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Posted March 30, 2018
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DaCostaBR: "a cult in which women were pressured into acting as sex slaves."

That appears to be the end point of every single cult out there.
Well, not Heavens Gate, but they are the exception. Also, they had patches so they were more official. :P
Posted March 30, 2018
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Breja: Neither am I. Overall I like the DC movies way, way more and find most of Marvel's vastly overrated, but they also made stuff I like (like Avengers amd the first and third Thor) and I'm always happy to enjoy their movies. Just as I have no problem pointing out when DC fails (like Superman Returns not to mention turds like Jonah Hex or Catwoman).

Well, obviously out tastes differ greatly. I think Wonder Woman was phenomenal, I love Man of Steel and even BvS I think was really good (especiall the special edition cut). And I think Affleck is a great Batman/Bruce Wayne, probably the best we ever had in live action.
Glad I'm not the only one out there who likes Man of Steel and Batman v Superman Extended quite a lot. I'd put them both above most of the Marvel films, which are a little too snarky and samey for me. I do love the first Iron Man and the Captain America movies though. Also Suicide Squad was a total mess, I can't defend that one.

My favorite "superhero" movies are probably the X-Men series though, if it counts. Other than a couple stinkers that series is really great IMO.
Posted March 30, 2018
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Breja: Neither am I. Overall I like the DC movies way, way more and find most of Marvel's vastly overrated, but they also made stuff I like (like Avengers amd the first and third Thor) and I'm always happy to enjoy their movies. Just as I have no problem pointing out when DC fails (like Superman Returns not to mention turds like Jonah Hex or Catwoman).

Well, obviously out tastes differ greatly. I think Wonder Woman was phenomenal, I love Man of Steel and even BvS I think was really good (especiall the special edition cut). And I think Affleck is a great Batman/Bruce Wayne, probably the best we ever had in live action.
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StingingVelvet: Glad I'm not the only one out there who likes Man of Steel and Batman v Superman Extended quite a lot. I'd put them both above most of the Marvel films, which are a little too snarky and samey for me. I do love the first Iron Man and the Captain America movies though. Also Suicide Squad was a total mess, I can't defend that one.

My favorite "superhero" movies are probably the X-Men series though, if it counts. Other than a couple stinkers that series is really great IMO.
I'm glad this came up. I wanted to like BvS but for two reasons which I couldn't get past:
-The flashbacks (do we really need a reminder of how Bruce Wayne's parents die?)
-The dream sequences

Those two aspects, way overused IMO, made the movie too long, and a little hard to follow, at least for a superhero movie.
Posted March 30, 2018
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StingingVelvet: Glad I'm not the only one out there who likes Man of Steel and Batman v Superman Extended quite a lot. I'd put them both above most of the Marvel films, which are a little too snarky and samey for me. I do love the first Iron Man and the Captain America movies though. Also Suicide Squad was a total mess, I can't defend that one.

My favorite "superhero" movies are probably the X-Men series though, if it counts. Other than a couple stinkers that series is really great IMO.
Suicide Squad is watchable I think, but only just. Mostly I liked Harley, Deadshot and Waller and seeing them done well in live action.

X-Men series is incredibly uneven. The first two and Logan are among my very favourite of the genre, while X-Men 3 and Wolverine Origins are among the very worst. The most remarkable thing about the series though is probably how they managed to recreate the impossible to figure out continuity straight out of the comic books :D

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tinyE: I'm glad this came up. I wanted to like BvS but for two reasons which I couldn't get past:
-The flashbacks (do we really need a reminder of how Bruce Wayne's parents die?)
In this case- yes. It ties to the scene of Batman almost killing Superman. The whole point of that scene is that he has fallen so low he ends up in the place of the guy who killed his parents. It's not just about what happened to his parents but how - the scenes need to mirror each other, you can't just rely of the audience knowing some other version on that event for that effect.
Post edited March 30, 2018 by Breja
Posted March 30, 2018
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tinyE: I'm glad this came up. I wanted to like BvS but for two reasons which I couldn't get past:
-The flashbacks (do we really need a reminder of how Bruce Wayne's parents die?)
-The dream sequences

Those two aspects, way overused IMO, made the movie too long, and a little hard to follow, at least for a superhero movie.
As Breja said those moments are crucial to understanding Bruce's headspace. The movie is about two powerful men, Bruce and Luthor, going kind of crazy in reaction to Superman being revealed. In the end Bruce comes around and realizes what he's doing though. The "Martha" moment most people make fun of is crucial to this, as Bruce realizes he is the killer in the scenario, like the man who killed his parents.

Also I love the opening to that movie, with the imagery and music. It's been seen before sure, but it's very well crafted and only takes a few minutes.
Posted March 30, 2018
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Breja: People responsible for Smallville should have been arrested a long time ago.
Smallville was better than all current DC series and films combined.
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Tallima: He made a whole cult of sex-slavery with Allison Mack.
LIke I would believe anything in modern US media. Probably there were just some women who were into BDSM. But then they became jealous of Mack.
Post edited March 30, 2018 by LootHunter
Posted March 30, 2018
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Enebias: Slavers. The lowest of the low, the absolute worst of humankind.
Not slavers, just people who profiteered off idiots. The worst thing they did, by far, was convincing idiots to starve, but it doesn't even count as faulty medical advice (see: Gwyneth Paltrow) because they were starving for spiritual reasons, like millions of other idiots are doing right now.
Posted March 30, 2018
So, "Hero" in reel life and "Villain" in real life!

Once again they proved just because someone is good actor doesn't mean they're good person.
Posted March 30, 2018
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Enebias: Slavers. The lowest of the low, the absolute worst of humankind.
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Starmaker: Not slavers, just people who profiteered off idiots. The worst thing they did, by far, was convincing idiots to starve, but it doesn't even count as faulty medical advice (see: Gwyneth Paltrow) because they were starving for spiritual reasons, like millions of other idiots are doing right now.
By this reasoning, if they are idiots they deserve to be used as tools just because their weak mind is prone to be manipulated. It sounds a bit predatory doesn't it? Then if I am stronger than you I can capture you and abuse the hell out of you for profit? Sounds fair.
Idiots they might be, but they hurt nobody afaik, so I don't see why we should give a pass to the "profiteers" (which I'll keep calling slavers, frauds, brainwashers and criminals) and somehow implying that the victims asked for it.
It sounds dangerously like the usual "she dressed sexy, she wanted to be raped", but I bet you would have problems with that (and rightfully so). Unless I have direly misinterpreted what you just said, which I hope is the case.
Posted March 30, 2018
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Enebias: Idiots they might be, but they hurt nobody afaik, so I don't see why we should give a pass to the "profiteers" (which I'll keep calling slavers, frauds, brainwashers and criminals) and somehow implying that the victims asked for it.
It sounds dangerously like the usual "she dressed sexy, she wanted to be raped", but I bet you would have problems with that (and rightfully so). Unless I have direly misinterpreted what you just said, which I hope is the case.
They weren't forced, they voluntarily provided dirt on themselves and submitted to branding in exchange for the cult leader telling them they were spiritually superior to us sheeple. They don't have Down's, or autism, or dementia, or lead poisoning (there's an absolutely heartbreaking article out there about victims of lead poisoning being scammed out of their lifetime disability payments and how they despise themselves for being "stupid" after a journalist tells them they've been had), and, unlike some uneducated African women who are forced into slavery under threat of voodoo curses, they are Westerners who've presumably finished high school.

And, generally speaking, the universe doesn't owe rich people the preservation of their wealth and status. Really, I feel the overall conversation (this, and the buttcoin drama) is sliding dangerously close to "no one in their right mind and possessing full information would make a decision that's bad for self, THEREFORE, the law should prevent rich people from making such decisions, assume victimhood and provide restitution". No. Screw this. A la lanterne.
Posted March 31, 2018
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Enebias: Idiots they might be, but they hurt nobody afaik, so I don't see why we should give a pass to the "profiteers" (which I'll keep calling slavers, frauds, brainwashers and criminals) and somehow implying that the victims asked for it.
I think no one claims that such manipulative people should have "free pass". Obviously they should be judged by the law. However, for many people it would seem unfair that individuals who are simplly too carefree to think about possible reprecussions of their carelessness, invoke far more simpathy (and press attention) than individuals who are actually try to be aware of their surroundings, or have legitimate reasons to fall prey.

Compare "let's punish evil cult masters who prey on defencless women" and "don't rush to judge members of gangs who were grooming 13 year old girls because they just failed to properly assimilate in western culture" attitudes.
Post edited March 31, 2018 by LootHunter
Posted March 31, 2018
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I'll be brutally honest: I don't give a damn of what people think is fair or unfair.
We are talking about basic human rights here, and even rich, moronic pricks that I don't like in the slightest have those.
I am not afraid to publicly admit that I'm a Communist (the kind similar to the proud but now defunct Italian Communist party, not the USSR nightmare) and I have never implied that things should be done to maintain their privileged status. On contrary, if I was a politician I would have a lot of fun with taxation, but that is off topic.
Here people's dignity is being shattered. I cannot believe what I read, seriously. Yes, there have been worse abuses. So what? An abuse is still an abuse and a person as such deserve tutelage, no matter how prickish and holier-than-thou they are.
I'm frankly disgusted by some of the replies here.
As a law enforcer, I say everyone must get the same treatment, being it punishment or protection, and whoever implies differently is apalling.
If a government decides to ignore a blatant abuse for years like that case above mentioned in UK, that's a problem of your government and the people YOU voted to represent the collectivity, not of the victims of other executioners.
Such level of cinism and cruelty... some of you make me think that you have never seen a really shitty situation in your life, otherwise you would not be so quick to judge in that embarassing way.
I have seen. I have worked in such horrendous environments you couldn't even believe, I know how harsh reality can be and that there is no black and white. Get in touch with reality yourself, you might become less of an ass and more of a decent person.

Also, you can downrep the living crap out of me, I'm losing it from bots anyway, I'll be glad to lose it for a good reason at least.
Posted March 31, 2018
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Enebias: I'll be brutally honest: I don't give a damn of what people think is fair or unfair.
We are talking about basic human rights here
Exactly. And one of those rights is to be considered innocent, until proven otherwise. If you consider Mack to be guilty as co-conspirator just on the basis that she attended and haven't been branded - it's you who is cinical anc cruel prick.
Posted March 31, 2018
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Enebias: I'll be brutally honest: I don't give a damn of what people think is fair or unfair.
We are talking about basic human rights here
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LootHunter: Exactly. And one of those rights is to be considered innocent, until proven otherwise. If you consider Mack to be guilty as co-conspirator just on the basis that she attended and haven't been branded - it's you who is cinical anc cruel prick.
I never said that. I said that the cult treated in salvery, and that much has been proven, unless I misunderstood. Don't twist my words.

Other people are more concerned of the status quo of rich people. Bah. Arguing in internet is pointless, everyone will just throw their shit and stop there. In my whole life I have never seen a person changing idea or even admitting to be wrong in internet. once again I am wasting my time with people who do not want to listen and never had the intention to.
Post edited March 31, 2018 by Enebias
Posted March 31, 2018
I'm with you enebias, except the communist part. I was shocked to see people think it's fine to blackmail people into slavery. There is certainly stupidity involved with the victims, but the truth is that we Lal share that stupidity. We believe the first thing that someone we trust tells us. And if someone fosters trust with the purpose of selling you as a slave, that's very illegal in this country.

Allison Mack will probably have a trial if the evidence shows. As of yet, I don't think that she's been arrested. They only arrested the head honcho.

However, Allison Mack markets the secret organization right on her website (her Passions section - jness is the recruitment arm of the cult).
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