for me. Of course, Seven of Nine was introduced as Miss Fanservice, but luckily Jeri Ryan turned to be a terrific actress who did an incredible job with her character. I can't blame the writers for forgetting about the other characters and having the show become the Seven of Nine show, since the rest of the crew were not interesting at all (except the Doctor and sometimes Janeway).
Seven of Nine saved Voyager for me. Of course, Seven of Nine was introduced as Miss Fanservice, but luckily Jeri Ryan turned to be a terrific actress who did an incredible job with her character. I can't blame the writers for forgetting about the other characters and having the show become the Seven of Nine show, since the rest of the crew were not interesting at all (except the Doctor and sometimes Janeway).
Post edited August 30, 2017 by Caesar.
Breja
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Posted August 30, 2017
Humbug. I just recently rewatched it, and it holds up perfectly. The first two season especially are chock-full of great episodes that are still some of the very best sf you can find. In fact, it's downright silly to me to speak of TOS not holding up when I can't think of a single show made now that would be anywhere near as good.
Stevedog13
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I loved TOS and really enjoyed most of TNG, (I could have done without an entire season focused Klingon politics) but those are the only two that I was able to watch all the was through.
I never really got into DS9. I watched all of season 1 and never bothered with any more. Having a stationary station made it boring to me. I really missed having the exploration aspect. Voyager had an interesting premise but the stories were mind numbingly contrived. I actually liked Enterprise in the beginning, but it felt like the writers were trying too hard to be socially relevant. It started to feel like every other episode was written to showcase whatever cause de'jour the writers saw in the news that day. Suddenly Vulcans were vegetarians, they dealt with cloning, transgenderism and even managed to work global warming into one episode. Then 9/11happened and the entire series became an allegory focused on the Zendi. I know that TOS did this with issues like racism and the Red Scare, but outside of The Omega Glory I don't remember it being so ham fisted.
I never really got into DS9. I watched all of season 1 and never bothered with any more. Having a stationary station made it boring to me. I really missed having the exploration aspect. Voyager had an interesting premise but the stories were mind numbingly contrived. I actually liked Enterprise in the beginning, but it felt like the writers were trying too hard to be socially relevant. It started to feel like every other episode was written to showcase whatever cause de'jour the writers saw in the news that day. Suddenly Vulcans were vegetarians, they dealt with cloning, transgenderism and even managed to work global warming into one episode. Then 9/11happened and the entire series became an allegory focused on the Zendi. I know that TOS did this with issues like racism and the Red Scare, but outside of The Omega Glory I don't remember it being so ham fisted.
drealmer7
finding balance
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Stevedog13: I loved TOS and really enjoyed most of TNG, (I could have done without an entire season focused Klingon politics) but those are the only two that I was able to watch all the was through.
I never really got into DS9.
ohman, do yourself a favor and go back and rewatch season 1 of DS9 and then continue on with it! Season 1 is DENSE and feels really long because there's so much to it it's hard to digest. You've got about 10 main characters all vying for screentime to establish themselves and where they fit into the dynamics of it all combined with telling stories and setting up the entire rest of the series (and they know where they're going with it from episode 1.) Season 1 is just the seed, and understandably a little offputting at first because there's just so much to setup. The STATIONary aspect of the station really serves the series rather than detracts from it once you get used to it, and there is no real shortage of exploration or alien phenomena to interact with either, but they have to spend time character building before they can start to tackle the REALLY good stuff. I never really got into DS9.
Lifthrasil: Meh. I watched Farscape and it was OK-ish. But it can't hold a candle to Babylon 5 or Star Trek. Or Stargate. Or even Andromeda.
I tried watching Stargate ages ago and gave up partway through season 1. I keep hoping they put it back on netflix because I understand it gets better later in the series and with the offshoot(s). Plus they've got Ben Browder AND Claudia Black in the offshoots. I've seen Babylon 5 twice and just don't get what the fuss is about. I also get lots of christian undertones that put me off on top of it just being mediocre.
Maybe I'll check out Andromeda
to me Farscape is hands-down the best sci-fi show ever, and I've loved Star Trek since I was 5.
not sure what was boring for you, but, the 1st season is hard to palette because it's sooo unusual, the production values are weird, and it kind of throws a lot of sci-fi tropes on their head (and plays into them wonderfully at times!!!)
I highly recommend sticking it out and if you get 5 episodes into season 2 and are still not liking it, then give up (:
Post edited August 30, 2017 by drealmer7
Breja
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Posted August 30, 2017
drealmer7: not sure what was boring for you, but, the 1st season is hard to palette because it's sooo unusual, the production values are weird, and it kind of throws a lot of sci-fi tropes on their head (and plays into them wonderfully at times!!!)
I highly recommend sticking it out and if you get 5 episodes into season 2 and are still not liking it, then give up (:
What was boring to me was the complete and utter lack of anything interesting :D I highly recommend sticking it out and if you get 5 episodes into season 2 and are still not liking it, then give up (:
Seriously, I don't know where you're getting all this "it's so unusual and strange" from For me it was about as bland and by the numbers as possible, I don't think there was a single episode with a strong story and the characters where uninteresting and unlikeable. Maybe it's because I've seen too many "a rag-tag crew of outsiders" sci-fi shows before.
gogtrial34987
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Posted August 31, 2017
Ancient-Red-Dragon: Anyway, why watch TNG when it's one of the worst Trek shows? The original Star Trek series and the Deep Space Nine series are both way better than TNG.
Because it has The Inner Light. And Frame of Mind. And of course because There! Are! Four! Lights!Breja
You're in my spot
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Posted August 31, 2017
Ancient-Red-Dragon: Anyway, why watch TNG when it's one of the worst Trek shows? The original Star Trek series and the Deep Space Nine series are both way better than TNG.
gogtrial34987: Because it has The Inner Light. And Frame of Mind. And of course because There! Are! Four! Lights! My personal favourite episode of all Trek.
Post edited August 31, 2017 by Breja
macuahuitlgog
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Stevedog13
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Posted August 31, 2017
gogtrial34987: Because it has The Inner Light. And Frame of Mind. And of course because There! Are! Four! Lights!
Breja: Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra My personal favourite episode of all Trek.
Great, now I'm going to have to watch that episode again and then be up all night debating with my self whether the phrase "Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel" will need to be brought back and explained to their whole planet or if it becomes sort of a regional dialect for the crew of that particular ship.
Pherim
Real Virtuality
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Breja
You're in my spot
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Posted August 31, 2017
Stevedog13: That episode was an instant classic. However I keep wondering how a race who only speaks in metaphor is able to develop interstellar travel, or even function. I wonder what the technical manuals for their ship looks like, and how things like warp drive are taught in schools. I'd imagine that their written language, if even they have one, would be more like pictographs than letters and words.
Great, now I'm going to have to watch that episode again and then be up all night debating with my self whether the phrase "Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel" will need to be brought back and explained to their whole planet or if it becomes sort of a regional dialect for the crew of that particular ship.
Yeah, while I love this episode to death and must have seen it more times than any other (and I've seen all the Treks in their entirety multiple times) I'll admit that the concept of the Children of Tama's language has some problems if you delve to deep into it. You start thinking about "how do they order breakfest? Is there some epic legend about a guy ordering a croissant to quote?" and so on. But then again I guess the concept would not be quite so fascinating if we could wrap opur heads around it too easily in it's entirety. It's so great because it's relateable and alien both at the same time. And anyway, the episode itself is such a metaphore, not supposed to be thought about too literally. Great, now I'm going to have to watch that episode again and then be up all night debating with my self whether the phrase "Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel" will need to be brought back and explained to their whole planet or if it becomes sort of a regional dialect for the crew of that particular ship.
Oh, and we actually do see their written language.
I always regretted that we've never seen that race again. Just imagine how great would it be if they joined the Federation in some battle scene against the Dominion in DS9, when the Defiant is in trouble, their ship would show up to help, hailed the Defiant and the captain would say "Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel!" to Sisko.
Pherim: Atlantis, on the other hand, started really strong in my opinion, but by season 3 I was so unhappy with some things that had happened that I didn't watch the final two seasons until last year
I was never a big Stargate fan, although I actually liked the movie. The show I only watched on occasion. Then I decided to give Atlantis a shot an watched the first two seasons... it wasn't terrible, but not very good either. Felt like knock-off Voyager. Eventually I just got bored with it and quit. Oh, and speaking of Trek knock-offs, does anyone here remember SeaQuest?
Post edited August 31, 2017 by Breja
drealmer7
finding balance
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Posted August 31, 2017
Aye, I watched SeaQuest when it was on the air back in the day and had been rewatching it relatively recently until they pulled it off of netflix. It's pretty good. Weak episodes, strong episodes, perhaps more weak than strong but it has heart and ethics so it's good in my book.
(btw same creator as Farscape)
(btw same creator as Farscape)
Post edited August 31, 2017 by drealmer7