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aCyborg: Sanscript makes it sound like you don't need any
Might only be you, because I don't even hint towards that... :)

EDIT: Perhaps, if it's taken out of context...

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clarry: I'd say the Noctua NH-D15 is pretty serious...
Last time I bought one from them it was already applied... well, perhaps some products don't have it. It's been a long time since I bought a 3. party one as the original has gotten really good.
Post edited October 31, 2020 by sanscript
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aCyborg: Sanscript makes it sound like you don't need any
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sanscript: Might only be you, because I don't even hint towards that... :)

EDIT: Perhaps, if it's taken out of context...

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clarry: I'd say the Noctua NH-D15 is pretty serious...
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sanscript: Last time I bought one from them it was already applied... well, perhaps some products don't have it. It's been a long time since I bought a 3. party one as the original has gotten really good.
oh sorry, probably just me.
My mind has been stressed alot cuz school and life so that could be it.
There are some coolers somewhat dificult to mount, including those with brackets to fit various platforms. Some cases make the matter worst not having access behind the CPU to change brackets, making the need to remove the motherboard to insert the bracket.

On the left is a cooler used on a OEM system, it uses a Torx driver but a flat screwdriver can be used as well. Those are very eay to mount (excetp when they have lots of plastic shrouding), just toque the screws and the springs equalize the tension.
It was this precise cooler I used on my old g3258, one of my all time favorite CPU's due the ability to overclock on cheap boards. I still have it around but have no board for use the CPU.

The right one is a stock Intel cooler with thermal interface already applied. When new they are easy to mount on the system but after some time (and several reassemblies) the lock mechanism can warp and get dificult to properly mount.
It's also tricky to know if all the locking pins are properly seated.

No wonder OP had some problem working on them o.o
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Dark_art_: There are some coolers somewhat dificult to mount, including those with brackets to fit various platforms. Some cases make the matter worst not having access behind the CPU to change brackets, making the need to remove the motherboard to insert the bracket.
Usually the small and/or very cheap cases. In the not so distant past, having only one removable side panel was a lot more common. Or even worse (IMO); side panels and top were all attached (especially fiddly for tower cases).
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Dark_art_: There are some coolers somewhat dificult to mount, including those with brackets to fit various platforms. Some cases make the matter worst not having access behind the CPU to change brackets, making the need to remove the motherboard to insert the bracket.

On the left is a cooler used on a OEM system, it uses a Torx driver but a flat screwdriver can be used as well. Those are very eay to mount (excetp when they have lots of plastic shrouding), just toque the screws and the springs equalize the tension.
It was this precise cooler I used on my old g3258, one of my all time favorite CPU's due the ability to overclock on cheap boards. I still have it around but have no board for use the CPU.

The right one is a stock Intel cooler with thermal interface already applied. When new they are easy to mount on the system but after some time (and several reassemblies) the lock mechanism can warp and get dificult to properly mount.
It's also tricky to know if all the locking pins are properly seated.

No wonder OP had some problem working on them o.o
The screw issue was actually with installing the CPU (an Intel Core i5-4670), rather than with the cooler, IIRC.

Also, one question: What makes some motherboards better than others, aside from what ports it has? I'm mainly interested in one with a USB-C port with DisplayPort and Power Delivery, but unfortunately PCPartPicker (which otherwise seems to be a good site) doesn't allow filtering motherboards based on that sort of thing.
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dtgreene: Also, one question: What makes some motherboards better than others, aside from what ports it has?
Price is usually based on features. How I see it, "better" (when comparing the ones with the same feature set) would have to mean better build quality - but I haven't seen many reviews that have in-depth build quality "testing".

In the past, I didn't like Gigabyte motherboards because of their bad BIOS UI (where to find specific settings, etc.).

Sometimes the layout can differ... e.g. where are the m.2 slots located (preferably in (a) place(s) away from other hot components). Or, can you still change RAM in slot 1 & 3 when a large CPU cooler is installed (without removing the cooler first).
Post edited November 01, 2020 by teceem
Perhaps you'll find one in this list:
https://thunderboltlaptop.com/usb-c-motherboards/
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dtgreene: USB-C port with DisplayPort and Power Delivery
Do you have a use case? Why does your desktop need that?
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dtgreene: The screw issue was actually with installing the CPU (an Intel Core i5-4670), rather than with the cooler, IIRC.
I haven't seen a socket needing a tool to instal the cpu on regular desktops. Intel 1150 socket does indeed have a Torx screw but that is just to lock the holder and doesn't need to be removed. Not that it matters now.

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dtgreene: I'm mainly interested in one with a USB-C port with DisplayPort and Power Delivery, but unfortunately PCPartPicker (which otherwise seems to be a good site) doesn't allow filtering motherboards based on that sort of thing.
Good luck finding any info of what kind of implementation the USB-C connector has on regular custom built motherboards.
If they (major brands) can't slap a "15x faster" or a catchy name, probably need to email the company itself.
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dtgreene: Also, one question: What makes some motherboards better than others
Oh, that's quite a big can of worms and is usually related to past experience or personal taste.
While for many people main feature is the power delivery system, a good one needed for high end CPU's, specially overclockig, others care about efficiency rather than "moar powa!".
I find the AMD x570 chipset nothing short of ridiculous for a consumer desktop, while others enjoy the oportunity to add more RGB fans. And nothing wrong with that.
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dtgreene: Also, one question: What makes some motherboards better than others, aside from what ports it has? I'm mainly interested in one with a USB-C port with DisplayPort and Power Delivery, but unfortunately PCPartPicker (which otherwise seems to be a good site) doesn't allow filtering motherboards based on that sort of thing.
Use NewEgg or browse mobo maker sites to find the right model, then use PCPartPicker.
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Dark_art_: I find the AMD x570 chipset nothing short of ridiculous for a consumer desktop, while others enjoy the oportunity to add more RGB fans. And nothing wrong with that.
Motherboard fan revival, what everybody was waiting for!
By the way, I'm currently eyeing the AMD Ryzen 5 3400G as my CPU. Is it suitable for my needs, and is it good for the price? (I note that this CPU with integrated graphics is cheaper than the excessively high prices that dedicated GPUs seem to go for.)

Also, how does it compare to the Intel i5-4670, which is the CPU I have now, both in terms of performance (when properly cooled) and power consumption/heat?
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dtgreene: Also, how does it compare to the Intel i5-4670, which is the CPU I have now, both in terms of performance (when properly cooled) and power consumption/heat?
It's a slight increase in performance and probably a modest reduction in power (84W vs 65W TDP). It should include a decent cooler (wraith spire).

I can't comment on graphics performance.
Post edited November 01, 2020 by clarry
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dtgreene: By the way, I'm currently eyeing the AMD Ryzen 5 3400G as my CPU. Is it suitable for my needs, and is it good for the price? (I note that this CPU with integrated graphics is cheaper than the excessively high prices that dedicated GPUs seem to go for.)

Also, how does it compare to the Intel i5-4670, which is the CPU I have now, both in terms of performance (when properly cooled) and power consumption/heat?
My opinion is likely to be a bit unusual these days. First and foremost though, after a certain point I find CPU's don't really make that big of a difference on gaming. As long as you aren't using a CPU that has been hobbled in some way (ie low power consumption models) they'll do the job. Case in point, I did an upgrade on my computer last year. Upgrading my Video card and Hard Drive's. My 2012 Intel i5-3750K is still in my system and has no problem keeping up with the latest games in 1920x1080 as they rely more on the video card. (Romancing SaGa looks great in Full HD in PCSX2, btw)

AMD in general has better prices and better multi-thread performance, which is great if your running multi-threaded programs. Funnily enough, not all games make use of multiple threads. Many older ones in particular just use a single thread and in that circumstance Intel tends to do better. It also USED to be that most programs were created on Intel CPU's and, in my experience when I worked in a computer shop in the 2000s, that tended to mean that Intel's had a leg up on stability. This is likely no longer the case, however.

If you haven't already read it, Tom's Hardware has a good article on the current differences between Intel and AMD https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd-vs-intel-cpus They also specifically mention the AMD CPU you're interested in as being great (for the price) if you don't want to go the discrete graphic card route.
Post edited November 01, 2020 by crimson_twilight
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dtgreene: By the way, I'm currently eyeing the AMD Ryzen 5 3400G as my CPU. Is it suitable for my needs, and is it good for the price? (I note that this CPU with integrated graphics is cheaper than the excessively high prices that dedicated GPUs seem to go for.)

Also, how does it compare to the Intel i5-4670, which is the CPU I have now, both in terms of performance (when properly cooled) and power consumption/heat?
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crimson_twilight: My opinion is likely to be a bit unusual these days. First and foremost though, after a certain point I find CPU's don't really make that big of a difference on gaming. As long as you aren't using a CPU that has been hobbled in some way (ie low power consumption models) they'll do the job. Case in point, I did an upgrade on my computer last year. Upgrading my Video card and Hard Drive's. My 2012 Intel i5-3750K is still in my system and has no problem keeping up with the latest games in 1920x1080 as they rely more on the video card.

AMD in general has better prices and better multi-thread performance, which is great if your running multi-threaded programs. Funnily enough, not all games make use of multiple threads. Many older ones in particular just use a single thread and in that circumstance Intel tends to do better. It also USED to be that most programs were created on Intel CPU's and, in my experience when I worked in a computer shop in the 2000s, that tended to mean that Intel's had a leg up on stability. This is likely no longer the case, however.

If you haven't already read it, Tom's Hardware has a good article on the current differences between Intel and AMD https://www.tomshardware.com/features/amd-vs-intel-cpus They also specifically mention the AMD CPU you're interested in as being great (for the price) if you don't want to go the discrete graphic card route.
One other thing to point out:
* Gaming is not the only planned use for this computer. I may decide to compile custom Linux kernels, or even run buildroot. These tasks, in particular, benefit from more powerful CPUs and can be parallelized. (In particular, a large C/C++ program will consists of a large number of source code files, each of which is compiled separately (and can be done in parallel), then the result is linked together to form one final binary.) In another thread, I asked about the time to compile Chromium, and that is one task where a more powerful system benefits tremendously from a more powerful CPU.

Also, low power consumption models definitely have their uses. My laptop has such a CPU, and it actually does have some nice traits:
* Since it uses low power, I can get good battery life without the system needing a heavy battery.
* It also doesn't dissipate much heat, allowing the computer to stay at a reasonable temperature without a fan. Combine this with solid state storage, and you now have a computer with no moving parts.
* If you're into the sort of games I'm into, you can find plenty of games that run fine on them. Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark, for example, runs spectacularly well. Also, there's the whole back catalog of games, including the likes of Wasteland 1: The Original Classic and Dragon Wars, that play just fine on the computer.
* If you'll notice, mobile phones have low power consumption CPUs and solid state storage, so devices with those traits definitely have their use.

With that said, I am aiming for something more powerful than that for my new computer.