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hedwards: The correct solution here is for people to stop caring about which restroom people use. But unless you've got a penis and want to make use of a urinal, there's not really any particular reason why you need to be using the men's room.
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There's an even simpler solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdUMy9HzdWo
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hedwards: The correct solution here is for people to stop caring about which restroom people use. But unless you've got a penis and want to make use of a urinal, there's not really any particular reason why you need to be using the men's room.
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Matewis: There's an even simpler solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdUMy9HzdWo
Wow, the reaction shots are priceless.
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And the list just keeps on growing, if this is accurate.
Post edited March 28, 2016 by Jonesy89
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Matewis: There's an even simpler solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdUMy9HzdWo
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hedwards: Wow, the reaction shots are priceless.
My goodness, what industrious people.

That aside. What happens now in a legal sense to get this malarkey reversed?
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hedwards: Wow, the reaction shots are priceless.
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ScotchMonkey: My goodness, what industrious people.

That aside. What happens now in a legal sense to get this malarkey reversed?
Once past into law there's the judicial route of getting it declared unconstitutional as there is no constitutional right to discriminate against people outside of a few special areas. For example, Churches can't be forced to hire Jews as priests. And synagogues can't be forced to hire Muslims as rabbis.

The other is to damage their economy through boycotts to the point where they give up on the whole idea.

But, even without it being set aside, those kinds of discriminatory behavior will remain illegal under federal law. Unfortunately, there are fewer federal courts and the cost of taking a case there is higher than it would be at the state or county levels.
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A lawsuit has been filed.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/dominicholden/nc-anti-lgbt-law-lawsuit
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dtgreene: Tale a look at the guy in the picture here:
http://www.upworthy.com/heres-what-itll-look-like-if-trans-people-arent-allowed-to-use-the-right-bathroom

Or the guy picktured here:
https://twitter.com/_michaelhughes1/status/713102950877388800

Because of this new law, these two guys, if on state-owned property, are required to use the woman's rooms if they have to go.

(For anyone who can't see either picture, these people are clearly men, complete with obvious facial hair.) I tend not to travel, but if I did, this sort of law is bad enough to make me not want to even travel through North Carolina.
Those are both the same guy, DT.
And I'm sure there will be people policing obviously male and female people. The law is intended (and poorly worded to do so to keep people who appear obviously male from entering the female facilities and vice versa. I don't know where I stand on that either because I know women would feel uncomfortable if someone who wasn't easily identifiable as a woman was in the restroom. In fact, the case that Mr. Hughes is making in his bathroom selfies is exactly what they're trying to avoid.

But that's just me. I think all bathrooms should be co-ed anyhow. Privacy stalls are a great thing. But there are too many people who can't control their urges to overpower another or sexually gratify themselves (whichever is the case in a particular assault) and that would quickly be ruined.
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hedwards: Once past into law there's the judicial route of getting it declared unconstitutional as there is no constitutional right to discriminate against people outside of a few special areas. For example, Churches can't be forced to hire Jews as priests. And synagogues can't be forced to hire Muslims as rabbis.

The other is to damage their economy through boycotts to the point where they give up on the whole idea.

But, even without it being set aside, those kinds of discriminatory behavior will remain illegal under federal law. Unfortunately, there are fewer federal courts and the cost of taking a case there is higher than it would be at the state or county levels.
Also, Hooters can't be forced to hire men as Hooters Girls. When a specific characteristic is required by the job, it ceases to become discrimination and goes into the "Job requirement" category.
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Meanwhile, a number of A-list celebrities performed at a Russian oligarch's son's wedding. Elton John was a paid guest.

Your obligatory reminder that while "progressive" companies are only progressive where it's economically advantageous but that's kind of expected, individual celebrities (who are free to do whatever they want) are by and large terrible people.
The Governor of Georgia has just announced he is going to veto their version.

I still hate Atlanta. :P

Best thing Sherman ever did was burning that fucking place to the ground.
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I support North Carolina's governor's decision to sign it. It will protect against false claims of discrimination. The freedom to be a homosexual or to get your gizmo turned inside out does not mean that you have the ability to use state-run coercion to get others to roll over for you.

Discrimination (by this context) is understandably bad but that does not mean that private businesses should be treated as indentured servants and that does not mean there should be room for false accusations that lead to wrongful lawsuits and punishments. The trouble with this whole "tolerance" movement is that it has less to do with fighting intolerance and more to do with replacing it with another intolerance as well as promoting forced inclusion which will lead to backlash against various groups like homosexuals.

By the way, surgery does not change chromosomes but according to the LGBT zealots, I would be "transphobic" or bigoted since they seem to believe that science is a "social construct" made up by "privileged" white patriarchy.
Oh good, our resident David Duke is back. :P
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hedwards: Once past into law there's the judicial route of getting it declared unconstitutional as there is no constitutional right to discriminate against people outside of a few special areas. For example, Churches can't be forced to hire Jews as priests. And synagogues can't be forced to hire Muslims as rabbis.

The other is to damage their economy through boycotts to the point where they give up on the whole idea.

But, even without it being set aside, those kinds of discriminatory behavior will remain illegal under federal law. Unfortunately, there are fewer federal courts and the cost of taking a case there is higher than it would be at the state or county levels.
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paladin181: Also, Hooters can't be forced to hire men as Hooters Girls. When a specific characteristic is required by the job, it ceases to become discrimination and goes into the "Job requirement" category.
According to the SJWs and LGBT zealots, they would be if that male applicant "identified" as a woman.
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tinyE: Oh good, our resident David Duke is back. :P
Thank you for the compliment. Great to know that you think I am equal to someone with a doctorate.
Post edited March 28, 2016 by infinite9
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infinite9: I support North Carolina's governor's decision to sign it. It will protect against false claims of discrimination. The freedom to be a homosexual or to get your gizmo turned inside out does not mean that you have the ability to use state-run coercion to get others to roll over for you.

Discrimination (by this context) is understandably bad but that does not mean that private businesses should be treated as indentured servants and that does not mean there should be room for false accusations that lead to wrongful lawsuits and punishments. The trouble with this whole "tolerance" movement is that it has less to do with fighting intolerance and more to do with replacing it with another intolerance as well as promoting forced inclusion which will lead to backlash against various groups like homosexuals.

By the way, surgery does not change chromosomes but according to the LGBT zealots, I would be "transphobic" or bigoted since they seem to believe that science is a "social construct" made up by "privileged" white patriarchy.
So many problems with this.

1. It's not about getting others to roll over. It's about being treated as a person, like everybody else.

2. Actually, discrimination does need to be forbidden. Otherwise, you can have people who are unable to access a type of service because everybody who does discriminates against that person.

3. It's also worth noting that the bill mandates discrimination in public buildings, which people are sometimes required by law to be in, sometimes for extended periods of time. Imagine you are a transgender high school student in a public school, and your parents can't afford to send you to a private school. You can't use the boys room because your birth certificate says you're female. You can't use the girls room because you look like a boy and the girls are uncomfortable. As a result, you can't use the bathroom *at all* during the day, and as a result, you have to hold it for 7+ hours, which is just not feasible (and can cause health problems).

4. For the upteenth time, chromosomes *DO NOT MATTER*. In fact, all the science points to transgender and intersex people existing, and, as far as I know, every viable sex chromosome karyotype can yield both binary sex phenotypes, as well as nonbinary ones.
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infinite9: I support North Carolina's governor's decision to sign it. It will protect against false claims of discrimination. The freedom to be a homosexual or to get your gizmo turned inside out does not mean that you have the ability to use state-run coercion to get others to roll over for you.

Discrimination (by this context) is understandably bad but that does not mean that private businesses should be treated as indentured servants and that does not mean there should be room for false accusations that lead to wrongful lawsuits and punishments. The trouble with this whole "tolerance" movement is that it has less to do with fighting intolerance and more to do with replacing it with another intolerance as well as promoting forced inclusion which will lead to backlash against various groups like homosexuals.

By the way, surgery does not change chromosomes but according to the LGBT zealots, I would be "transphobic" or bigoted since they seem to believe that science is a "social construct" made up by "privileged" white patriarchy.
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dtgreene: So many problems with this.

1. It's not about getting others to roll over. It's about being treated as a person, like everybody else.

2. Actually, discrimination does need to be forbidden. Otherwise, you can have people who are unable to access a type of service because everybody who does discriminates against that person.

3. It's also worth noting that the bill mandates discrimination in public buildings, which people are sometimes required by law to be in, sometimes for extended periods of time. Imagine you are a transgender high school student in a public school, and your parents can't afford to send you to a private school. You can't use the boys room because your birth certificate says you're female. You can't use the girls room because you look like a boy and the girls are uncomfortable. As a result, you can't use the bathroom *at all* during the day, and as a result, you have to hold it for 7+ hours, which is just not feasible (and can cause health problems).

4. For the upteenth time, chromosomes *DO NOT MATTER*. In fact, all the science points to transgender and intersex people existing, and, as far as I know, every viable sex chromosome karyotype can yield both binary sex phenotypes, as well as nonbinary ones.
You are arguing with someone who just complimented a former Grand Wizard of the KKK. :P
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infinite9: I support North Carolina's governor's decision to sign it. It will protect against false claims of discrimination. The freedom to be a homosexual or to get your gizmo turned inside out does not mean that you have the ability to use state-run coercion to get others to roll over for you.

Discrimination (by this context) is understandably bad but that does not mean that private businesses should be treated as indentured servants and that does not mean there should be room for false accusations that lead to wrongful lawsuits and punishments. The trouble with this whole "tolerance" movement is that it has less to do with fighting intolerance and more to do with replacing it with another intolerance as well as promoting forced inclusion which will lead to backlash against various groups like homosexuals.

By the way, surgery does not change chromosomes but according to the LGBT zealots, I would be "transphobic" or bigoted since they seem to believe that science is a "social construct" made up by "privileged" white patriarchy.
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dtgreene: So many problems with this.

1. It's not about getting others to roll over. It's about being treated as a person, like everybody else.

2. Actually, discrimination does need to be forbidden. Otherwise, you can have people who are unable to access a type of service because everybody who does discriminates against that person.

3. It's also worth noting that the bill mandates discrimination in public buildings, which people are sometimes required by law to be in, sometimes for extended periods of time. Imagine you are a transgender high school student in a public school, and your parents can't afford to send you to a private school. You can't use the boys room because your birth certificate says you're female. You can't use the girls room because you look like a boy and the girls are uncomfortable. As a result, you can't use the bathroom *at all* during the day, and as a result, you have to hold it for 7+ hours, which is just not feasible (and can cause health problems).

4. For the upteenth time, chromosomes *DO NOT MATTER*. In fact, all the science points to transgender and intersex people existing, and, as far as I know, every viable sex chromosome karyotype can yield both binary sex phenotypes, as well as nonbinary ones.
1. Last time I checked, there are many different types of people. We are not equals for we are not all the same. Under your egalitarian BS, a rapist would be treated equally to a heroic firefighter. You sound like those retards who post images of cartoon skeletons claiming that everyone is the same which not only ignores the fact that there are skeletal differences between men and women as well as facial skeletal differences between racial/ethnic groups but also that it means we are the same as rapists and Islamic terrorists.

2. No it does not. Such ban would lead to false accusations kind of like how the "anti-hate speech" laws in European nations like Germany (especially under that bitch Merkel) led to the undermining of free speech in terms of historical discussions and in terms of national security measures like with the mass immigration crisis.

3. We have rules about bathroom facilities for good reason. I am certain no self-respecting father in his proper mind would want his eight year old daughter using the same bathroom as some guy with an identity crisis. Also, when you say "imagine yourself as a transgender," you might as well have said to me "imagine yourself as some guy who dead bodies but is discriminated against by anti-necrophilia laws." It is a mental disorder.

4. Chromosomes do matter. They help give us our reproductive organs. The reason (if you can call it that) for gender is reproduction. You just went full SJW.
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