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Posted April 25, 2014
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letsmaybeLP92: Is it wrong that I thought this thread was going to be about Twitch Plays Pokemon? :P
Yes, very incorrect x)
Posted April 25, 2014
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sharp299: politicians, you do not get tired of wanting to make our life miserable ...
They don't tire of trying to take advantage. The haves can and do take advantage of the have nots, and all they have to do is try not to get noticed. Failing doesn't even matter. Doesn't matter how many times someone gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar when there is no penalty, and all you got to do sneak in one time to make off with someone else's cookies. I don't know how you defend yourself against rule makers that have an extremely narrow, personalized, purchased view of morality and get unlimited do overs.
Post edited April 25, 2014 by gooberking
Posted May 16, 2015
Thought I should bump this before it archives to remind everyone that this not only still exists, but is very close to becoming law.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/senate-reverses-course-and-advances-tpp-fast-track-bill


There is also this:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/sopa-anyone-entertainment-lobby-uses-hearing-domain-names-revive-awful-censorship
Post edited May 16, 2015 by jcoa
Posted May 16, 2015
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jcoa: Thought I should bump this before it archives to remind everyone that this not only still exists, but is very close to becoming law.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/senate-reverses-course-and-advances-tpp-fast-track-bill

There is also this:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/sopa-anyone-entertainment-lobby-uses-hearing-domain-names-revive-awful-censorship
Thanks for the updates. I think it's safe to say they will never stop trying until they get what they want. If there's enough money behind it, then it doesn't matter how many times you fail, you can just keep trying different methods until you succeed.
Posted May 16, 2015
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Protoss: Right now, President Obama is meeting with key leaders in Asia to finalize a new SOPA-like
Internet Censorship scheme through a secretive international agreement called the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP).
The entire legal system in America is broken and stacked against the people. America's become just as corrupt and crooked as any third-world nation, it's just better at hiding it so it never gets called out for being corrupt.
Everything evil is rushed through in secret. There's been a news story recently that supposedly none of the public are allowed to view the treaty. It's clearly a scam and a sellout against the American people. There is no legitimate reason to ever hide details of an economic/trade treaty from the public.
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Protoss: this secretive plan will censor the Internet and strip away users’ rights.[1] If finalized, it would force ISPs to act as “Internet Police” that will monitor our Internet use, censor content, and even remove entire websites.[2 ]
Elections have consequences. So much for the Constitution. Also, regarding the removal of websites, a lot of the newer SOPA clones are "guilty until proven innocent" where the burden of proof is on the accused. It also means that the big media companies can arbitrarily shut down and use the legal system to harass web site owners with a mere accusation, and then the web site owner has to prove innocence. That isn't "protecting intellectual property" - that's tyranny.
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Protoss: To fight back, Fight for the Future, OpenMedia, reddit, imgur, and dozens of other groups have united to launch a historic international action opposing TPP Internet Censorship. We’re using a high-powered spotlight to project a Stop The Secrecy message on key buildings in Washington D.C. from now until when Obama returns on April 30th.
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Unfortunately, we thought this type of wholesale Internet censorship died after our historic victory against SOPA. But it looks like some of the worst parts of SOPA have found their way into the TPP.
This keeps happening because of groups like the MPAA and RIAA. Every time this happens, the "free internet" groups always go on the defensive. The new proposed law gets voted down, and everything's quiet for a few years, and then the music/movie industry goes about their censorship push again in some other insidious way.

It should be clear and obvious that the music/movie industry in America is never going to stop until they go bankrupt or the Internet is finally censored. The truth: A free Internet and the existence of the music/movie industry (in America) are mutually exclusive. The only (legal) solution to stop the censorship bills and treaties is to boycott the entire music/movie industry until it ceases to exist. Make no mistake, the music/movie industry are run by control freaks and elitists who believe they have the right to rule/dictate to the "little people" and they are at WAR with your freedom.

There might be some of you who think that comparing it to a war is too extreme. Let's go over a bit of history regarding the movie/music industry's war against your freedom so they can profit:
-Numerous bogus "copyright extension" acts, with the result being that copyrights last at least 75 years. If any piece of media or art needs 75 years to turn a profit, there's obviously something wrong with it. The original purpose of copyright was to foster creativity, but instead the music/movie industry have twisted it into an abomination that lets them sit on their intellectual property almost forever. That isn't fostering creativity, it's perpetual unchecked corporate greed.
-Digital Millennium Copyright Act which only protects the big media corporations in practice because for the most part, independent artists lack the resources to protect their products. The DMCA also enforces DRM that (sarcastic) everyone here loves so much. (/sarcastic)
-"Lawfare" (warfare through the legal system), including raids against various people and websites, even outside the United States.
-SOPA/PIPA.
-And now the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

No one ever won a war (or even a football game) through defense only. Likewise, "Internet freedom" advocates aren't going to win through being defensive. Simply playing whack-a-mole with bills and treaties/blocking them as they pop up doesn't cut it, and it never will. Groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation need to go a step further and inform people that they have to choose between a free Internet or music/movies. It's clear that it isn't going to end any other way.

People need to start promoting alternatives to the lamestream music/movie industry. Support video games instead of movies. Promote independent musicians and video game music as an alternative to the recording industry. While movie fans might find it difficult to give up movies, it's definitely worth it in the interests of a free Internet, free speech, and Constitutional rights.

Defeat tyranny - boycott the movie/music industry to extinction.
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Protoss: And the agreement is huge: covering 40% of the global economy, and once key leaders finalize TPP Internet censorship plans in coming days it will be used to globalize censorship across the world.

Internet users everywhere will be affected and this may be our only chance to stop it.
Big government around the world just keeps getting more and more insidious and oppressive. At this rate, there's going to be no uncorrupted nation left in the world.
Posted May 17, 2015
@DivisionByZero....

The only way for a boycott against the music/movie industry to work is if every human being in the world stops listening to new music and watch new movies. And I don't know where listening and watching old stuff factor in.

But even so you are overreaching a bit here. You are essentially demanding the utter destruction of 2 whole economies for the preservation of 1.
Post edited May 17, 2015 by Elmofongo
Posted May 17, 2015
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blotunga: Luckily Russia and US aren't best friends anymore, so our russian friends might host the stuff that the Brave New World's government will censor.
They were best friends? In what century? :D
Posted May 18, 2015
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Elmofongo: @DivisionByZero....
The only way for a boycott against the music/movie industry to work is if every human being in the world stops listening to new music and watch new movies. And I don't know where listening and watching old stuff factor in.
Not true. Not all music and movies has to come from the lamestream music/movie industry.

-There's plenty of good music in video games (IMO the vast majority of video game music is far better than any of the Flop 40's/S*** music, oops, Top 40's/Hit Music). A lot of video games these days include their soundtrack as bonus content bundled with a digital purchase.
-There are plenty of independent "indie" musicians unaffiliated with the big recording industry.
-Who needs movies when video games are so much better? The visual quality of video games these days is definitely good enough that it's hard to tell the difference between a premium game cinematic and a movie.
-I predict that the movie industry in its current form is on its way out, because computer technology will get good enough that people could make movies using video game engines.

tl;dr; The lamestream music and movie industries are dinosaurs looking to eat up the Internet as one last futile push to remain relevant.

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Elmofongo: But even so you are overreaching a bit here.
I would like to respectfully disagree. The lamestream music/movie industry has a record spanning decades of persecuting and hunting down the free Internet almost unprovoked. Each time there's a showdown regarding the already dysfunctional copyright law in the U.S., the Internet freedom advocates only go on the defensive. If the Internet freedom advocates win, nothing happens. If the lamestream music/movie megacorps win, we all lose some freedom. Over time, if both sides win some and lose some, China will have more Internet freedom than the U.S.

Think of it this way: Suppose you lived in a peaceful, neutral, and prosperous country that never provoked a war with anyone. One day, another nation hell-bent on conquest invades your country with the intention of taking its entire population away in shackles, repurposing them, and finally harvesting them.
Of course your country isn't just going to take this without a fight. Every invasion is met with a defensive war that costs both sides many resources. But here's the problem: Your country's peace culture forbids them from waging any form of offensive war. Every fight leaves your country progressively more damaged. Every battle makes some of the habitable land uninhabitable. And if it continues, there's going to be nothing left.

Then one day you stumble across the means to teleport the invading nation's land into deep space, putting an end to their conquest and oppression. Are you saying that even given that option, you would prefer instead to be taken away, repurposed, and harvested?

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Elmofongo: You are essentially demanding the utter destruction of 2 whole economies for the preservation of 1.
"Preservation of 1"? I beg to differ.

-The amount of economic activity the free Internet generates is vastly greater than whatever the lamestream movie/music industry ever will.
-The free Internet greatly contributes to research, transfer of information/knowledge, education, and civilization's advancement. The movie/music industries contribute almost nothing to those purposes
-There's more than 1 Internet industry. Just to name a few, you have: Online video games/digital distribution (GOG included!), database, Internet hardware (routers/switches/Ethernet cables/Wi-Fi adapters/cellular data networks), Internet service providers, databases, cloud apps, online shopping (Amazon, Newegg, etc), "Internet Of Things" (Internet-enabled household appliances), social networks, digital communications. (and this is by no means a comprehensive or complete list).

"Utter destruction of 2 whole economies"? Again, I beg to differ. You would still have independent artists and video game artists.
Posted May 18, 2015
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Elmofongo: @DivisionByZero....
The only way for a boycott against the music/movie industry to work is if every human being in the world stops listening to new music and watch new movies. And I don't know where listening and watching old stuff factor in.
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DivisionByZero.620: Not true. Not all music and movies has to come from the lamestream music/movie industry.

-There's plenty of good music in video games (IMO the vast majority of video game music is far better than any of the Flop 40's/S*** music, oops, Top 40's/Hit Music). A lot of video games these days include their soundtrack as bonus content bundled with a digital purchase.
-There are plenty of independent "indie" musicians unaffiliated with the big recording industry.
-Who needs movies when video games are so much better? The visual quality of video games these days is definitely good enough that it's hard to tell the difference between a premium game cinematic and a movie.
-I predict that the movie industry in its current form is on its way out, because computer technology will get good enough that people could make movies using video game engines.

tl;dr; The lamestream music and movie industries are dinosaurs looking to eat up the Internet as one last futile push to remain relevant.

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Elmofongo: But even so you are overreaching a bit here.
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DivisionByZero.620: I would like to respectfully disagree. The lamestream music/movie industry has a record spanning decades of persecuting and hunting down the free Internet almost unprovoked. Each time there's a showdown regarding the already dysfunctional copyright law in the U.S., the Internet freedom advocates only go on the defensive. If the Internet freedom advocates win, nothing happens. If the lamestream music/movie megacorps win, we all lose some freedom. Over time, if both sides win some and lose some, China will have more Internet freedom than the U.S.

Think of it this way: Suppose you lived in a peaceful, neutral, and prosperous country that never provoked a war with anyone. One day, another nation hell-bent on conquest invades your country with the intention of taking its entire population away in shackles, repurposing them, and finally harvesting them.
Of course your country isn't just going to take this without a fight. Every invasion is met with a defensive war that costs both sides many resources. But here's the problem: Your country's peace culture forbids them from waging any form of offensive war. Every fight leaves your country progressively more damaged. Every battle makes some of the habitable land uninhabitable. And if it continues, there's going to be nothing left.

Then one day you stumble across the means to teleport the invading nation's land into deep space, putting an end to their conquest and oppression. Are you saying that even given that option, you would prefer instead to be taken away, repurposed, and harvested?

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Elmofongo: You are essentially demanding the utter destruction of 2 whole economies for the preservation of 1.
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DivisionByZero.620: "Preservation of 1"? I beg to differ.

-The amount of economic activity the free Internet generates is vastly greater than whatever the lamestream movie/music industry ever will.
-The free Internet greatly contributes to research, transfer of information/knowledge, education, and civilization's advancement. The movie/music industries contribute almost nothing to those purposes
-There's more than 1 Internet industry. Just to name a few, you have: Online video games/digital distribution (GOG included!), database, Internet hardware (routers/switches/Ethernet cables/Wi-Fi adapters/cellular data networks), Internet service providers, databases, cloud apps, online shopping (Amazon, Newegg, etc), "Internet Of Things" (Internet-enabled household appliances), social networks, digital communications. (and this is by no means a comprehensive or complete list).

"Utter destruction of 2 whole economies"? Again, I beg to differ. You would still have independent artists and video game artists.
(Commenting on Soundtracks in games)

You should listen to Skyward Sword. It's Romantic, Adventurous, and Grandly Epic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23hJeaLotEw&index=3&list=PLC5AE6E1EEA630D30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkfw6oNo9Jg
Posted January 29, 2017
ALL HAIL OUR LORD AND SAVIOR DOLEN TRAP

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/23/politics/trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal-withdrawal-trumps-first-executive-action-monday-sources-say/

lol. At least he did one thing good :P
Posted January 29, 2017
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Epitaph666: ...
I reported on this like 3 days ago...
Posted January 29, 2017
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rtcvb32: I reported on this like 3 days ago...
Good for you!
Posted January 29, 2017
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Epitaph666: ...
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rtcvb32: I reported on this like 3 days ago...
link to thread?
Posted January 29, 2017
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rtcvb32: I reported on this like 3 days ago...
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Epitaph666: link to thread?
No doubt i'll get downvoted for it :P

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/it_is_time_to_pay_attention_infowars/post1944
Posted January 29, 2017
I, uhm, only kinda skimmed this a little I guess, but is that stuff about TPP and Internet censorship true?
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General discussionSOPA's worst is back, now named TPP(87 posts)(87 posts)
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