True, so you are using gogrepo too, then? :)

My GOG games (installers) are on an external hard drive, and when I get an urge to play some game, I just double-click on its installer there and it installs itself. I don't see how Galaxy would make that easier or faster for me, quite on the contrary. It is much easier this way if I just want to quickly try out some game, rather than waiting even several hours while it first downloads from the GOG servers (be it through Galaxy, or without). And, after all, "DRM-free" really makes sense only if you do keep your games (installers) locally.

Where Galaxy would make sense would be if I was playing some new-ish game which is getting critical updates quite often, then yes I'd usually prefer to play it through a client that auto-updates the game as soon as an update is available. Same goes for multiplayer games where all players have to be using the same version of the game, there auto-update is pretty much a must, at least on public servers.

But I guess my GOG gaming concentrates so much on older games that don't get much of critical updates anymore, so I wouldn't see the benefit. Like, right now I am playing Deus Ex. On Steam, I am playing Age of Empires 3 which doesn't really benefit from Steam client's autoupdate either, it is not like it is getting important updates anymore either.

But as I keep saying, I am not really against Galaxy, and the only reason I don't have it installed at the moment is because to my knowledge it would interfere with my manually installed GOG games (ie. their shortcuts would launch Galaxy if it is installed to the system, which is something I DON'T want to do just in order to play Deus Ex or whatever).


EDIT: This actually shows the benefit of GOG, different people with different kinds of desires can have their own way (quite often). People who want it "the Steam way" where their games are listed in one client and they just click on it to download and install it, get it that way. I prefer having standalone installers on my local hard drives and keep them up to date and not having to use an online client to play them, and I get that too (albeit I do use a third-party tool for it, gogrepo).

I can't achieve the same in e.g. Steam (I have no idea of a system which would download all my Steam games in neat installers or even zip packets so that I could install and play them locally), and even in Humble Store I'd have to download all my installers one by one (there was a rumor of a gogrepo-like tool also for Humble Store, but not sure what its status is now).

The only fear I have is can GOG keep doing this, providing two or several different ways to manage and use your GOG games?

Are we seriously doing this again, gog?

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Right i keep forgetting that thing. Miscounted my 0s. If you see that i counted it as about 30 trillion, you'll figure out what i did wrong, and it's horribly embarrassing. XD Ok, so about 300 thousand USD, which seems reasonable. Still, i'd like to know about the in game pricing. Are we looking at 5 bucks a booster pack or something? How often will people be spending in game money on average, at least a reasonable assumption? Give me context. Pretty much. Except, reliable numbers are pretty hard to come by, since it relies alot on self-reporting. So, effectively, we can't say we have reliable numbers. If a project's not doing good and it's old and well invested in, someone will loose their job if it looks bad. Yeah, but then to counter my claim and call bull, pretty much everyone who wants to know who's right between us would have to do the same thing. Going to facebook, redit, and the like, by proportion, is like going to a bunch of different bars, and banks, and garages, and diners, etc. To be fair, i don't go to the forums here to drink something intoxicating that makes me speak my mind regardless of the outcome. But take proportions into consideration, here. Gog's customer base is not a country, and the forums are larger than your average bar. Actually, they don't realistically have that, either. They don't know if the buying stopped because they died, ran out of spending cash, or what not. It doesn't even have to be tied to gog, let alone galaxy, and gog will never know. It's a terrible source of feedback short of "well, we lost customers and have no clue why since they don't post on the forums." And of that, even gog doesn't know. It can't know. So, you have to work with what you have.

EDIT: Found the issue. Mismatched tags. Forgot to put a / in a quote tag. Wow this is rough sometimes.

No idea, since I'm not really playing GWENT. Looking at its shop, each keg of 5 cards is about €1.20, with the keg containing 5 cards, at least one of them guaranteed to be rare, epic or legendary (shop blurb). The 4 cards are random, the 5th card is your choice out of 3 possible ones. From what I recall, you can gain kegs by playing, though no idea if the rate you can get them through normal playing is satisfying or not (guess it depends on how much time you wish to devote, and what cards you're looking for).

And if no one reported it, then the company will lose their ability to get new projects. Or not. Thus why we don't go with self reported numbers but we look for numbers to back those up, or dispel them.

As is prudent. Unless you have reason to explicitly trust someone, you should be looking at their numbers and sources.

Depends on the country and the bar ;) GOG's customer base should be in the couple of millions (estimate based on the reported numbers of day 1 Witcher 3 activations and GWENT players), and the forum regulars are in the few hundreds (with a couple thousands being the recognizable names). But I don't think the forums are a proper sample for the GOG customer base.

You mean "since they didn't give feedback", since the forums are not the only way to provide feedback. But again, we've no idea what information GOG may have that we don't, so it will only be speculation.

If you have 100 posts per day giving feedback (actual feedback, not discussion for the feedback post), while getting 1000 support tickets providing feedback, 300 Facebook messages and 350 Twitter DMs, you do know if the forums are a good chunk or a small chunk of the feedback provided. For us, the forum goers, the forum feedback is the only feedback we see (other than any reports we decide to send their way), but it's us that can't know if the forum is a good chunk of feedback or not. GOG does know how much feedback they get from each channel.

So, you can get a few rich idiots to bump the numbers up. I'd like to hear from a GWENT player at least. Which we can never get when it comes to sales or usage statistics. Precisely. What would you consider a better sample, then? No, legit, from my experience, most users don't give feedback. Just check your average youtube views to lightsaber, which seems to be higher than comment counts. I want to go by the comments section, and you're suggesting we go by the lightsaber. If those are the numbers they're getting. How often do people use support tickets over, say, forums on facebook that they're way more familiar with? Especially given the subject matter, how many people are going to open support tickets (help requests) to make a complaint or compliment? That is inherently the wrong avenue.

Good question. With the data GOG currently has, I'd go with their full feedback, and extrapolate from there. Using one part of it instead of all seems improper.

Lightsaber? You mean the thumbs up/down thingy?
And no, I'd suggest we go by both. If there are 100K views, with 10K thumbs up, 1K thumbs down and 300 of the 400 comments saying it sucks, the negative views of the video is not 75% but closer to 10% (extrapolating from those that gave feedback, 1.3 in 10.4). If the video with 100K views has 10K thumbs up, 300 thumbs down and 1K negative comments, it would still have 1.3K negative views.
That would be ignoring the indifferent views though, so the positive and negative percentages would be much lower.

Feel free to use what numbers you like. I was using those to give an example of how the most visible feedback route could also be the least significant.
Remember, forums are seen as archaic (even if still useful), and Facebook usage seems to be declining as well. And the current official way of giving feedback to GOG is through the support tickets. So it would depend on whether one prefers going through official channels or through convenient ones.

But it's hard to use it all, especially when you have to judge multiple accounts and things like that. At least with the forums, they have controls. So, multiple votes count? Where do you get the idea of using support tickets for feedback? Tht seems strange to me, especially if you want to show support for something. Usually people don't like to go through the "wrong method" for doing something. Support tickets are help requests, not feature feedback mechanisms.

Is it hard? Why? And what kind of control do you suggest they have over the forum?

Depends on how much data you have, and whether you can see if someone has only voted, only commented or both.

It used to be in the support pages, though I can't find it in the new one. Still, when you go to open a ticket, go to "Other Issues" and take a look through the listed problem types. It has a couple of "suggestions" categories, as well as "kudos / positive feedback" in the listed options.

no, i don't personally use galaxy. i like my offline installers. yay!

I rather think its just people with different opinion's having discussions, do you not think you are being a little over the top here ?

Nope, down repping isn't about "discussions", people actually involved in debating aren't usaully the ones doing that. Rep isn't meant to be a "I disagree" button it's meant for downvoting spam post and post that don't add any relevant info to the discussion at hand and upvoting good helpful post. GOG should have removed the rep system long ago as we have asked for countless times because of how bad people abuse it, especially those that use alts.

Not that I really care about cheap internet points, but that doesn't mean this isn't pethetic behavior.

What if Galaxy had a brussels sprout skin?

well, if that were the case id feel obligated to at least keep galaxy installed. man, i'm so hungry....

This again? FFS...

The rest of us are just ignoring the rep system but you're ranting about it, trying to turn this thread into a discussion about it, and generally stressing over it. You should realize that it's not the downvote button that's disrupting the smooth flow of the forum, it's YOU, because you can't cope with a little red mark above one of your posts on a gaming forum.

Lol. I was asked a question? I actually had no intention of coming back to this thread.. xD

I'm not stressing about anything, but please do tell me what I am stressing about. I posted it because these lurkers constantly like downvoting my Galaxy post, so I figured I'd give them something worth downvoting on my way out the door. I don't give a shit about a little red mark, but thanks for the update. :)

So please do carry on with this "smooth flow of the forum" that doesn't actually exist...