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Posted October 08, 2021
The infinity starts with history, and the history of games is painted in the colors of our childhood memories. Today we celebrate the 20th Anniversary of ScummVM and pay tribute to a group of people behind the scenes who make sure some of GOG's timeless classics work smoothly on modern computers!

About ScummVM

ScummVM is a program that allows you to run many classic point-and-click adventure games and RPGs on modern computers. The program replaces executables shipped with games and makes them playable on systems for which they were never designed! ScummVM rewrites executables but does not require emulators and complex setups. For many years, thanks to ScummVM, you can enjoy many timeless classics on GOG!

Check the collection of GOG games supported by ScummVM and launch your time machine this weekend with our special deals up to 85% off. The promo ends on 11th October 2021, 1 PM UTC.
Posted October 11, 2021
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toma85: I have a question. What is the current status of Escape from Monkey Island in comparison to the last ResidualVM release? I was wondering whether I should keep ResidualVM installed or can move to the new ScummVM version.
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PraetorianWolfie: I am not really sure. It is still labelled as unstable on ScummVM and we have a number of bug reports for it, a few of which came from the merge with ResidualVM. If I had to guess I'd say that on ScummVM a few more issues may have been resolved wrt to the ResidualVM release -- but the game had still issues pending to be resolved.
Thanks for the information. I think I'll use ScummVM for this game now.
Posted October 11, 2021
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vv221: If all of the games in the linked collection are using ScummVM, why is Linux support missing for most of them?
Because being able to run a game on a certain OS is just one of the necessary requirements to offer it for that OS.
I know you already know this, but the first part of the sentence can be misleading in suggesting that technical issues are the big deal on not having more Linux games. Most of the games of the catalog can run on Linux, but they're not offered for Linux.
Posted October 11, 2021
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igrok: I also prefer dosbox releases for DOS games over scummvm.
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paladin181: The beautiful thing about a DOSBox release is you can take the files and make a SCUMMVM version yourself if you like. SCUMMVM versions don't always have the right files to use DOSBox though.
Maybe you can give me some examples of such games because I'm sure there are but I can't remember any right now.
Posted October 11, 2021
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paladin181: The beautiful thing about a DOSBox release is you can take the files and make a SCUMMVM version yourself if you like. SCUMMVM versions don't always have the right files to use DOSBox though.
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NewPyk: Maybe you can give me some examples of such games because I'm sure there are but I can't remember any right now.
Some Examples:

Elvira Series
Waxworks
Personal Nghtmare
Eye of the Beholder I-II
Lands of Lore
Police Quest Series
Freddy Pharkas
Amazon
Might and Magic IV
Might and Magic V
Might and Magic: Swords of Xeen
Might and Magic: World of Xeen
Little Big Adventure
Zork Series
Quest For Glory Series
Rex Nebular
Teen Agent
Posted October 11, 2021
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park_84: Because being able to run a game on a certain OS is just one of the necessary requirements to offer it for that OS.
Well, since the ScummVM team already did all the technical work, the legal part should be easy pickings for GOG. It’s what they have been doing for years.

They have been piggybacking off the open source community, especially ScummVM and DOSBox, to exist in the first place. So it would not have been out of place to respond with premium support for open source systems.

But my message was of course ironic: I know how much GOG cares about Linux, a.k.a. not at all. The absence of Linux versions for all of these games is only one extra manifestation of this total lack of care.
Posted October 11, 2021
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park_84: Because being able to run a game on a certain OS is just one of the necessary requirements to offer it for that OS.
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vv221: Well, since the ScummVM team already did all the technical work, the legal part should be easy pickings for GOG. It’s what they have been doing for years.

They have been piggybacking off the open source community, especially ScummVM and DOSBox, to exist in the first place. So it would not have been out of place to respond with premium support for open source systems.

But my message was of course ironic: I know how much GOG cares about Linux, a.k.a. not at all. The absence of Linux versions for all of these games is only one extra manifestation of this total lack of care.
It is really not up to GOG.com to decide which platforms a game is going to be released for. Generally, the bigger the publisher, the more unlikely a release for Linux will ever be granted, no matter who asks.
Posted October 11, 2021
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vv221: Well, since the ScummVM team already did all the technical work, the legal part should be easy pickings for GOG. It’s what they have been doing for years.

They have been piggybacking off the open source community, especially ScummVM and DOSBox, to exist in the first place. So it would not have been out of place to respond with premium support for open source systems.

But my message was of course ironic: I know how much GOG cares about Linux, a.k.a. not at all. The absence of Linux versions for all of these games is only one extra manifestation of this total lack of care.
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Lightkey: It is really not up to GOG.com to decide which platforms a game is going to be released for. Generally, the bigger the publisher, the more unlikely a release for Linux will ever be granted, no matter who asks.
Maybe. But if that is true, the publisher criteria is different depending where the game is sold

An example could be The Dig and Indiana Jones Fate of Atlantis. The GOG versions are the DOS versions bundled with ScummVM. Making them compatible with Linux out of the box, if I am not wrong.

But the Steam versions are the official Windows ports. Making them not Linux compatible from scratch.
Posted October 11, 2021
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Gudadantza: Teen Agent and Freddy Pharkas run under Dosbox in GOG
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PixelBoy: But is that relevant?
The first post in this thread says about the link "check the collection of GOG games supported by ScummVM", but the actual page says "collection of GOG games using ScummVM".

So which information is correct?

Is the list supposed to be about games that come bundled with ScummVM on GOG, or is it supposed to be a list of games on GOG that are also supported by ScummVM?
Asking the real question here. How is it better to remove the games supported by ScummVM just because they don't come bundled with it, which GOG.com is not the one to decide? That's up to the publisher.
Some releases are even worse off being bundled with ScummVM if they do not come with the original engine and at the same time are stripped of the launcher GUI, so you don't have access to all of its options.
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Lightkey: It is really not up to GOG.com to decide which platforms a game is going to be released for. Generally, the bigger the publisher, the more unlikely a release for Linux will ever be granted, no matter who asks.
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Gudadantza: Maybe. But if that is true, the publisher criteria is different depending where the game is sold

An example could be The Dig and Indiana Jones Fate of Atlantis. The GOG versions are the DOS versions bundled with ScummVM. Making them compatible with Linux out of the box, if I am not wrong.

But the Steam versions are the official Windows ports. Making them not Linux compatible from scratch.
Yes, that was curious and not just "an example" but the only one. Also, as a humorous side note, the ScummVM developers found out that the Steam version actually uses the GOG.com data, with unnecessary files for GOG.com left in.
So GOG.com probably got contracted to do the packaging for the release here, allowing them to choose the platforms (maybe in exchange for requiring them to take over support as well) but Disney only uploaded the Windows version to Steam because that's all they care about.
Post edited October 11, 2021 by Lightkey
Posted October 11, 2021
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NewPyk: Maybe you can give me some examples of such games because I'm sure there are but I can't remember any right now.
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Gudadantza: Some Examples:

Elvira Series
Waxworks
Personal Nghtmare
Eye of the Beholder I-II
Lands of Lore
Police Quest Series
Freddy Pharkas
Amazon
Might and Magic IV
Might and Magic V
Might and Magic: Swords of Xeen
Might and Magic: World of Xeen
Little Big Adventure
Zork Series
Quest For Glory Series
Rex Nebular
Teen Agent
I think there may be some misunderstending. I was curious about games that are bundeled with ScummVM but don't have all the files needed to run on DOSBox. Sorry if I didn't stated it correctly.
From your list I checked Lands of Lore and Might and Magic and they come with DOSBOX. I think all Sierra adventure games usues ScummVM but have all the files.
Posted October 11, 2021
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Gudadantza: Some Examples:

Elvira Series
Waxworks
Personal Nghtmare
Eye of the Beholder I-II
Lands of Lore
Police Quest Series
Freddy Pharkas
Amazon
Might and Magic IV
Might and Magic V
Might and Magic: Swords of Xeen
Might and Magic: World of Xeen
Little Big Adventure
Zork Series
Quest For Glory Series
Rex Nebular
Teen Agent
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NewPyk: I think there may be some misunderstending. I was curious about games that are bundeled with ScummVM but don't have all the files needed to run on DOSBox. Sorry if I didn't stated it correctly.
From your list I checked Lands of Lore and Might and Magic and they come with DOSBOX. I think all Sierra adventure games usues ScummVM but have all the files.
Well, To be more exact, the list contains games that indeed are DOSBOX bundled titles but compatible with ScummVM externally if needed.

Greetings
Posted October 11, 2021
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NewPyk: I was curious about games that are bundeled with ScummVM but don't have all the files needed to run on DOSBox. Sorry if I didn't stated it correctly.
At least Simon the Sorcerer games as they were originally released on GOG. I assume the new anniversary bonus releases don't have original executables either.

I don't remember if other Adventuresoft games were like that, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were.

The original Broken Sword that comes as a bonus for Director's Cut is another case that I can personally confirm.

I have also heard about other games missing some of their original files, but I don't remember the details.
Posted October 11, 2021
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vv221: But my message was of course ironic: I know how much GOG cares about Linux, a.k.a. not at all. The absence of Linux versions for all of these games is only one extra manifestation of this total lack of care.
Even though the level of linux support could be better, it is not fair to say that GOG doesn't care about linux at all. Elvira games for example that were released very recently have linux and macos installers.
Posted October 11, 2021
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NewPyk: I was curious about games that are bundeled with ScummVM but don't have all the files needed to run on DOSBox. Sorry if I didn't stated it correctly.
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PixelBoy: At least Simon the Sorcerer games as they were originally released on GOG. I assume the new anniversary bonus releases don't have original executables either.

I don't remember if other Adventuresoft games were like that, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were.

The original Broken Sword that comes as a bonus for Director's Cut is another case that I can personally confirm.

I have also heard about other games missing some of their original files, but I don't remember the details.
The Pajama Sam games are also lacking in executables.
Posted October 11, 2021
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NewPyk: I think there may be some misunderstending. I was curious about games that are bundeled with ScummVM but don't have all the files needed to run on DOSBox. Sorry if I didn't stated it correctly.
Beneath A Steel Sky is one that's missing its .exe.
Posted October 11, 2021
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Lightkey: It is really not up to GOG.com to decide which platforms a game is going to be released for. Generally, the bigger the publisher, the more unlikely a release for Linux will ever be granted, no matter who asks.
It’s their job to convince the publishers on this. This is the reason they get our money.
Well, due to the way they have been doing their job in the last years, this is mostly the reason they don’t get our money…
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